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First Posted: 05- 9-08 09:41 PM   |   Updated: 05-17-08 05:12 AM

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On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in recent months.

"Historically after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party, particularly when you've had a strong opponent, you want to make sure you're putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November. So, obviously, I would want to have a broad range of discussions with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about
the process and have her on the team moving forward."

Talking to reporters in front of a Mexican restaurant in Woodburn, Oregon, the Illinois Senator warned that such discussions are "premature right now. She's still actively running and we've still got business to do right here in Oregon and in other states."

The Clinton campaign dismissed out-of-hand any talk of Obama helping Clinton with her debts. "We are running a competitive primary race," said spokesman Phil Singer. "We have seen the dangers of declaring 'mission accomplished' before."

Obama cannot under federal law assume direct responsibility for Clinton's debts because that would amount to an illegal contribution, far above contribution limits.

There are, however, a number of other alternatives. Obama could, for example, send out a solicitation in Clinton's behalf to his own donors and to other donor lists, asking for contributions to be directed to her campaign. He could, in addition, hold a joint fundraiser with the money
split between Clinton and Obama.

Strong opposition to helping Clinton, in the event that she withdraws from the contest, has emerged among Obama supporters who continue to voice intense anger at Clinton and her former chief strategist, Mark Penn. The opposition surfaced immediately after the Huffington Post ran stories
raising the subject.

At an Obama-run blog
for supporters, a number of contributors have argued that any effort to help Clinton pay off bills would be insupportable.

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"The read-between-the-lines statement that I am hearing is that he would be expected to use his campaign clout (which as far as I am concerned, means his ethics and integrity) to attach her debt consolidation efforts to his future fundraising efforts. Which means he WOULD be taking money from lobbyists - big time!!!!" wrote "TH" of California. "So yes, while he may not be selling us out by giving away our hard earned money directly to her, Obama would be selling out by using his new political clout to help pay off her debts. Memo to OBAMA: You do not need to sell one ounce of your soul to gain this nomination. NOT THIS TIME! Remember? NOT THIS TIME!!!"

"Ken" from Wagoner, Okla., wrote: "I am also reading Sen. Obama is considering Hillary for his VICE !!! I am wondering what has happened to Sen. Obama, has he gone BONKERS? I pray he has nothing to do with the Clinton's or their financial problems !!!"

There is deep animosity towards Clinton in the Obama camp, where many believe she has raised issues of race and 'elitism' that will hurt the Illinois Senator in November.

In an interview with USA Today for example, Clinton declared: "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," citing an AP article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

In addition, Mark Penn, the former chief strategist for Clinton and head of one of the biggest PR-lobbying conglomerates in the nation's capital, is seen as the quintessential Washington insider, capitalizing on political connections to become a multi-millionaire.

The immediate problem with Penn -- whose conflicts of interest plagued the Clinton campaign and ultimately led to his being publicly, if not privately, repudiated -- is that if Obama helps Clinton pay off her debts, a big chunk of those debts - as much as $10 million by some estimates -- is owed to Penn.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, which has "a global network of 94 offices and 1600 employees that brings world-class public relations to companies around the world."

Burson-Marsteller is one of the 246 companies owned by WPP, a leading global advertising and marketing services group. WPP controls a powerful array of public relations, advertising and lobbying companies, including Hill and Knowlton; Dewey Square; Ogilvy and Mather; Public Strategies Inc.; AGB Nielsen Media Research; Quinn Gillespie and Associates; Timmons and

Company; Wexler and Walker Public Policy Associates; Young and Rubicam Brands.

Penn, who remains a top adviser to Clinton, was forced to step down as the face of the Clinton strategy team after disclosures that he was meeting privately with the government of Colombia to promote congressional approval of a trade agreement which Clinton - and her most loyal voters -- oppose.

Consideration by the Obama camp of providing financial help to Clinton would be part of a peace-making process in the event that she withdraws from the presidential nominating contest.

Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other methods.

The Obama campaign does not want to be identified as having discussions about Clinton's finances. Obama aides used the term "chit-chat" to dismiss any such discussions.

Both Obama and Clinton have broken all Democratic fundraising records. Through the first quarter of this year, Obama raised $234.7 million, and Clinton $189.1 million. As of March 31, the date of the most recent FEC filing, Obama had $51.1 million in the bank and just $662,784 in debt, for a net cash position of $50.4 million; while Clinton had $31.7 million in the
bank, debts of $15.2 million, and had loaned the campaign $6.4 million. (The FEC lists debts and loans separately.) More recently, Clinton disclosed that she had made her campaign additional loans, bringing the total amount she has loaned to her effort to $11.4 million. At the same time, her campaign was running close to broke for much of last month. Details of fundraising and spending for the month of April do not have to be filed until May 15.

Money is a central issue in the delicate negotiations that many expect to lead to a Clinton withdrawal. A winning candidate often offers to do whatever is legal to help a loser pay down debts. In this case, there is exceptional animosity between the two camps. Furthermore, Penn's interest in any negotiations are sure to be pressed very aggressively by the Clinton campaign's new Chief Operating Officer, Howard Paster. Paster was brought in immediately upon Penn's retreat, and, as it happens, Paster is Penn's boss. Paster is the executive vice president for public relations and public affairs at Burson-Marsteller's parent company, WPP.

In his new capacity as COO of the Clinton campaign, Paster is almost certain to be central in deciding how much of any money Obama might help raise for Clinton is used to pay off the debt to Penn. This set of relationships will undoubtedly impact the enthusiasm of Obama donors for a Clinton-Obama pact.

On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in...
On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in...
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Sen. Clinton has succeeded in dividing the Democratic party into young and/or black and/or educated/ and or middle/upper class voters verses working class and/or uneducated and/or white and/or older and/or rural voters. Her strategy has done serious damage to the party and she should not be rewarded and Obama should not help her pay off money she used and continues to use to damage him and the party, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/13/2008

Sen. Obama, do not hire ANY of Sen. Clinton's staff. Obviously they do not have the disciplined character that your current staff has. Also hire back that lady that called Sen. Clinton a monster. She had a lot of good foreign policy ideas. Let Sen. Clinton pay off her own debts because she should have quit when she ran out of money, that's what everybody else has to do, or she should just suck it up and take the loss just like Romney did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/13/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

Dear Barak,

I owe a ton of money on my credit cards:

$12,000 on one VISA
$5,000 on a nasty MasterCard
$8,200 on a Discover

Here's the deal.

I will overlook your character problems and vote for you if you will pay off these cards.

In fact, by paying me off, you will confirm my belief about your character.

Don't worry about HillBilly. Between her husband's Arab speaking fees and the Chinese dishwashers, sh will make back the $10 Mil in a matter of months.

Thank you,

Reelcobra

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Character is not an issue - it is a distraction!!

BHO '08!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/13/2008

and if he does pay her debt HE WILL NOT GET ANOTHER DIME OF MINE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 05/13/2008

I want to know how Obama started his meteoric rise. I hated him in evey debate. Dennis Kucinich gave him his backing in Iowa, that started him on his way. Ophrah, someone I love, backed him. Then Ted Kennedy, both BIG players. The best organization I've seen came from MOVEON. He's related to Dick Cheney & Brad Pitt, but he turned down Brad Pitt;s endorsement. Brad's in New Orleans trying to rebuild it. From my seat it seems alot of people, especially students & blacks jumped on the bus without really knowing Barack. & with just the little that is now known, he has now already lost his "perfecrt" illusion. I'd love to see this primary just starting over again now, I bet there would be very different results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 05/13/2008

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There is nothing wrong with Obama's character. The clinton's on the other hand are and have always been and will continue to be scandalous. Your aforementioned comments offer nothing to refute Obama's character, just a lot of run on, non related sentences. But back to the issue, Hillary's supporters should help her pay off her debt. Why are they so tight fisted? Me thinks alot of Hillary supporters are nothing more than Obama detractors who will vote republican in November. We need CHANGE. Let's try more intelligent governance and less knee jerk reactions for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 05/13/2008

This will not help gain white voters and will be a waste of money. If the Clintons know that they can stay in the race and run up a tab that Obama will end up paying then there is no reason for the Clintons to go quietly into the sunset; also if they get Obama to hire Hillary's staff at rates that will cover the amount that Hillary owes them in arrears then there is no reason for the Clintons to stpe down.

Obamacans if you all allow this then Obama will appear as a wimp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/13/2008

THANK YOU! AND I AM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 05/13/2008

Deal she can't refuse? Personally insure Bill's safety when he moves out of Harlem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/13/2008

I am and have been an Obama supporter from day one (you know, one of those senior white haired females that supposedly are die-hard Clintonites that the 24/7 and polls say are in her corner). It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last, that a winning campaign helps out the candidate financially as they step aside. If this is what it takes to get Clinton to say "uncle", I vote - go for it and let's get on to the general election and the White House! Work within the finance laws, but help her out (I find it a bit comical that as this country's economic situation is in the RED and will be a prioity issus in November - then we have a candidate that ran a campaign into the RED and they feel their are the candidate most qualified to get us out of the problem - something doesn't appear right in that picture).

I do NOT think that Obama should or has to offer Clinton the VP job. I am supporting him because I believe he WILL cause CHANGE to happen for the better in Washington.....Clinton is, and ran, as the 'old' guard of Washington. Putting Clinton on the ticket, with Bill, would be like having TWO Vice Presidents - not a good thing Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 05/13/2008

Your story is my story (just because I AM a 60 y/o white woman doesn't mean I want to vote for one) and I agree with you on Barack helping Clinton retire her debt, regardless of who (Penn, Hil and Bill or whoever) gets the money. I have had my too long dormant idealism reawakened by this wonderful candidate and the excellent campaign he has run, but my grey hairs still counsel going for doing good rather than just feeling good. Like you I counsel pragmatism in this regard.

I am all in for the primaries and will go all in on the general too. I will personally write the check out to Mark Penn if that is what it takes to get Hillary to stop throwing stink bombs and paving John McCain's way to the White House.

I also think it is laughable that someone who made such a hash of running a campaign should hold herself out as supremely qualified to run the government. And for heaven's sake DO NOT put her on the ticket. Make her ambassador someplace with nice shopping and get her the sam hill out of town. Pick one of her key supporters maybe -- but not HER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/13/2008

I have given to Obama's campaign, and the money was for him to become President and fix the problems in our country. I don't want my money going to repay a hundred millionaire who spent a bunch of her money drawing out this process and hurting my candidate.

Obama should raise the equivalent of Hillary's debts and give it out to people who have lost their homes to the mortgage scam, or to the families of those who have lost their lives in the war that Hillary voted for. She still has $80 million left, so please, let's not cry for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 05/13/2008
- iluvsam I'm a Fan of iluvsam 17 fans permalink

If Obama supporters think they can win in November by alienating the Clinton supporters by constantly demeaning the Clintons they may want to think again. At this point (if Obama is the presumptive nominee), they need the Clinton supporters more than the Clinton supporters need them. Obama supporters should be smart and lose the animosity or you're going to find yourselves embarrassed in November. For instance, I have friends who are independents who are Clinton supporters, and they are beside themselves with anger over the way the Obama supporters speak of the Clintons. They will not vote for Obama if the constant animosity toward the Clintons continue. They find it shallow, ignorant, and inexcusable. They aren't the only ones out there who feel that way. Be careful and be smart. Lose the hatred...it is unbecoming and just makes Obama look like a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 05/13/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

With all due respect,the Clintons have demeaned themseles! I certainly had no preconceived position towards Hillary or Bill. However, I have been appalled at the lowering of the bar by this couple,and THAT set me on a quest to research their individual and collective track records. It is APPALLING that so much corruption has NOT been vetted by the MSM about these two. Particularly troubling is her penchant for dishonesty as far back as Watergate,when she was a staffer,before marrying Bill. The Paul v.Clinton trial for admitted FEC fraud by the pair(go to Google),Whitewater,Rose law Firm Travelgate,questionable campaign contributions,ties to WalMArt and Nafta legislation-No,anyone who doesn't use discernment here,is in denial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 05/13/2008
- iluvsam I'm a Fan of iluvsam 17 fans permalink

Wow. You drank the Kool-aid. You just spewed out about 10 Repig talking points. I can't believe fellow Democrats are talking like this. It is so disappointing. It really makes me sad. UGH. I expect this BS from Repigs, but....wow.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/14/2008
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We need each other, friend.

Please, as a Democrat, let's put the primary behind us, because the real campaign is now beginning.

Are we going to let McCain take us into Iran, or are we going to set the United States on a better path in the 21st century?

Don't let the snotty Obama fans sour you on Obama the candidate. Every person has horrible followers who won't shut up no matter how much everybody else wants them to. It's just gonna happen. But the majority of Obama fans are people who just want some humility and sense back in their government.

The hope with Obama is that we're going to have a candidate who finally LISTENS and will act based on the national will as much as he can. But a people's candidate like this needs the support and involvement of the people, or else the CEOs will be happy to provide their choice for our president.

So let's work together here, okay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/13/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

"Are we going to let McCain take us into Iran, or are we going to set the United States on a better path in the 21st century?" Pardonnez moi, but was it not Hillary who proposed "obliterating Iran?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/13/2008

Hillary screwed herself. She couldn't win California again. Not only have the super delegates begun abandoning her, her own base has. She abandoned any purported principles and exposed herself as a craven, power hungry politician who has no ethical boundary. There is a clear difference in candidates.

You hold out the threat that you and other Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama. So it's either Hillary or four more years of war overturning Roe V Wade and cronyism? Vote for McCain. Many Republicans I know are voting for Obama, they will not vote for Hillary. Obama has brought out many new voters who don't connect with Hillary. Go ahead vote for Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 05/13/2008
- iluvsam I'm a Fan of iluvsam 17 fans permalink

Again, here we go with the animosity. Get over the venom. You claim to be an Obama supporter because you believe in certain "values", well I see none of that righteous character in your words about your fellow Democrats. Keep it up. Alienate the Clinton supporters with your vile words toward the Clintons. Watch how far it gets you. You have to realize that we are on the same TEAM. I support Hillary Clinton, but I love Barack Obama and will vote for him in November, but that is because I would become violently ill and self-loathing if I ever voted for a Repig. Independents who support Sen. Clinton don't feel the same way I do. So, one should be careful where they spew their venom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/14/2008

Why should us Obama supporters coddle you for your blind Clinton fanhood? She has caused some serious damage to herself and the chances for a Democratic presidential candidate by being disingenuous for her own personal gain. The Republicans are the ones who are allowed to blindly follow any leader and not criticize their actions. Just because we support Obama does not mean we are on the same team. I'm sick of dishonest politics, and it's one of my biggest issues. Clinton is one of the biggest perpetrators of it and I don't think I should have to hide my opinion for the purposes of political strategery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 05/13/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

Hey,

Bribery is as old as prostitution!!

Leave the playerhating to the Ron Pauliacs.

____________________________

Character is a distraction - not an ISSUE

BHO '08!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 05/13/2008
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That kind of proposal could come from no one except a real man; an iron man. If the shoe was on the other foot a proposal like that would be unthinkable. Plus it will probably stop her from stealing from us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/13/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

Terry, Would that not set a paradigm for future politicians to think they can go out and bad mouth and smear and spend like a drunken sailor-then expect the scmuck you sling mud at to come and PAyYfor being smeared and slimed? Obama won't get my vote if he's weak enough to go for this shakedown!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/13/2008

If that is the standard, the winner paying for the loser, then fine. However, the money she "lent" her campaign, is on her. Call it an investment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 05/13/2008
- Bloggerrogr I'm a Fan of Bloggerrogr 156 fans permalink
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If I might suggest...
Such a scenario (helping HRC pay off her campaign debts) would be entirely in keeping with Mr. Obama's personal life. I'm familiar with the good sense of beating swords into plowshares. Since Obama is likewise a U.C.C. member it's entirely consistent with his predilection to building alliances and/or consensus. Being magnanimous in Victory (as Obama will be) is very Lincolnesque; and Lincoln was a Republican! (I'd like to think of Lincoln as a progressive in Republican's clothing. Hope that doesn't upset too many fellow Dems) Let's face it folks, Barack's campaign is like no other I've witnessed in my lifetime (My first vote was in '64 - for Goldwater, of all people!) . When Barack wins (notice I didn't say IF), his task will be to unite a country savaged by the rabid right since the Reagan years. Building a national consensus on extricating ourselves from the Iraq quagmire will be a monumental task by itself. After that, issues of healthcare, the environment and the economy will be of Herculean magnitude and Barack will need all the political capital he can muster. If some of that political capital has to come from the Clinton camp, then, so be it. Let's not forget that Bill Clinton gave this country eight incredible years. That was a harbinger of what is possible under a President who'll be elected on a platform of change empowered by a new political force, grassroots progressives like we who read the Huffpost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/13/2008
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Nice post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 05/13/2008
- reelcobra I'm a Fan of reelcobra 6 fans permalink

That was a rather longwinded defense of bribery. Let's call a spa-- whoops!

BHO '08!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 05/13/2008
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

Frankly, I think those who made such risky loans should suffer the consequences. If she had won, wouldn't they have reaped a big reward? Isn't that why they made the loans? So why shouldn't they pay the price anyone else pays when they gamble and lose?
IF the Democratic Party or Obama's campaign help in any way on this, they have seen my last donation. My contributions were an investment in hopes of more decent politics and a better government; selling out to her protection racket would be indicative that (1) either they have already more money thann they need, or (2) they are too weak even to fight off that kind of blackmailer. In the first case, they don't need me; and in the second, I don't nered them. I have worked much too hard for the little I have, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 05/13/2008
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Obama is showing wisdom beyond his years if he is indeed contemplating meeting Hillary's financial needs. He realizes (apparently) that he can't face the Republican meatgrinder without Hillary and her legions standing shoulder to shoulder with him. McCain is readying himself to unleash the dogs of war on the marshmallow "forces" that are Obama's. To not bye-off Hillary's debts at this point could be perilous Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 05/13/2008

"Wisdom beyond his years" ?? You do realize that BO is pushing 50. I know that he and his wife like to make themselves sound as though they're 30, but they indeed are not. Frankly, it is unbelieveable that it took them so long to pay off their student loans--by their own admission, they did so just three years ago. I know people saddled with ivy league educations that finished paying their student loans off by the time they were in their mid-30s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/13/2008

He worked in civil service, not on Wall Street. He had 10 years of education loans to pay off. He did it by writing a couple of inspirational books, not by setting up some factory in China and importing cheap plastic goods, or investing in oil companies, or working on the board of parasitic corporation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 05/13/2008

If she agrees to get out and doesn't hold out for the V.P. slot, the 21 million dollar hand-out she is requesting may be worth it. That's not even one month of contributions for Obama; she and he should be able to raise it. If she would take 41 to get out of the senate as well, I'd contribute. The fairy tale is almost over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 05/13/2008
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

Well, now if she would do that, I'd empty my bank account! If she's leave the country for good, I'd borrow to help!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/13/2008
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 05/13/2008
- DavidK08 I'm a Fan of DavidK08 8 fans permalink

I don't like her at all and think that her performance in the primary was bad for women in general. That said, she has a lot of support. Most of her support would vote for Obama no matter what they are saying right now. That doesn't mean that her support wouldn't be greatly appreciated. It makes for the strongest position for Obama. She can't be the VP though. And, she has to deliver. No 2012 BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/13/2008
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

She has been helping the Republicans; let them bail her out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 05/13/2008
- Lagniappe I'm a Fan of Lagniappe 13 fans permalink

AMEN to that!! BETTER YET let Hillary go to the tax free Fellowship Foundation,headed by Doug Coe her spiritual mentor. This group has ties to uber right wing politicians and preachers and the late Jerry Falwell,James Dobson,and Billy GRAHAM AND Pastor Ron Parsley.Clinton considers Coe her Spiritual mentoR,as she wrote in one of her books. This is Christian Dominionism,who believe there is no right or wrong when your are doingJesus' work of annhililating non Christians,especially Muslims. The roots are in Naziism. Type in "Christian Mafia" by Wayne Madsen--NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS! Stories in The Nation and Harper's,too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 05/13/2008
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