McCain opposes equal pay bill in Senate

LIBBY QUAID | April 23, 2008 10:57 PM EST | AP

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Lisa Workman, of Inez, Ky, greets Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., left, after a news conference outside the Old Martin County Courthouse, Wednesday, April 23, 2008, in Inez, Kentucky during his "It's Time for Action" campaign tour. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

NEW ORLEANS — Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits.

Senate Republicans killed the bill Wednesday night on a 56-42 vote that denied the measure the 60 votes needed to advance it to full debate and a vote. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had delayed the vote to give McCain's Democratic rivals, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, time to return to Washington to support the measure, which would make it easier for women to sue their employers for pay discrimination.

McCain skipped the vote to campaign in New Orleans.

"I am all in favor of pay equity for women, but this kind of legislation, as is typical of what's being proposed by my friends on the other side of the aisle, opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems," the expected GOP presidential nominee told reporters. "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system."

The bill sought to counteract a Supreme Court decision limiting how long workers can wait before suing for pay discrimination.

It is named for Lilly Ledbetter, a supervisor at the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co.'s plant in Gadsden, Ala., who sued for pay discrimination just before retiring after a 19-year career there. By the time she retired, Ledbetter made $6,500 less than the lowest-paid male supervisor and claimed earlier decisions by supervisors kept her from making more.

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 last year to throw out her complaint, saying she had waited too long to sue.

Democrats criticized McCain for opposing the bill.

"Senator McCain has yet again fallen in line with President Bush while middle-class families are falling by the wayside," Clinton said in a statement following the vote. "Women are earning less, but Senator McCain is offering more of the same."

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney said: "At a time when American families are struggling to keep their homes and jobs while paying more for everything from gasoline to groceries, how on Earth would anyone who thinks they can lead our country also think it's acceptable to oppose equal pay for America's mothers, wives and daughters?"

McCain stated his opposition to the bill as he campaigned in rural eastern Kentucky, where poverty is worse among women than men. The Arizona senator said he was familiar with the disparity but that there are better ways to help women find better paying jobs.

"They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else," McCain said. "And it's hard for them to leave their families when they don't have somebody to take care of them.

"It's a vicious cycle that's affecting women, particularly in a part of the country like this, where mining is the mainstay; traditionally, women have not gone into that line of work, to say the least," he said.

McCain chose to visit the tiny hamlet of Inez, Ky., because it is where President Lyndon B. Johnson declared war on poverty. But McCain said Johnson's poverty programs had failed.

"I wouldn't be back here today if government had fulfilled the promise that Lyndon Johnson made 44 years ago," he said.

In recent weeks, McCain has proposed a series of tax breaks for corporations, doubling the dependent child tax exemption, government-backed refinancing for struggling homeowners and a summer holiday from gas taxes. He proposed another new program Wednesday: a tax write-off for companies that provide high-speed Internet access for underserved, low-income communities.


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Is anyone suprised that McCain would oppose this bill? He's a republican. The only time they want want equal is when past disenfranchisement has been addressed and then claim reverse discrimination.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 04/27/2008

This guy doesn't want anyone to have it real good, hey they just might might live above the welfare line! Like this yahoo would know anything about this, NOT!!!! He lives off this wife and her money.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/27/2008

Well, ya know, Geritol is mighty expensive these days.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/27/2008

Oops, that should be:

Flaccid McCain: He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It. You. F-ing. C-nt.

Gotta stay on message for Johnny-boy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 04/27/2008

"...proposed a series of tax breaks for corporations..."

OH YEAH. That worked SO f-ing well the first time. Flaccid McCain: He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 04/27/2008

Flaccid McCain greets a hefty McCainiac, who seems more likely to devour him whole than vote for him.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/27/2008

GROSS! Look at that flaccid McCain in the picture. Nasty!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/27/2008

I will say this: McCain DOES talk straight. Straight stupid.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 04/27/2008

He spent 5 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton and refuses to give the Iraq Vets any sort of benefits beyond the immediate medical needs. Once they're out of the hospital, screw 'em.

Now, it's women. I know it's cliche, but let the men do the women's work for their pay and see what happens. I was once told that the men have families to raise and being a single mom didn't qualify as raising a family. It didn't matter that none of my male counterparts were single...they might not be some day and that made the difference.

Any other ideas, gentlemen?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 04/25/2008

And screw blacks in New Orleans too, just give him his photo op, but he voted against the $$ to help. He's nothing if not consistent--tells everyone to drop dead but vote for him 'cause he's a *straight talker* LOL

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 04/26/2008

The ironic thing is that women acquire the majority of college degrees, not men.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 04/25/2008

Equally as despicable as McCains lack of support for this bill... is his assertion towards the end of the post that he was appearing in Inez because of the failure of LBJs "War on poverty"....

("I wouldn't be back here today if government had fulfilled the promise that Lyndon Johnson made 44 years ago,").....

This is typical McCain pandering....

1) It is exactly those type of government programs that he opposes and wants to "scrub" from the national budget

2) He fails to make the connection (or perhaps is not enough of a student of history to know) that LBJs "War on poverty" failed as a direct result of the escalation and prolongation of the Vietnam War.... The funds required to run the War on Poverty, and all of the programs set up by Sargent Shriver to fight that War were subsequently redirected to Vietnam and proved to be ultimately responsible for the failure to effectively combat poverty in this country.... the most absurd aspect of his unabashed pandering is that by making these statements in an effort to score political points with economically challenged Americans, he fails to see any correlation between our current social or economic problems (such as poverty or the recession) as having anything to do with the escalation or prolongation of the War in Iraq.

Remind me, what is that they say about people who don't know their history?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 04/25/2008

And people think that Obama has no chance at beating McCain? McCain's stubborness is going to destroy him once the media begins to focus attention on him after the Democratic primaries. He does realize that more women vote than men, doesn't he?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 04/25/2008

Negative Ghost Rider, I am just as educated AND trained as my male counterparts but somehow they receive more. That IS a fact. Males just dont get it nor do the really care.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 04/24/2008

In all my 40 years in the work world, I've never seen a man admit to getting the "penis bonus" that accounts for the pay differential between men and women doing the same kind of work. Even male nurses often get higher pay than their female colleagues.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 04/25/2008

Do you think such broad generalizations help your argument?

You don't know me, but I can assure you that I don't fall into that vast definition you have heaped upon myself and other men that have always advocated equal pay for equal work.

I "get it" , and I care, and your sweeping statement is asinine.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 04/24/2008

it is amazing how many women are stupid republicans--without courage or confidence they just follow the republican men--what pathetic creatures they are!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 04/24/2008

FINALLY, someone has hit the nail on the head!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 04/25/2008

Equal pay for equal is fine with me... now tell those women I work with to put down the magazine and start sweating... lifting a heavy box would be a good start. Yes, plenty of women are hard workers and do their share. I just don't work with any.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 04/24/2008

Obviosly you do not get it, pretty much the reason for this bill, dumb ass comments such as yours keeps women at least 20 percent behind men even if they are doing the same job. This ain't about being macho and being able to lift your own weight in shit, obviously that is what it means to you. I guess you motto is, can't piss standing up don't rate the pay. Kind of Like ole John there doing the repblican thing protecting big business, pissing on the rest of us and telling us its rain.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 04/24/2008

Dont be a dick

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 04/24/2008

Actually the bill said "equal pay for EQUAL work" but of course no chauvinist likes that idea. Frankly I am a nurse and women who are nurses do their own heavy lifting and thank God, historically our profession has been dominated with women, when men were welcomed into the fold, guess what, they got equal pay. I think most women can do anything their job description requires of them or they would probably not have been hired. Your comment is sounding very chauvenist to me, sir.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/24/2008

Is lifting heavy boxes part of their job description?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 04/24/2008

In general people who lift heavy boxes get paid less, in case you hadn't noticed.

However most nurses on the floor, probaly lift several thousand pounds a day in unwieldy human form , a lot more difficult than a box, I might add!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 04/25/2008

and I bet you work with a few men who should put down the magazines too?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 04/24/2008

Since the majority of the US Supreme Count consists of Reichwing Creeps, one naturally wouldn't expect appreciation of the obvious-to-any-actual-human-being reasons why this victim of chronic, purposeful discrimination waited until the cusp of retirement to sue...

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"The Supreme Court voted 5-4 last year to throw out her complaint, saying she had waited too long to sue."

Perpetual Reichwing Gangsterism, markedly accelerated under all ReThugLieCon Presnits since dangerous kook Ronnie, is the number one reason for institutionalized poverty, illiteracy and the diminuation of all non-Nazi Americans ====>

"McCain chose to visit the tiny hamlet of Inez, Ky., because it is where President Lyndon B. Johnson declared war on poverty. But McCain said Johnson's poverty programs had failed."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 04/24/2008

What is really amazing is the fact that he thinks the people are so stupid they will vote for him anyway. On second thought, maybe he is right.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 04/24/2008

Time for Old John to park the bus.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 04/24/2008

Should Katie Couric have her pay decreased since she makes WAY more than most male anchors? Should all women make the same as all men REGARDLESS of performance, length of time on the job, etc.? You should all be HAPPY this didn't pass. Don't get me wrong. I am all for equal pay with ALL considerations being equal. But legislation will not fix that. It is not the job of Congress to determine if employees A was doing the same exact work, had the same attendance, put in the same hours, had the same work performance, had the same attitude, had the same work experience, had the same education,etc. as employee B. That is determined by the employer. Any one can say "well he is a manager and so am I, so I deserve the same pay". It doesn't work like that. I worked in a factory for over five years and everyone got the same pay regardless of what job they did. Was it fair for those that had backbreaking jobs to be paid the same as those that had easy jobs? Some of you people really need to wake up and stop thinking of everything in the terms of " democrat good" and "republican bad". Regardless of the rules of the senate, it still is on the record that Harry Reid voted against it. So let's hear all the Harry Reid name calling.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 04/24/2008

You are confusing the issue. This woman had the very same evaluations as her male counterparts but they did not give her equal raises. male counterparts, no matter the equal scoring on her objective evaluation. I worked for a group in East Texas who got caught in this same situation,. The company gave ALL white people raises and denied raises for their black employees with the same evaluation score. This was done on the issue of race. That company suffered huge fines, was actually administered by the court until they proved they could be trusted to treat employees equally based on merit. To blur the issue with these red herrings is the work of folks like McCain. He feels it is the right of employers to treat employees in any disgusting manner they please. Unfortunately, this court loaded by this Bushie Administration has forgotten the "equal protection" clause of our Constitution even though the far right constantly yammers about following the Constitution. They are actually in favor of situational compliance with that great document, our Constitution.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 04/24/2008

I am not denying that happens. Actually I am positive that it does. What I am saying is that there are already laws in place for that and the court system is already in place to hear those particular cases. The job of congress is not to enforce laws but to make laws. It is the job of the courts to enforce laws. What you are asking for is ALREADY law. In fact there are SEVERAL laws. There is the Equal Pay Act of 1963. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967. And finally, Title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. This idea that we need more laws to enforce the laws we already have is ridiculous. McCain was right in being against this bill. It is UNNECESSARY.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 04/25/2008

Legislation is where it starts, courtrooms are where it's enforced. Are you really saying that we should leave the issue of equal pay up to corporations... or are we a country that evolves, recognizes inequities and makes it a level playing field by law? Are you really saying that companies can be trusted to pay people equally based on performance? We need the laws in place so we have the structure for enforcement. Your factory job sounds just... odd. I've never heard of a company where the white collars earned the same as the blue collars and the unskilled got paid the same as the veteran workers. Did you have profit sharing? Were there no time-in raises? Were there no incentive raises? And if not... how did they keep their workers... outside of economic need on the part of the employees? Did you leave because their wage system was terrible and inequitable? And don't you think that you would of PREFERRED a better system with a better wage structure? And who would provide that... the factory? On it's own, or by force with laws that protect the workers?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 04/24/2008

I'm not saying that the corporation has the final say. The courts do. And laws are already in place to prevent these problems. What I am saying is that I think the corporations know better than Congress does. Democratic congressmen are NOT concerned with "equal pay for equal work". They are just concerned with "equal pay". I say let the the courts apply the laws that are ALREADY in place to prevent this discrimination. There is no need for a new law. This is just a Democrat ploy to make Republicans look bad and to court women voters.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 04/25/2008

Equal pay is up to the workers. If you don't like how the company is treating you; get another job. People need to stand up for themselves. People need to stop using the government as their crutch.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/24/2008

That is so ignorant it hurts. It's only myopic selfish people who already benefit from the status quo that say stuff like this, while the people who really suffer rarely have the time... the "privilege"... to fight for their own rights. The rich and powerful in this country only occasionally see their position as a place from which to lever good for the common person. Our leaders are in the back pocket of corporations, who benefit directly from their friends in high positions. And you're blaming the workers for not having equal pay and saying that our demands on OUR government are a crutch? Damn! Where did YOU go to school? Did you ditch ALL your history classes, and go right to some white collar position saved by your Daddy? What sort of person says something this ignorant and just plain cold-hearted? Only someone who has never experienced any negative experience on the job and who has no empathy for those who have. You need some schoolin, nemo.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 04/25/2008

"People need to stop using the government as their crutch."

On the flip side, NemoMIL, the same could be said for companies; generally it takes some sort of government mandated tax break for them to do the right thing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 04/24/2008

Oh I get it so if you employer tells you Dude go walk in to that freezer and sort through 2000 lbs of beef with no cold weather gear, 4 hours later you come out with frostbite. The answer? find a new job. Ok so lets say this is the only emplyer for 50 miles around now what skippy? You gotta eat. Your answer to find another job is plain BS and you know it. Since when did we become a country of lawlessness that companies can do what the hell they want to anyway they want too? You say governemtn has no business in business then I say lets not have any government at all if they cannot REGULATE how business operate we might as well be like any other third world country.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 04/24/2008