Black-Issues Group: Price To Pay If Clinton Wins Through Superdelegates

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First Posted: 05- 2-08 08:00 AM   |   Updated: 05-10-08 05:12 AM

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One of the nation's largest Black American grassroots advocacy organizations is drawing a line in the sand for Democratic leadership: if Hillary Clinton is awarded the nomination by overturning the pledged delegate count there will be a political price to pay.

Color of Change, which has a reach of more than 400,000 people, is organizing a petition campaign to persuade superdelegates and congressional leaders that a Clinton win through the hands of party insiders would "disenfranchise millions" and constitute "a shocking attack on voting rights and democracy."

"Following this course," the letter reads, "would give your seal of approval to an 'electability' strategy executed by stoking race-based fear and division among voters. We expect that from the Republicans; we fight them on it every year. But now the leadership of the Democratic party is poised to cosign this strategy of division and disenfranchisement. This could be the worst mistake the Party has ever made, yet it's being talked about as a legitimate way for this campaign to end.

"The voters who have come out in record numbers to participate in the Democratic Party won't allow this to happen, and as the most visible leaders of the Party, you must reject the idea that the nomination can be won with a strategy that preys on racism, sows division, and disenfranchises millions of voters."

The letter campaign -- which appears to be the first organized effort to influence superdelegates on the part of an African-American-based group -- is designed to create a sense of political consternation among those undecided insiders considering bucking the pledged delegate tally. Superdelegates are, by definition, allowed to cast their votes by any metric they deem fit, whether it be the popular vote, elected delegate totals, or the perception of electability. Several party officials, however, have warned that the pledged delegate total should be preeminent in their decision making process.

Previous Color of Change petitions have had their effects. In response to the Jena Six scandal, the group generated responses from more than 300,000 members, roughly the equivalent of all voters in the New Hampshire Democratic primary.

In this instance, they may have more political persuasion. The campaign plays off of an already existing concern within the party that a Clinton primary victory could leave the African-American community deeply distraught and less willing to offer its general election support.

On Thursday, McClatchy reported, "Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November."

Officials with Color of Change said their concerns were spurred by comments by DNC Chairman Howard Dean that the Democratic primary was "essentially a tie," as well as the "tone" and "strategy" of the Clinton campaign.

"Ideally what needs to happen is that this concept of there being a possibility of a Clinton win without disenfranchising people needs to stop," said the organization's communications director, Mervyn Marcano. "We want to let [superdelegates] know that people are watching and that folks are pretty upset about this. There is a false perception based on how people are jiggling the numbers that Clinton can win... and among black voters this will be problematic."

Color of Change's petition drive will direct "open letters" to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and superdelegates.

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This is another Hillary supporter who will vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination. I have been a lifelong Democrat, but I won't be sorry to see a McCain victory in November rather than empty-suit, empty-rhetoric Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/03/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 105 fans permalink

Said it one year ago racist America is not about to put a black man into the white house. Obama captured the American mood of a need for change whereas Hillary went with the experience angle. Now Americans have found an excuse not to vote for a black man. His preacher who actually told Americans what they needed to hear but we Americans would rather play the good guys victim role.

Any nation that calls their soldiers war heroes for fighting in illegal wars based on lies and fear mongering is a nation based in imperialism. John mc Cain would have bombed every man woman and child in Vietnam to win that war, as he wants to gain the respect of his relatives. Sad day in America.

mr one hundred years in iraq for oil guy may just appeal to many americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/03/2008
- Kally I'm a Fan of Kally 10 fans permalink

MCCAIN is going to be the next president if obama is appointed by the DNC and you can take that to the bank. Remember the Dixiecrats and all the Dems going over to the Republican Party. It will take the Democrats the next 100 years to gain their party back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 05/03/2008

Obama supporters really demonstrate bridging the gap that he always talks about. That liberation theology is just the ticket to put those racist whites in their place. I wonder if you think insulting people is the way to get votes? It's a win/win situation for you. Insult us now and call us racists later when Obama doesn't get elected. The fact is their has never been a far left candidate elected to the Presidency. Your elitist views puts you in that far left category.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/03/2008

Hillary's unfavorable ratings are above 50% in some recent polls.

This suggests that she is unelectable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 05/03/2008
- Kally I'm a Fan of Kally 10 fans permalink

SO IS OBAMA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/03/2008

tap your cap lock, you're screaming

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 05/03/2008

You Indiana and North Carolina voters need to read this:


A memo prepared for Bayh by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service earlier this year stated that the Clinton administration could have objected to the sale under CFIUS, but it did not, and that the consortium promised to keep those Anderson, Ind., jobs in the U.S. only until 2005.

An Oct. 6, 2005, press release from Bayh noted that he asked for the Government Accountability Office to study "concerns over foreign takeovers of American companies with national security implications & after an Indiana company called Magnequench closed thanks to a 1995 decision by CFIUS to approve a Chinese consortium's takeover. At the time, Magnequench made 85 percent of the magnets used to guide U.S. smart bombs."

Said Bayh, in the release: "The committee responsible for providing this protection does not have a good track record, as I saw myself when it allowed an Indiana company that made smart bomb magnets to be purchased by a foreign business. When it comes to protecting our national security interests, we should be doing more, not less."

But Bayh now glosses over the outrage he once expressed at the Clinton administration's approval of that 1995 sale, emphasizing instead the fact that there are currently no companies in the U.S. that manufacture Neo magnets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/03/2008
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

Hopefully, the superdelegates weigh the idea that Hillary is more likely to win in November due to voting irregularities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 05/03/2008

Tough shit uh, well ok tough shit if the democratic don't win in Nov. tough shit. You know Black, Mexican, Hispanics, and Gays have not been considered important in this country, or elecctions. So it really won't matter when we stay at home enjoy you election In November, we'll sit this one out. We'll see who wins without us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 05/03/2008

Hey Kathy: The way to really drive the Democrats nuts is VOTE NADER! Glad I could help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/03/2008

Tough shit if black people are upset or mexican people or gay people or any other minority in this country. We are electing a president under the rules set up by the DNC elders over 30 years ago...
not electing our next 'american idol'. Obama could now be considered damaged goods -- anti-white and anti-patriotic and thus not able to win the general. That's something that needs to be looked at for the party's good. Our goal is to get a democrat in the white house, not nominate someone cause they're afraid of the blacks being unhappy. EVERYONE will be unhappy if we don't win the white house this fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 05/03/2008
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

I was just thinking that Hillary might be damaged goods and tough shit about people who just want better for the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 05/03/2008

The way people here talk I'm with REv. Wright God Damn America for it racist atitude and warmongering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/03/2008
- TP2 I'm a Fan of TP2 2 fans permalink

Yes, lets follow the rules! Like counting all the votes in Florida and Michigan...oops No I mean like not counting all the caucus states...oops...no, I mean like give out the nomination based on the popular vote...oops. You Hillary supporters are starting to sound like your candidate-­talk-out-o­f-both-sid­es-of-your­-mouth hypocrites. Barack is not only running against Bill and Hillary-he's also running against the entire Republican attack machine (who for some reason are all supporting Hillary-wonder why?) and he's holding up quite well. Nominating Hillary, splitting the party so that the Clintons' egos remain intact is the surest route to defeat in November and EVERYBODY should know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 05/03/2008
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

It has been a long day and to turn on the computer and see tough shit about black people, mexican people, and gay people? I usually read the profile before responding and I don't know if it's a joke, but I've got to say --Love this country and it's people or leave it buddy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 05/03/2008

And Hillary isn't damaged goods? She and her husband are still being sued in CA for fund raising discrepancies during her bid for NY Senator. She lied about Bosnia. She said she would "obliterate Iran" if they attacked Israel. Etc. Etc.

Her whole campaign since Texas & Ohio has been "straight out of Karl Rove's playbook".

Personally, I can't wait until "White" is a minority and "Minority" is the majority!!!! You'll love it!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 05/03/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

No, the minorities will be overwhemingly happy to see that those blue collar workers will be still sitting around wondering what happened as they are sitting around wondering now where their jobs are - don't they remember they voted for Bush - remember all those red states that voted for Bush - what are those red state people crying about now - they got what they deserve -

Why vote with a party (DNC) who sanctions with silence polarizing and race bating - the media and Hillary Clinton is spinning this nonsence that blacks voters are insignificant when compared to white blue collar voters, catholics and old white women - I understand that the blacks WILL NOT vote for Hillary Clinton and with a democratic party that speak of them as inconsequential - if the white and black voters are angry and won't vote either way for Obama or Clinton, then the democratic party will lose and the republicans will win - that's what happens when race, gender, religion and status is injected into any situation - all will lose -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 05/03/2008

Ihe democratic party set up the superdelegates to make sure the candidate with the best chance of winning is the one nominated. At least at the present time, that is Clinton, she is leading in most national polls, has the broadest support from voters and polls best against McCain. The same group that slapped voters in Florida and Michigan for doing what was best for them and alienating them by not counting their votes. These party leaders set up this disaster that we are experiencing now and you should blame them if the system works the way it was designed to work.
Obama did not have a problem with wrights words until he expanded those words to include telling people that Obama was just being a politician. NOW he gets upset and disowns him. Hating America wasn't enough, blaming white for inventing aids to kill off blacks was OK, blaming us for 9/11 was OK, but heavens forbid when he calls Obama a politician. Now thats nasty. It is about the only honest and truthfull thing Wright has said recently.
More votes have been cast for Hillary than any Obama. It is a fact and one that gives Clinton reason to fight to win. And hopefully for our party, she will. Too bad if you dont like it, you aren't going anywhere anyway. If Obama wins, I think there will be a huge exodus from the democratic party and the republicans will win easily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 05/03/2008
- trinity29 I'm a Fan of trinity29 22 fans permalink
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You cannot use current polls as your argument for Hillary. You cannot use the more votes argument for Hillary because Michigan and Florida are not being counted. Now lets use the argument that actually has merit. Who is leading in pledged delegates? Obama. Who has won the most states? Obama. Who has consistently increased his support through the entire primary race? Obama. Who leads in the popular votes? Obama.

If you are going to make an electability argument in favor of Hillary, then at least she has to be "elected" by the voting population and the pledged delegates and not "selected" by the superdelegates. If you feel that today's polls are any reflection permanent voter attitudes then you are sadly mistaken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 05/03/2008

The superdelegates were designed to vote for the most electable candidate if the voters made the wrong choice, not just an extension of voters preference. If that was true then why have superdelgates? I can use the voters in Michigan and Florida, they were allowed to vote and did. If you think for one minute they are not going to be represented at the convention with voting priviliges you are wrong. The will. Pledged elegates are only one part of the total and now they are irrelevant as neither can win with those. That was the parties decision, blame them. Obama does not lead in popular votes, Clinton does.
Numbe rof states is irrelevant. The only thing relevant id votes and total delegates, including super delegates.
Obama has not increased his support throughout the process as he is dropping like a rock right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 05/03/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

trinity29..."If you are going to make an electability argument in favor of Hillary, then at least she has to be "elected" by the voting population and the pledged delegates and not "selected" by the superdelegates."

"Ain't I a member of the voting population?" Okay, bad take on Sojourner Truth's, "Ain't I
a Woman" http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/sojtruth-woman.html (Love this speech!), but you get my point don't you? You can't say we Floridians are not a part of the "voting population" in the primary and then want us to be a part of the "voting population" in the general. Come on now, you know that's simply not democratic. Or maybe it is Democratic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/03/2008
- fatmo I'm a Fan of fatmo 3 fans permalink

I keep seeing the hillary people saying she has won more popular vote if you count Michigan (where I am from) so she leads in count. Now no one else was on the ballot and she still only got 55%. But you still want it to be considered legal and legit. Well by those standards Stallin, Hitler.Castro, idi Amin etc. were true leaders of the people and we should of praised them. They were the only ones on the ballot an got 99% of the vote

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 05/03/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 25 fans permalink

Hillary is a Republican, by Nature, by her actions, she is crooked by her "words, Deeds. If your going to bow down to Hillary! then look to a higher power to help you see a better light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 05/03/2008

1. Actually both Clinton & Obama agreed to let Fla & Mi not count.
2. Obama is AHEAD in votes cast AND delegates.
3. Clinton's Rovian straegy has NOT defeated his campaign: conclusion-->
Obama has withstood Clinton's kitchen sink, his numbers are going back
up as of Staurday May 3; presumably Clinton is smarter than the Repubs:
conclusion--> He can beat Repubs BECAUSE he has beat Clinton.
4. This is a question for you & other Clinton supporters: Are you folks DLC
Dems, and it that why you support Clinton? Do you want to pull the party to
the Center? (BTW-I think that is a legitimate position) see #5.
5. If you are prgressives which part of "we will obliterate Iran [with Nukes] is a
Progressive position or comment?
6. How is using racism (promoting the Wright controversy); fear (Bin Laden in
an 11th hour campaign video) etc., reflecting or promoting Progressive policies
and strategies?
7. Last, how do you think the voters who were swayed by her "bittergate" criticism
would respond if they knew Hillary said "Screw em" about working class Southern
voters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 05/03/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

drw3344...just two things:

1 - "Actually both Clinton & Obama agreed to let Fla & Mi not count."

Read the pledge, not campaigning is what the three agreed to.
http://www.fladems.com/page/-/documents/THREE_pledge_versions.pdf

2 - "How is using racism (promoting the Wright controversy); fear (Bin Laden in
an 11th hour campaign video) etc., reflecting or promoting Progressive policies and strategies?"

I think we should lay the blame using racism in promoting the Wright controversy squarely at the feet of the msm not the Clinton campaign. She's not been beating it to death, ALL the msm has. As a Clinton supporter, I agree with you - the bin Laden clip in the campaign video was ome subiminal attempt at fear promotion I think. I understand why surrogates SAY they put it in, but she's a pretty smart woman, she didn't need that visual to show it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/03/2008

The price the party might pay should be high. Like the formation of a new party. Just staying home in November and giving control of congress and the white house to the publicans would make a point, but it still wouldn't give people a political party that represents an alternative to the republicans. Republican or republican-lite isn't much of a choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 05/03/2008

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm really having a hard time distinguishing the differences between Hillary and McCain. If she gets the nomination, it doesn't seem like it would matter who won the Presidency right now. Besides the promise of getting out of Iraq she and McCain seem to agree on everything. So is McCain really a Democrat or is Hillary really a Republican?

Anyone else catch the news that Bush has troops building troop movement towards Iran, just like he did to Iraq before the Iraq War? We may be at war in 3 different Middle Eastern countries before the November elections. I think I'd rather have Obama in the White House at that point to go over a facilitate a cease fire/treaty because they sure haven't listened to our White or female representatives since Bush told the UN where to stick it and invaded Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 05/03/2008

i've notice there a couple people on here that are very calming and agree with what ever you say and then the next thing you know they are suggesting you look at McCain. These are republican wingnuts don't be fooled by their BS, right BryantG, Matt. I was on aNew Republic and they're doing the some thing there watch these bastards are trying to be slick feeding on the anger we are going through. At New Republic they were talking about how McCain is for the Blacks and he has gone to all the southern states talking to balck about how he not Bush and he's here to help. Watch out there are wolves amongst the sheep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 05/02/2008
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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In an age when we should be able to finish taking down the walls and getting along, we're more than ever embroled in the "us vs them" mentality. And Bill & Hillary are expert at stirring it up. Didn't anyone listen to Barack's eloquent speeh on race? It was a wakeup call to all of us to put aside the old patterns of prejudice which exist on all sides and shake hands. Yet here we are, aligning ourselves by race, party, gender, anything that can be used to divide us. We draw our lines in the sand, sling feces at each other and call ourselves Americans.

It's time to tell the media to shut up. Time to put away the axes. Time to tell Washington to stop playing games and represent us. The candidates have shown us their real character. Let's stop the shenanigans and put it to a vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 05/02/2008

I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 05/03/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

Has anyone heard Hillary Clinton who voted for the war speak about McCain's statement that we went to war for oil??? Hillary needs to respond -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/03/2008
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 130 fans permalink
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I too am a white Grandma voter, I see how the media talking heads and blow bags have been stoking the Wright thing for days on end, Bill Clintons comments in SC gets nary a few minutes, Hillarys' campaing guy makes terrible comments about people in Indiana, didn't see that anywher but on Huff post. The Clintons are no different in my opinion then Rove, win at any and all cost. Now she's saying "your either with us or against us" on the gas tax pander, gee where did we hear that before, and that was before McSames big debute of the "we won't send our sons and daughters ever again into a War for oil in the middle east". Trust me people, they are certainly doing everything they can to take this away from Obama. I will also sit home and not vote if they give this too Billary. For the first time in over forty years. I thought after 2000 and 2004 we would have a clean fair election, I'm beginning to think we have a voting system that looks more and more like the ones they have in those thrid world countries that our politicians are always sqwaking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 05/02/2008
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That's true. I heard so little about Bill Clinton's comments in SC. "Nary a word."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 05/02/2008

I PLAN ON VOTING FOR GREEN PARTY CANDIDIATE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY SHE A DOUBLE MINORITY...ISNT THAT WHATS THIS IS ALL ABOUT ANYWAY.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/02/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

This IS NOT the first organized effort to influence superdelegates by this group. The first was a petition to the Congressional Black Caucus in Feb. They said, "Over the last several weeks, voters in CBC districts have spoken with clarity about their choice for President—they overwhelmingly support Barack Obama. But the clear mandate they've laid down is threatened by those in your ranks who as superdelegates may break away from their constituents to vote for Hillary Clinton."

As a Black American, I took issue (missed the "clear mandate" memo), sending my own email to the CBC in consternation, citing the wrongness of Blacks who now want to DISENFRANCHISE FL voters (some of them Black) because they didn't vote for THEIR candidate! This process is fraught with race (not racism, there's a difference) and politics as usual - on both sides. I won't have ANY group speak for, nor dictate to, me about whom I should vote. If we're not, a monolith, then act like it - sans threats.

Choosing Sen. Obama based on 48 states is a tainted nomination. Magnanimously seating FL delegates (as is the nominee's right) at the convention is nothing - particularly if the majority of voices for whom the FL delegates will speak had no say in HIS nomination. "In order to form a more perfect union, we (meaning ALL) the people" should decide who we want to represent us. If you're such a uniter, stop fighting "some of the people" in your first Black president

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 05/02/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

Apologies, emotion make the fingers go faster than the mind at times. The last line should read "in your first Black president quest."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/02/2008
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What you wrote still doesn't make any sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 05/02/2008
- deb813 I'm a Fan of deb813 5 fans permalink

Giving the nomination to the losing candidate with 15 states is even worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 05/02/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

deb813...If he's the nominee, I guess we'll have see won't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 05/03/2008
- Mesaywar I'm a Fan of Mesaywar 3 fans permalink

Wake up. The Clintons are running a New Milennium Southern Strategy.
Since Ohio, their strategy and comments have been an insult to people of color in general, black people in particular;...well, at least to those with any dignity or sense of self-respect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 05/03/2008
- SCMagnolia I'm a Fan of SCMagnolia 2 fans permalink

Mesaywar..I.'m quite awake and they're not the only ones.running a New Miillenium Southern Strategy. Only the senator's team is banking on the fact that some people totally won't geting the nuances of theirs - and some don't.

Since you don't know me and I don't know you, I'll be the biggger person and ignore your sideways attempt at insulting my dignity and sense of respect. But let me just share this - I can disagree with someone who doesn'tt share my views without sinking to negative assignatons of character.

We all have opinions about this race and I respect your right to have yours - I even enjoy discussing/debating them, whether I agree with you or not. Let's stick to that okay?.Because anything else is truly sandbox behavior and I have no intention of stepping in. You have a great day now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 05/03/2008

It's not just with Blacks, the Clinton campaign has gone out of its way to create divisions within the entire electorate.

When Bill Richardson endorsed Obama, the Clinton camp stated that his endorsement is useless because the states with large hispanic populations had already been decided. Where's the outrage?

During a debate, Hillary Clinton implied that African Americans *should* be upset at Mexican immigrants (illegal or not). Why did she get a pass on scapegoating the Mexican immigrants and stoking racial conflict?

What about her "Screw 'em" comment against white "Reagan Democrats"? These are the voters whom, they say, were offended by Obama's "bitter" comments. Why wasn't there a "screw 'em - gate" when she attacked Obama? Why isn't there any outrage?

What about the Clinton's claim that only big states matter? Where is the outrage among the smaller states?

Clinton claims "the boys" are ganging up on her and implies that the "glass ceiling" has kept her down. That's absurd! She hides behind her gender every time the going gets tough. Hillary Clinton is no feminist; what true feminist would ever do such a thing? Why is there no collective outrage from women?

Hillary Clinton is not fit for the presidency in that her tactics are toxic and clearly un-American. On a more personal level, she is no role model for girls, and I would be ashamed of my daughter if she turned out like her. Frankly, I don't really understand why *all* Americans aren't offended by the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 05/02/2008
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Yeah, Hillary Clinton's tactics are toxic. Barack and his Wright hand man, however -- display the kind of tactics that make Barack perfectly fit for the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 05/02/2008
- mindact I'm a Fan of mindact 4 fans permalink

Clinton comes with a lot of shady characters, from her jailbird brother in-law, her pardon for money brothers, her whitewater partners, her former child-molesting pastor, and a host of others. The whitehouse willl be a scary place with all these people occupying the lincoln bedroom.

At least most people can attest to the goodness of barack. Same can't be said about Hillary. She's proven the critics right with her win at all cost behavior. That's exactly what they did during the 90's why dems lost both houses of congress and saw their gubernatorial ranks shrink from 30 to 21. The superdels holding elected offices have very long memories

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 05/02/2008

Obama *is* a good man. Hillary Clinton should thank her maker that he is. Also, regardless of what you think of Wright, if you can't tell the difference between Senator Obama and Reverend Wright, then maybe you shouldn't be voting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 05/03/2008
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Should the Democratic Party establishment somehow give the nomination to Clinton against the will of the voters (of all races), it will surely have a suppressing effect. Perhaps the Clinton campaign doesn't realize how much they've alienated and sown bitterness in the Black electorate? What is more likely the truth is that they feel Black people will "come around" and vote for Hillary in November, but I've talked to many who said they would rather abstain from voting than cast a vote for Hillary.

The Black population is thrilled by the prospect of Obama possible being elected because "hope" is one of the only things Black people have never reliquished during our long and often miserable existence in this land called America. Black people want desperately to feel that America is ready to turn the page on the past and cast a vote for a man of color, that we can indeed obtain the highest of the highest elected offices in the country (Secretaries aren't elected, of course). Psychologically, it would be a major boost to the spirits of Black and many whites (who also want to believe this country is ready to elect someone who isn't white and male to the presidency).

If Hillary somehow ends up the nominee, a cloud of depression and hopelessness will cover many Americans...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 05/02/2008

If Obama loses then we know who to blame dont we. What should the punishment be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 05/02/2008

amandla, don't wait for America to turn the page, just turn the page yourself and what you are talking is called Self-Discriminatory Syndrome. Stop pretending to be a victim only because you are black. There are many other people of other colors and races that have had many issues and they never complain as you do! Stop crying and do something useful,but no, you prefer to threat America if Obama does not get the nomination, that is another reason why I would never vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 05/03/2008

Amandla, your comment was so on point, it has me really choked up! This is a true statement indeed, and I will definitely be staying home if Hillary's pathetic ass, is able to steal the nomination! That is the only way she will win by lying and cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 05/03/2008
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