Obama, Clinton signal Florida boycott over

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BRENDAN FARRINGTON | May 20, 2008 06:16 PM EST | AP

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The boycott is over.

Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton will both be in Florida on Wednesday after avoiding the state since last fall.

Obama is seeking to mend fences in a key general election state snubbed by the Democratic National Committee. Clinton is continuing her push to have the state's primary count and its delegates seated at the party's national convention in Denver in August.

"My campaign is actively working with the Clinton campaign, the Florida Democratic Party and the DNC, which is responsible for setting and enforcing these rules, to reach an agreement that will give Floridians a voice at the convention," Obama told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

Obama did not say how he wants the dispute resolved, only that it's important to find a solution so the party can focus on winning the state in November.

Both candidates signed a pledge nine months ago that kept them from campaigning here before the Jan. 29 primary. Other than a rally Clinton held after polls closed that night, neither candidate has campaigned here since the DNC stripped Florida of its delegates in September because its primary was held before Feb. 5.

DNC rules committee members may decide whether restore delegates to Florida _ as well as Michigan, which was also stripped of its delegates _ when they meet on May 31.

Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said the candidate would likely travel to Michigan sometime after her Florida trip to press for the delegates to be seated.

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"They're two of the five remaining events that are going to be very important to determine who the nominee of the Democratic Party is," he said.

Obama, an Illinois senator, announced last week that he was coming to Florida, the largest of the swing states and a crucial battleground in November.

"It's in all of our interests to make sure that this gets resolved as quickly as possible so we can start focusing on the issues that are really going to make a difference in the lives of Floridians," Obama said.

Clinton, a New York senator, plans to hold events in three South Florida counties and will push to count Florida's primary, in which more than 1.7 million Democrats voted. She earned almost 50 percent of that vote, compared to nearly 33 percent for Obama.

The fact that neither campaigned here for months created bitterness among the state's Democrats.

Clinton supporter Ana Cruz, a Tampa-based political adviser and former executive director of the state party, said Obama will have to address the delegate issue while he's in Florida.

"He's coming here to show Florida some love, and rightfully so, but with that being said, there are still a lot of unanswered questions that need to be answered in order for us to properly move forward in this primary process and that is, do we count or not?" said Cruz.

Cruz also said the state's Democrats will have to put the primary mess behind them and unite behind Obama should he win the nomination.

"We cannot continue to act like a circular firing squad," she said.

Florida lawmakers and Republican Gov. Charlie Crist set the primary date in violation of both parties' rules. Republicans lost half their delegates and Democrats were stripped of all. All major Democratic candidates refused to campaign here once the state party decided to stick with the early date.

Obama hasn't campaigned here since August, when he held events in Tallahassee and Miami. His three-day swing will begin with a rally at a 20,000-seat hockey arena in Tampa.

Obama's campaign has started moving staff to the state, with 10 field organizers joining a three-person finance team.

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Associated Press Writer Sara Kugler in Louisville, Ky., contributed to this report.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The boycott is over. Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton will both be in Florida on Wednesday after avoiding the state since last fall...
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The boycott is over. Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton will both be in Florida on Wednesday after avoiding the state since last fall...
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- DMHendrix I'm a Fan of DMHendrix 109 fans permalink
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I just got home from the Obama rally in Tampa. It was packed. The crowd was pumped and very excited to see him in Florida. Don't be fooled...there are a lot of us in Florida who just want to GET ON WITH IT! No one in that crowd was giving Obama ANY kind of grief over delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/21/2008
- OrionGal I'm a Fan of OrionGal 10 fans permalink

Does anyone here know the exact dates and places in Florida where Bill Clinton was campaigning back in January for Hillary ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 05/21/2008

No, I was thinking about that too. I think she showed up their on primary day or the evening to thank them for their votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 05/21/2008
- DMHendrix I'm a Fan of DMHendrix 109 fans permalink
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Yeah, she was also here the day before where she attended a "private" fundraiser in Sarasota. Funny how it was private...because there were people lined up all over the street to see her. I remember questioning a friend of mine, who is a Hillary supporter, about whether or not it was in violation of the agreement. Her response to me was that they could do whatever they wanted to do because Barack had run a commercial on a cable news network. I think the difference was, he sought approval from the DNC when he purchased the ad buy and they ruled that it was not a violation. I never heard anything about the Hillary appearance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 05/21/2008

And furthermore...

Hillary Clinton is doing a grave disservice by going around rabblerousing and demagoguing the MI and FL vote issue. People need to get over the fact that MI and FL didn't have valid elections. She is talking out of both sides of her mouth at once, saying a) all votes should count b) voting should be fair. Well, we don't have a FAIR result from MI and FL. It can't be fair. All of the candidates except Hillary took their names off the ballot in MI. Nobody campaigned in either place by agreement. You can't have an election in which less well known candidates dont get to campaign. That's ridiculous.

But Hillary keeps trying to get the FL people to revolt. Really brilliant move for the party, Hillary. Really annoying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 05/21/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

I watched her speech on TV and got really angry when she whipped them up, saying that they had a RIGHT to have their votes counted in the invalid Florida primary. I was angry not just because the DNC fairly ruled that way after both FL & MI were told their primaries would be invalid if they moved the dates up, but because SHE approved it herself. Think she ever mentioned that to those voters?

Somebody needs to put a bug in the ear of Floridians if they don't know SHE's part of the Democratic "leadership" that approved that move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 05/21/2008

Excellent point.

And the larger picture is that this is the part of Hillary Clinton's character that bothers so many people. And should bother more than it does, apparently. She doesn't deal in good faith. This is a classic example of that - just one of many. Her diehard supporters don't want to hear it or see it for what it is. All politicians spin a little, but she is shameless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 05/21/2008

I just saw Hillary Clinton give her speech on CNN in FL in which she conflated women's suffrage, voting rights, and counting the votes in FL and MI. She is sooo full of it.

a) The constitution does not stipulate that voters have to choose the nominee of a political party. If a party wants to have the latest American Idol winner pick the nominee, they can do it. There is not such thing as the right to vote for a party's nominee.

b) The Democratic Party has rules. FL and MI broke those rules. They have the right to not count those votes. Next time, if you are a state and you are thinking about breaking the party rules, don't!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 05/21/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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Did you see what I just saw?

Now she has the bloody NERVE to compare this situation with Bush v Gore 2000!

And then with the election in Zimbawe!! Incredible nonsense.

I agree with Carville. She has more balls than anyone I've ever seen.

Tonight I was in a mayoral forum for my area.

A woman candidate, the only one in the race,consistently went on and on about her accomplishments, ignoring the time keeper,and pissed a lot of people off.

I heard no less than three OLDER WOMEN walking out, very annoyed, saying
"She's just like Hillary! The rules don't apply to her" or words to that effect.

So it's getting around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 05/22/2008

Continued....

c) Why can't we just relax the rules to make the voters feel that their votes were counted? Well kids, it's like this. The voters didn't to meet the candidates in person. Barack Obama, the new guy, didn't get to campaign against the better known candidate. The voters in FL and MI didn't get to see him in person and feel like he cared about there problems. As Chris Matthews explained to Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago, voters ask two questions:

1. Is he like me? (Does he get me and my problems?)
2. Is he OK?

Voters can't make that assessment if the candidate doesn't show up. Since the MI and FL primaries were called off, guess what? Nobody gets to meet Barack Obama and size him up. And guess what else. Every time Barack showed up some place he got more votes and often came from behind to win. Guess what else. Because of the RULES, Barack didn't show up in MI and FL.

d) How many voters DIDN'T vote in FL and MI because they knew their votes wouldn't count or their candidate's name wasn't on the ballot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 05/21/2008

The Dems in FL and MI should NEVER have let this happen. Even though I'm a Hillary supporter, I agree, she had name recognition as a factor. HOWEVER FOR THE RECORD:

Barack broke the "rules" (or at least side-stepped them) and ran national campaign ads that were aired in FL before the primary. Hillary did not.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_airs_nati.html

Barack also has blocked re-voting there. Probably because it would waste a lot of money and he still wouldn't carry the state. The spread might be closer but we'll never know.

Based on this, I believe the votes should be counted as is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 05/21/2008
- Sparklez I'm a Fan of Sparklez 4 fans permalink

I heard she appeared in the state. You cant technically call it campaigning, but she was there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 05/21/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

A revote based on a mail-in ballot with no system in place to keep it honest?
A revote totally funded by Clinton supporters?
Is this not the same state that let Bush steal the 2000 election?
Hillary Clinton signed an agreement, and had she won the primary as planned, after super Tuesday, the only name recognition Wasserman has, would have been in FL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 05/21/2008
- Sparklez I'm a Fan of Sparklez 4 fans permalink

And that was a national ad, it wasnt targeted at FL voters

Also, like i said previously, do you care that Hillary wouldnt give two sh*ts about those "disenfranchised" voters of she won super tuesday like she wanted to

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/21/2008

I understand why Clinton supporters would cry foul about the ad, but as the article you linked to says, it wasn't possible to exclude FL and MI from the national ad and it didn't violate the pledge. So...that's a very minor point compared to not running a campaign in those states at all.

The charge that Obama has blocked re-voting is Clinton propaganda. There are financial, vote security and logistical problems in revoting. That's not Obama's fault. Don't believe everything you hear out of the Clinton campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 05/21/2008

I completely disagree - the majority of my family lives in Florida and did not bother to vote because they were told that their votes would not count - a LOT of people did not vote for this reason. Last night on CNN Donna Brazile confirmed that neither of the candidates have anything to do with what the DNC decides to do regarding re-voting, counting the votes, etc. HRC supporters are blaming Obama unnecessarily. His staff purchased a NATIONAL ad campaign which included Florida and was unable to make changes to this purchase. Wherever he was able to make the needed changes (i.e. taking his name off the ballot in Michigan), he did so - hence playing by the rules.
Forget the fact that none of this was an issue when Senator Clinton felt that she was winning. It also didn't matter when Florida's voters were disenfranchised in 2000 - I didn't see her campaigning then to have votes count for Gore as I and my family were - Katherine Harris delivered for the GOP as promised but we didn't see anything about the Clintons. It is very hypocritical of her to take this stance now when she has something to gain from the results.
The votes need to be settled, I agree with that but they cannot stand as is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/21/2008

I just got done watching Hillary's speech on CNN in which she conflated women's suffrage, voting rights, and counting the FL and MI votes in the democratic primary. Talk about irritating, she makes me nauseated. On and on with falacious arguments, totally demagoguing the issue. I was yelling at her to shut the *&^#$% up. I used to like the Clintons, but man oh man she pisses me off with her utter bullshit.

a) Americans do NOT have a right to vote in a primary. A political party can create whatever rules they want. If a party wants to let the winner of American Idol pick their nominee -- if those are the rules -- then they can do that. There is no constitutional law that says how a party has to choose its nominee. So the references to "disenfranchising" voters, and the right to vote are pure nonsense.

b) The Democratic Party has rules. FL and MI *broke* those rules. They have to live with the consequences of that. Next time, don't break the *&^#$ rules. It created havoc in the party.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 05/21/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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I know. I too used to be a HUGE Clinton fan.

But it started unravelling for me with the pro war votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 05/22/2008
- Sparklez I'm a Fan of Sparklez 4 fans permalink

I wonder do Clinton supporters care that if she had won Super Tuesday like she wanted to and was ahead, that she wouldnt even be rallying for you now

She said so when she acknowleged with no concern that those votes would not be counted

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 05/21/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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It's starting to feel like Clinton supporters are just not lving on the same planet. Certainly they are not deep thinkers, I think it's safe to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 05/22/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

we have a really interets ing juxtaposition now in that Obama may clinch the nomination this week by fighting tooth and nail to ensure votes in Florida and Michigan are not counted in the same week HBO airs a movie about Bush's efforts to do the exact same thing in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/21/2008
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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Troll alert? Hmmm. It makes me wonder when I read

"Obama may clinch the nomination this week by fighting tooth and nail to ensure votes in Florida and Michigan are not counted in the same week "

Not true. Get your facts straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 05/21/2008
- shubes61 I'm a Fan of shubes61 18 fans permalink

Senator Obama accepted the Michigan Demcratic Party's plan to seat the delegates, 69 to Clinton, 59 to Obama.

Senator Clinton refused to accept it.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002719785

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 05/21/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 337 fans permalink
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Agent Provocateur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/21/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 337 fans permalink
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As I said: I'd rater advise the DNC to leave Michigan alone.

Federal judge: Michigan's presidential primary law unconstitutional
Gordon Trowbridge / Detroit News Washington Bureau

DETROIT -- A federal judge on Wednesday ruled Michigan's presidential primary law unconstitutional and blocked the state from giving voter lists from the Jan. 15 election to the state's major political parties.

U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds agreed with the American Civil Liberties Union, arguing on behalf of several small political parties, that the law's provision giving the list of voters' partisan preference only to the Democratic and Republican parties violated the rights of other parties.

Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer said the ruling may have ended any chances of a new Democratic election to resolve the ongoing dispute over the state's delegation to the Democratic National Convention. The state party, he said, needs the list to ensure that no one who voted in the Republican primary in January votes in any new Democratic contest, as required under the national party's rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/21/2008

Do any of the Floridians posting here know if Obama is going to be anywhere near Gainesville on his 3 day tour? My sister, I'm sure, would love to go see him and the UF area is one of the few counties he won in the primary..... She would be bummed if he came and she missed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/21/2008
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 30 fans permalink
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You can prob. check it out on his website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 05/21/2008

http://florida-delegates.com/pages/dnc-position/senate-statement.php

Excerpts from the above source:

"III. Enforcement of 2008 Delegate Selection Rules

. . . The one exception was Florida, where the legislature passed, and the Governor signed, a law providing for a binding presidential preference primary to take place on January 29, 2008. . . ."

To note: if you read the piece, note that the usual penalty is 50% of the delegates. However, the DNC rules allow for unlimited additional penalties -- which were applied to discount Florida entirely -- 100% out of the loop. This was facilitated by a Republican governor and legislature.

Also, C-span has a video of the Rules & Bylaws Meeting which presented testimony regarding the violation of those rules

Use the link below or search C-Span for this video: Florida 2008 Democratic National Convention

http://www.c-span.org/Search/advanced.asp?AdvancedQueryText=Florida&StartDateMonth=8&StartDateYear=2007&EndDateMonth=8&EndDateYear=2007&Series=&ProgramIssue=&QueryType=&QueryTextOptions=&ResultCount=10&SortBy=bestmatch

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 05/21/2008
- RonNYC I'm a Fan of RonNYC 17 fans permalink
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People forget that Mrs. Clinton flew to Florida the night of the "primary" to thank the people for their "vote." According to the rules of the DNC, the "votes" did not count so I never understood what she was thanking them for.

Good, old, boiler maker drinking Hillary. No rules apply to her. She has her own rules and don't forget it Motherf------r.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 05/21/2008
- ggmome I'm a Fan of ggmome 13 fans permalink

Oh the 'CHAD' state. The last of which Bill can FIX... Many a gallows has been built by some so that they can hang themselves! There's an opening for dog catcher somewhere for you after this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 05/21/2008

Well i hope we can all come together espeicially knowing that the candidate was only following party rules unlike some people and was willing to adress it at the appropriate time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/21/2008

Memo to Hillary...I deplore the commentator on your cleavage....Honestly I know of no other man who would do so,,,,treat it as an aberration darling...ooops misspoke I sowwy,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/21/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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YOu know what?

Sexism is REALLY not helpful here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 05/22/2008
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