Growing Deficits Threaten Pensions

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Washington Post   |  David Cho   |   May 11, 2008 10:45 AM


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The funds that pay pension and health benefits to police officers, teachers and millions of other public employees across the country are facing a shortfall that could soon run into trillions of dollars.

But the accounting techniques used by state and local governments to balance their pension books disguise the extent of the crisis facing these retirees and the taxpayers who may ultimately be called on to pay the freight, according to a growing number of leading financial analysts.

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There is a way, in the long run, that this sort of thing could be avoided.

The pension fund that I collect from is not directly controlled by my former employer. Instead, the employer made negotiated contributions to the pension fund, but the employer did not have control over the fund. It is controlled by a group that is 50/50 union and employer represented, and no more than a small percent can be invested in the employer's company.

Pension payouts are effected by the overall health of the economy and the stock market, but it is always fully funded, and cannot be stolen by the CEOs and CFOs for their golden parachutes, or by the company for operating expenses.

Sometime ago the company made it part of contract negotiations that they would take over the pension fund 100%, employees went on strike, and the union won. Thanks be to the heavens above.

Social Security and other governmnet pensions could and should be structured this way. Then, presidents could not steal the funds for their wars, and declare that social security is going bankrupt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 05/12/2008

Why not this Headline, "Growing Deficits Threaten War Contractors."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 05/11/2008

DID YOU GUYS MISS BUSH'S WARNING FLAGS WHEN HE ROBBED THE TEXAS TEACHERS RETIREMENT FUND TO PAY FOR HIS TAX CUTS????

DID YOU THINK THAT WOULD NOT HAPPENING IN EVERY STATE TO PAY FOR HIS TAX CUTS???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/11/2008

How did he do this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 05/11/2008

The Fund had a so called excess and Bush transfered this so called excess to the general fund to pay for his tax cuts. A few months later Enron. World Com and other losses hit the markets putting the retirement fund at risk if the number of Teacher who had filed to retire actually retired. Many Teachers chose not to retire because the fund had to lower the monthly amout thery would receive because of the $200 million taken by Bush and the stock losses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 05/12/2008

There is another side to this coming public pension collapse which is potentially more harmful than public pension fund administrative malefeance. Standard and Poors and Moody and another agency who give the AAA ratings to the insurers of municipal bonds that are heavily invested by public retirement funds are negligently overrating the financial condition of the insurers of the municipal bond market. The biggest insurers of municipal bonds, AMBAC, FGIC and MBIA are whispered to be near the point of bankruptcy themselves. Such a condition, if true as the evidence suggests, means that the entire municipal bond market is not of the AAA rating as alleged by the ratings agencies. Pension plan administrators must be wondering and weeping what happens with the demise of the insurers.
There needs to be called up immediately a joint committee of Congress to call hearings on the entire municipal bond lending and insuring industry and air the facts. For too long the American people have been kept in the dark of the true condition of our economic, financial, credit, and indebted condition. The sooner the facts are laid out in grim detail will be the lesser the pain and suffering of outrageous American leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/11/2008

Congress is part of the problem, tml.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/12/2008

Wasnt or isnt there some kind of pension protection plan instituted a while back that took the pensions off the back of airlines and other corporations thanks to Bush? I wonder if this fund has been sucked dry like SSI and now these pensions as well. I imagine they have been, but no one wants to talk about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 05/11/2008

I remember Treasury Secretary Snow said in Dec 06 or 05 that he had found more money
in the retirement fund for federal employees. So I guess he stole the money from everywhere
there was to steal from. But who voted for that bunch, cannot blame anyone but themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/12/2008

In 2000 the Republicans pass the Retirement funding bill that lowered the amount of money required to be donated to the funds to 15% from 25%. Now the losses from those great investments are commong home as more retire.

WISH OUR SOCIAL SECURITY WAS INVESTED LIKE THE REPUBLICANS INVESTED THESE RETIREMENT FUNDS.

PLEASE FORGIVE THESE GREEDY REPUBICANS FOR DRIVING GOOD JOBS OVERSEAS AND DESTROYING A GREAT COUNTRY! If you can sorry but I will not be!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 05/11/2008

This issue is probably the major economic problem facing this country down the road. The time bomb was created by local elected city and county councils and mayors all over the country. They have given overly generous back-end pay packages to employees for decades--not their money so who cares. If you think we can afford this, look at Vallejo where about 2/3's of the City's budget has ended up going to funding retirement and benefit packages and the only answer has become a bankruptcy filing that allowed them to back out of these commitments. As a Democrat, I find this scary since public employee unions have a major influence on the party and will make it hard to address the problem equitably. We are going to see some serious conflicts when the choice becomes either significantly cutting public programs or cutting public retirement packages that have gone over the top.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 05/11/2008

Slash defense spending and raise taxes on the top 1%. Glad I could help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 05/12/2008

No new programs and hold existing programs' spending increases to slightly less than inflation. Political suicide in the nanny state, but it would eliminate the budget deficit over time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 05/11/2008


Ernestine, What has happened to Mr. Continental?..Really miss him.kd

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 05/11/2008

Pensions soon, social security won't be far behind. Amazing, we have the supposedly brightest people running our country (Yale, Harvard) and they've screwed it all up. I wouldn't mind so much if there were an avenue to complain, a way to make them accountable, some form of oversight by Americans who want to do something about it. But no. The powers that be have effectively built a barrier between us and the people that run the country. Our congress and senate work for someone else besides the taxpayers. Can't get to them - can vote them out but they are replaced by the same ilk. Doesn't matter who is in power - the democrats or republicans (these categories only serve to divide us not unite us), the criminal cabal continues to suck our hard earned money from us to enrich themselves. All this money for pensions and social security, money lost in the stock market and housing crisis, where has it gone? You don't think it just disappeared into thin air do you? Our loss is in someone else's pocket now. And into the pocket of the people who need the money the least, people who are already rich beyond believe. It's nafarious, it's genocide, and we had better put our heads together and figure out how to stop it or we will be owned, as in indentured slaves who's individual lives mean nothing to the upper echelon except as a commodity, a means to a particular end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/11/2008

This is how Grover Norquist theory works. He has taught the Republicans that by robbing the system they make it weaker and soon they can kill government. Then they can install any government they want with few if any rules for business but tons of laws over poor Americans.

They are trying to create another endentured slavery class like England in the 1700's !

READ GROVER NORQUIST AND SEE HOW FAR OUT OF TOUCH HE REALLY IS!!

THESE ARE OLD WANNBIE SLAVE OWNERS USING GOVERNMENT TO CREATE A EMPIRE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 05/12/2008

look at the history of the great civilzations of the past. egyptians, romans, greeks, macedonians, etc. guess who is next on the list of once great nations that no longer exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/11/2008

On the contrary, this is exactly what they wanted. Bring it all down. Nothing but contract work from here on out for everybody. No benefits, none. No health care, no pension, no guarantee that you will be employed tomorrow, all gone, nothing left. NOW try to RAISE A family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 05/11/2008

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Yout point about raising a family is good.
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We have sacrificed stability and quality of life at the alter of short term GNP growth.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 05/11/2008

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A country so corrupt that it allows gang stalkers to openly notoriously poison people while claiming to be a free country ruled by laws cannot be expected to be honest with itself about money.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/11/2008

People who lose their pensions should show up in Crawford, Texas and loot the Bush ranch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 05/11/2008


Wasn't it Teddy Roosevelt who said .."There is NOTHING unplanned in Govt. and politics"? Thanks, NeoCons..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 05/11/2008

Our federal government under the Republican regime has chosen to do no oversight or regulation of banks, hedge funds, and mortgage brokers. The result is the guys at the top of the pyramid have skimmed billions out of our economy. The pension funds could have been solvent if our government was not run by cartels of gangsters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/11/2008


The intent of BushCo's treason, privatization and profiteering is to cause an

economic crises so large as to create an opportunity for change thru chaos.

BTW, did anyone else get only half of the free money W had sent out to US?

My wife and I (filed jointly) got $600 instead of the $1200 we expected. WTF!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 05/11/2008

Soon you will be assigned an account number which corresponds to your DNA. If, for any reason, your obedience is useful or valuable to your rulers, your account will receive *credits* redeemable for such goods and services as needed to keep you alive. If you are found to be useless or undesirable for any reason your account will be closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 05/11/2008

In Minnesota they have been taking DNA from newborns without parental consent and warehousing it illegally. Of course a vote came up a couple weeks ago and the Dems in this state said the state doesn't need to ask parents and they won't destroy the illegal DNA,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/11/2008

Disturbing news from Lake Wobegone. The Democrats you mention are (of course) no different from you and I. They also must serve our rulers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 05/11/2008

Sweet.

People should remember stories like this, when they start talking about letting the Government manage their health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/11/2008

Excessively generous pensions have already taken down the City of Vallejo, CA. When police and firefighters can retire at age 50 and collect as much as 90% of their final year's compensation (with 30 years' of service), every year for life, what is left for libraries, pot holes etc? Add in retiree health benefits and the problem is made worse. There will be a lot more governments filing for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in the coming years. Hopefully, the bankruptcy courts will restore some sanity to these public employee union shakedowns. Do you have any idea how large a 401K plan you would need to fund a $70,000 annuity for life starting at age 50? I suspect the number is well over $1 million. How is YOUR 401K plan doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 05/11/2008

Sorry-didn't see your post when I did mine. I totally agree with what you said, but solutions will be hard to come by. The public employee unions have considerable influence on the Dems and will make it hard to cut their overly generous payouts. The Repubs will want to make all their buddies rich with solutions that don't solve anything. At some point it will be a major conflict between trying to keep minimal local public programs and containing overly generous employee benefit programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 05/11/2008

Isn't Vallejo the city that is damn near bankrupt because they paid like 20 firefighters a total of $2 million per year? Smart spending there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 05/11/2008

Vallejo does pay a lot of overtime to its fire department. The city does not appear to have been well managed in recent years. The bankruptcy judge could allow the city to cut pension benefit payments to retirees and even roll back the pension formula to what it was before it was improved a few years ago. It is one thing to protect lower paid employee pensions. No one wants to see retirees resorting to eating dog food. On the other hand, public safety pensions are way too high.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/12/2008

Funny you would describe a pension that is never paid as excessively generous. Wouldn't excessively fraudulent be more accurate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 05/11/2008

It has been paid up to now. Now the well has run dry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/11/2008

Interesting. What would you have the bankruptcy judge do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/11/2008

Bush's "downturn in the economy" is felt thru every facet on our lives. The destruction of the economy with deficits, galactic federal debt mostly incurred on his "watch", heavy borrowing from abroad to finance a phony war for profit driving us to bankruptcy, investments spiraling downward, good paying jobs in mamufacturing lost, energy costs thru the roof, outsourcing. layoffs, unemployment rising, trade imbalances, credit markets drying up, mortages and home ownership in disarray, healt care costs out of sight, etc., etc. The Pennsylvania State Employees Retirement System for teachers hasn't offfered a COLA since 2002 and probably won't again this year. Some older teachers who retired and in their seventies and eighties probably have to borrow to pay health insurance premiums because their pension checks do not cover the cost of the premium for drugs and health costs. The health premium is taken out before a check is issued or a direct deposit is made. Medicare is the povider of first response but back up is need where Medicare doesn't cover. It is not the elderly that concerns me, it is the young people of this country and their economic future that is in peril. In just seven years this country has ventured to the brink of disater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/11/2008

i am retired from what is now Verizon since 1994 and we NEVER got an increase; NEVER. Big business just gives everything to the top people and rest of us can go to hell. This is mainly Republican rule doing, but Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, signed the telecommunications bill which lets same people own all the tv stations and newspaper, etc. Clinton also put a tax on 85% of social security benefits if you made something like $23,000 or more. He was just as bad as the Repubs; remember that as Hillary bs's her way across the last six states. I'm sorry for pension holders but police and firemen have no right to 90% of their last years pay for retirement just as CEO's have no right to some of their 'golden parachutes'!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 05/11/2008

Bush's "downturn in the economy"

It's real easy to blame Bush for everything in your life but he is just one of many factors in the economy and if you're looking for the government to fix your life . . . well then you are screwed no matter who the president is.

Bush is a moron but he isn't ruining your life, you have that power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 05/11/2008

unbias: Normally I'd agree with you on this, but the "Bush effect" has, indeed, had an unprecedented influence on the current paradigm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/11/2008

Unbias please explain what you think the govt.s purpose IS. It seems to me cheny & co. think it's that "special purpose" up my arse !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/11/2008

No. Its not the accounting practices of state and local governments, its their trusting banks not to wrap these funds up with toxic subprime, alt-A and a plethora of other worthless investments. The banks and investment firms have done this. The great lie of distributing risk of crap loan by mixing it with viable investment capital will do it all in. Too bad the Washington Post can't identify the truth instead point the finger at state governments instead of Bear Stearns, JP Morgan, CitiCorp, WaMu, BofA, Wachovia, et al with the passing of Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/11/2008

Have faith Grasshopper. Soon you will receive your stimulus check. When you feel that stimulation you will know that the invisible hand is real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 05/11/2008