Newsweek: The Martyr Factory: Libyan Town Became Pipeline For Suicide Bombers In Iraq

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Newsweek   |  Kevin Peraino   |   April 20, 2008 11:03 AM


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Even before he vanished, Abd Al-Salam Bin-Ali was an easy young man to miss. Pale, lanky and blind in one eye, the unobtrusive 20-year-old didn't leave much of an impression in Darnah, his hometown in eastern Libya. In school he had studied to become a veterinarian, but after graduation he couldn't find a job. "The economic situation was terrible," recalls his older brother, Abd al-Hamid. "He was looking for work every day." Sometimes Abd al-Salam would set up a folding table in Darnah's Old City and hawk cheap perfumes.

Unmarried, with few prospects, he still lived with his mother. At home, for distraction, he would sprawl in front of the family television and watch "Lion of the Desert," the 1981 epic of Libyan resistance fighters starring Anthony Quinn. Abd al-Salam had seen it over and over. As the war in Iraq dragged on, he also tuned in to Al-Jazeera. Nobody in the family had supported the American invasion, but Abd al-Salam was particularly affected by the bloody images he saw on the Arabic cable news channel. He sometimes teased his mother that he wanted to run away to fight the Americans. Before she could protest too much, he always backed down. "No, no, no--don't worry, Mom," he would say with a laugh. "I'll get married instead." His older brother wasn't so confident. "I was sure he would go," Abd al-Hamid recalls. "He was always talking about it." Abd al-Salam was also growing more devout. According to his brother, he spent most of his time at the mosque.

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Another sympathetic story from a branch of Al Jazeera. They would never think that it is Lybia's inferior form of government that leads to this outcome. Or heaven forbid, personal responsibilty plays a part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 04/21/2008

You want personal responsibility from the Libians? Okay, that's your wish list. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing some collective responsibility from Americans! You do realize that your current administration has war criminals in it, don't you? When are they going to be held responsible for an illegal invasion, torture and rendition?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 04/21/2008

Another sympathetic story from a branch of Al Jazeera. They would never think that it is Lybia's inferior form of government that leads to this outcome. Or heaven forbid, personal responsibilty plays a part

Substtute Al Jazeera with Fox news and Libya with" USA's incompetent government" and your statement makes about the same sense.

Typical blunt- headed I don't care about the rest of the world far-right thinking. Everything is connected, you just suck at connect the dots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 04/21/2008

Great article. Shows there is still shreads of hopes in humanity when young selfless people respond to calls to fight injustice and tyranny (poorly disguised as democracy). These young men are the true heros and would have responded the same way as others included christians or jews whenever their cultures and communities were in danger. From the typically condescending, ignorant and some very naive comments here, I conclude that bravery , courage and universal sense of justice is becoming a thing of the paste in the west. Sad indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 04/21/2008

Are they the real hero's when the blow up innocent Iraqi's? I'm sure the Iraqi people would think different. You have a real sick view of hero's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/21/2008

It's not a civil war, when Syria is sending insurgents into Iraq to murder innocent women and children.

You dipshit liberals would rather blame Bush, than see the evil elephant in the room... "radical islam.

Good luck with your appeasement strategies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 04/21/2008

Why not blame Bush? Isn't he the one that invited all the foreign terrorists into Iraq with his "bring it on" speech? Seems to me if anyone is to blame it's Bush!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/21/2008

Iraq and the GWOT are about as effective as throwing sand into the ocean. Only trouble is, we're paying for that sand, and the son of a beaches throwing it have no clue what they are doing. Blaming your fellow countrymen for the cowardice of Congress and wanting change is cowardice itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 04/21/2008

And your solution would be? Why aren't you over there kickin' some big A-rab booty or sending your children if you are too old?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 04/21/2008

If we were not in Iraq the Libyan would not have gone through Syria to blow himself up.
What part of that don't you understand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 04/21/2008


Too bad our CIA was too busy in Iraq to understand this & not acting proactively.

Obviously a real rabble rouser was talking near there. Where's our Intelligence?

Stuck in a quagmire, holding back a civil war and just trying to make it back home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 04/20/2008

The CIA was too busy trying to convince Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld that Ahmad Chalabi was a self-serving liar, and his Iraqi National Congress was nothing more than a front for a consortium of corrupt businessmen (that turned out to include the Bush family, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., etc.).
What a kick in the head!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/20/2008


There must be some powerful words being put together in that madrases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 04/20/2008

Put yourself in another's situation, a world power acting the bully on the street is acting with piety and righteousness, albeit another religion, attacking a sovereign nation without provocation other than a proponderous of a pack of lies that are now proven to be the lies they always were. Meanwhile you live in abstract poverty while the belligerents friend is supported with biased support, Israel. Now if it were you, would you throw flowers upon the footsteps of the aggressor, Or would you in fact fight the aggressor until you are killed, or would you be the kamikaze pilot of years gone by?

I distinctly remember Johnson and Nixon and that other lying war yet Americans accepted all while acting as if God gave them a mandate to be the world's policemen;. Sorry the religious hypocritical leaders and followers of America haven't changed one iota in all these years. We are the fourth Reich and no amount of patriotism nor Nationalism will make us the chosen. We are now only the belligerents on the world stage and with leaders that grow fatter on the backs of followers. Welcome to today's America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/20/2008

Is it because these people have been living in barren wastelands that they cannot embrace their fellow man? Perhaps if they knew something other than sand and dust and hatred and religious fanaticism they would value life more. Does any of them care about our Earth? On this, Earth day, do they know or care about life at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/20/2008

Ask the deeply religious man with the bad temper who comes to us from one of the hottest deserts in the world: John Sidney McCain III.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 04/21/2008

This is quite possibly the most idiotic post I've read in weeks, julieeilug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 04/20/2008

George W Bush has wantonly and purposely unleashed a series of destructive events that has to date directly led to the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents (btw, that means people who were minding their own business and raising their families), and could easily spiral exponentially worse than that (ala the surge of anti-American jihadists).

To you who voted for this abhorrent tyrant, do you still fancy having a beer with him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/20/2008

So much for BushCo touting it's breakthrough "accord" with Libya.

This was something that the Bush Administration not only bragged about, but trumpeted repeatedly, to counter the disastrous reality of its foreign policy (elections of hardline Hamas in Palestine, Ahmadinejad in Iran, nukes in N. Korea, etc.) The Bush Administration specifically went on the offensive mentioning the so-called agreement with Khaddafi, where Libya agreed to give up its WMD program.

OK, so they have no WMDs, but they are exporting terrorist suicide bombers to Iraq who are killing Americans...

More unreality from the Bush Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/20/2008

And how about Tony Blair's "arms for oil" deal he inked with Gaddafi on May 28th of last year?
Not that you'd have found mention of it in either the American or British MSM when it transpired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/20/2008

Poverty intertwined with nationalistic fervor and youthful idealism could be the impetus for these young men to join a jihad and even volunteer as a suicide bomber.

They may see it as an escape from the humiliation of having no prospects for the future- no job, no money, no home, no wife, no children. Poverty takes away their self respect and pride; making them invisible. As a fighter or suicide bomber they now have an identity, a purpose. It gives them a status they never had before. Add to this a powerful enemy, the United States, that creates a focal point for their rage and self-hate, and you have the makings of a jihadist, with the culture of their religion and idealism as the finishing touches.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/20/2008

The steadfast refusal to abide by the Powell Doctrine - stated objectives, clear mission, overwhelming force and exit strategy - has been the gift that keeps on giving to the neo-conman catastrophe which has been our Iraq policy from the beginning. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after bloody fucking year, Bush continues to make the same mistake over and over and over again. As long as we fail to secure the borders of Iraq, we can continue to blame anyone and everyone but ourselves for the abject and utter failure which is our occupation.

Outside agitators, foreign weapons and foreign-born suicide bombers can infiltrate Iraq's borders virtually at will - and with no end in sight.

No matter how many mortars, rockets, RPGs, IEDs or sniper rifles find their way into Iraq, Bush refuses to get the message.

No matter how much death, destruction and displacement Iraqis suffer, Bush refuses to learn the lesson.

No matter what it costs nor how many US servicemen are injured or killed, Bush refuses to accept responsibility, live in the real world, and correct his mistakes.

And every day that passes, we are reminded of that strategic error - because even after five years, it has never been put right.

What will it take?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 04/20/2008

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You speak so passionately about a specific path to success in Iraq... and I can't remember when you've even brought this up before.

I agree with what you say... the borders are a problem, obviously.

Are you advocating for a plan of action, or just pointing out another blunder?

Them martyrs sure make this whole thing a lot uglier. A small amount of people effictively shaping U.S. public perception. It only takes ONE martyr to kill a lot of civilians in a marketplace, and THOUSANDS of readers of HuffPo are taking notice, some of them even sarcasticly commenting "The surge is working".

Think of how many more people would be supporting democracy in Iraq if handfuls of martyrs didn't kill so many innocent people in Iraq.

Iran is actively supporting anti-democracy forces in Iraq, and that's not ugly, but messy. Messy, messy, messy. Them Russians are supportin' them Iranians in a proxy war, just like the U.S. supported the jihadists against the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan back in the day.

If those people would mind their own business (the foreign martyr's and the Iranians), we could get back to minding our own business.

And then fix this country.

p.s. Nuclear power plants, ANWAR and Gulf drilling, solar and wind, and hydrogen fuel cells will help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/20/2008

The key to the Powell doctrine is exit strategy. If we ever had any justification for invading Iraq in the first place - and thus far we've seen none - then it should have been over years ago.

In 1999 our own Pentagon engaged in war gaming proposing an invasion AND OCCUPATION of Iraq. The result? With a 450,000 man army, it was concluded that we couldn't prevent the entire country from degenerating into chaos. CHAOS - was the exact word used and that was with a military presence 3 times what we've ever had. The number was based on expectations of protecting the ministries, the infrastructure, the weapons stashes AND SEALING THE BORDERS. Even then, there was no guarantee that the factions within Iraq would be prevented from deteriorating into civil war. But at least the effects of outside influence might have been mitigated somewhat.

We are exactly where we were predicted to be by people who knew better - and their words were not heeded. Instead, we got a Secretary of War who told us we go to war with the army we have, not the one we'd like to have.

We should leave Iraq - completely and immediately. There's nothing to be gained by staying. No length of unwanted occupation can undo the last 5 years of failure.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/20/2008

Rumsfeld was the worst. A real boob. Bush should have fired him after the first year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/20/2008

Securing the borders of Iraq is one thing that should be done.

Organising the reconstruction is another thing that should be done : If Iraqi Dad was working all day long on a construction site, if Iraqi kids were all day long at school, and if Iraqi Mom had plenty of food to cook and plenty soap to wash her nice home, then Iraqi family would be less... bitter.

Somehow, the concrete for Iraqi Dad, the teacher's salary for Iraqi kids, the food and nice home for Iraqi Mom, need to be paid for.

Smelly, Nyland, do you agree with a 200 % increase in your taxes to pay for this ?

Insurgents think you don't. Hence they fight to kick you out and grab the oil that might help their religious group.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/20/2008

"Securing the borders of Iraq is one thing that should be done."

No. Leaving Iraq is one thing that should be done. It is impossible to secure the border and would be, at best, very difficult even if we had a million boots on the ground. Look at the size of the country.

And no, the cost to Iraq has already been far too high. It will be more than two trillion dollars and perhaps as much as three trillion. And this, the conflict that was supposed to cost us 50 billion - and pay for itself with Iraqi oil.

As for the insurgents, they have every right to their own oil, and we have no right whatsoever.

We shouldn't be asked to pay so much as a single penny more for Iraq. The only thing we owe the Iraqis is to have the respect and courtesy to leave what's left of their country and let them sort it out themselves.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 04/20/2008

"Insurgents think you don't. Hence they fight to kick you out and grab the oil that might help their religious group."

An interesting turn of phrase. How about insurgent groups fight to kick us out and grab the oil that they have every right to control and to which we have none! ??

That would be another way to phrase that - wouldn't it?

We have already overpaid for our Iraq catastrophe many times over. The lingering aftermath of the neo-conman's folly will continue to cost us well beyond 2 trillion dollars - and this the war the Bush administration told congress might cost 50 billion, and Wolfowitz speculated Iraq's oil would pay the tab.

We are not doubling down on Bush's bad bet, because that would imply that there can still be a payoff to make up for the loss. In this case, the "bank" can never cover our bet.

Remaining in Iraq another day is folly. Another week is folly times 7. Another year - folly times 365. We've already far exceeded folly times 1,500.

It's time to leave. It's past time.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/20/2008

I don't want to pay another dime for it, but I probably will have to.

I want the "world" to step in and do something. Too many are sitting back and watching the U.S. fight a proxy war with Iran and Russia, and the Iraqi people are suffering because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/20/2008

"Poverty is the absence of all human rights. The frustrations, hostility and anger generated by abject poverty cannot sustain peace in any society. For building stable peace, we must find ways to provide opportunities for people to live decent lives. The creation of opportunities for the majority of the people"the poor"is at the heart of the work that we have dedicated ourselves during the past thirty years." Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank Founder, Nobel Prize Laureate

In recent weeks, food riots have also erupted in Haiti, Niger, Senegal, Cameroon and Burkina Faso. Protests have also flared in Morocco, Mauritania, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Mexico and Yemen. In most of West Africa, the price of food has risen by 50 percent"in Sierra Leone, 300 percent. The World Food Program has issued a rare $500 million emergency appeal to deal with the growing crisis.- DN

As long as there is desperation there will be global instability in the form of riots, suicide bombing, racism, war , crime, and brutality. The fundamental problem is one of economics for all the ills we face: disease, Islamo-fascism, gang violence etc...we cannot have peace without addressing the basic needs of a world population that lives on 2 dollars a day. It's unconscionable that we refuse to connect the dots.From the storming of the Bastille to the 20th c. Cuban revolution hungry and impoverished masses foments instability and unrest. Providing opportunities for the poor is the only way to combat radical and dangerous ideology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 04/20/2008

The money spent to fund 10 days of the Iraq war would pay for the food needed by the poorest ones this year.

We as human nations make nice choices when spending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/20/2008

Young, chronically unemployed and still living with his mother.

Does this sound familiar?

If it doesn't now, it soon will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/20/2008

If my country was illigally invaded and occupied, i would consider the same road.

I dont blame these people one bit. They do what they have to, to get rid of the occupying forces of evil who are there for one reason only... OIL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/20/2008

But none of these fools were Iraqi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 04/20/2008

None of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi either. If the sides were reversed we might be inclined to call them heros but we can't see their point and think they are fools. The perspective changes but the reality doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 04/20/2008

No suicide bombers are fools, they mostly target civilians. So they are are really sick fucking fools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/20/2008

The perspective changes but the reality doesn't.

That may be the single truest sentence ever to appear on the HP.

Bottom line for these kids is they live in a reality so dreary and dead-ended about the only choice they've go this to go out with a bang instead of living in a dwindling whimper.

If the US had taken all the money they've spent on armaments and used it instead through diplomatic and financial pressure on the Arab League to take care of their own, would these ten guys be alive, working and married today?

These kids were babies when Reagan and OPEC started making the world a better place for Big Oil.
All petroleum billions have done is take the world back a century to the tiny fractional percentage of billionaires living off the suffering of
millions.

Did you know that the world's richest man owns over 6% of Mexico's wealth?
He alone could fund the social services system for Mexico that linstead comes out of American taxes.
The Arabs do the same for America bur we provide the war money at the pump.
We are the only country in history to be paying fo both sides in a war.
We are paying to kill our own kids.

Why are we paying to hurt everyone, including ourselves, instead of finding constructive solutions?

gala

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/20/2008
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