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Clinton Rally Organizers: We'll Back Obama If He's Nominee

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May 30, 2008 02:10 AM


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About Seth Colter Walls

Seth Colter Walls is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, MSNBC and Lebanon's Daily Star newspaper. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of New York University. He can be reached at walls@huffingtonpost.com.


"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?"

The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken by one organizer of this weekend's planned demonstration outside the hotel where the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to (maybe) decide the fate of Michigan and Florida's much-disputed delegates -- reflect the widespread sense of persecution that is currently felt among some prominent Democratic activists and fundraisers.

Largely female and supportive of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, these political actors look upon a contest they view as essentially tied and are dumbfounded by the vitriol being directed not only Clinton's way, but at their own efforts to "count every vote" in all the Democratic primaries.

In a series of interviews with The Huffington Post, key figures connected to the WomenCount PAC -- one of the groups sponsoring this weekend's action -- each described this Saturday's rally (or "protest," depending on whom you ask) as reflective of small-d democratic values, and not as an expression of support for any particular candidate. But with the idea of counting Michigan and Florida's compromised polls at full strength seen by Sen. Barack Obama's supporters as a Trojan horse position that would lead to a continued Clinton campaign through the convention, that's proved to be far from an easy sell.

"We are not exclusive from Obama supporters at all," WomenCount communications director Rosemary Camposano insisted. Noting that while most members of the group are Clinton partisans, and that if the newly formed group had been created at the beginning of the primary process "we probably would have endorsed Clinton," Composano said the focus for now is on "supporting progressive ideas for women."

That, and counting all the votes from the controversial Florida and Michigan primaries. Regardless, Camposano said that the group has invited several prominent Obama backers to co-headline this Saturday's speaking lineup, but admitted they have not had any significant RSVPs on that score.

Still, they say their efforts have been a success, if for no other reason than the outpouring of support they've received from women who feel as intensely about this race as they have about any other in the past.

"When we formed WomenCount PAC, we had been hearing for several weeks a low rumbling of outrage, that it was not understood that women wanted to be heard and recognized in this race as an important voting block," Camposano said. "Instead we're constantly being cast as whining women. The PAC formed exactly two weeks and two days ago during a meeting in an office in New York, and we raised $250,000 in four days. ... It's been a massive viral thing, and I have not slept in two weeks."

But what particularly rankles some of the group's key backers is the sneaking sense that they're getting dissed by the Obama campaign. Earlier this week, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe seemed to characterize the group's efforts as an attempt to "create chaos" around the DNC meeting. For many of these women, his remark seemed of a piece with the systematic denigration of female political participation that inspired them to organize in the first place. Activist Jill Iscol said she found Plouffe's remarks "somewhat insulting," and that the message the group has sent out to demonstrators is that Saturday's event should be "a peaceful, fun day, during which we send a message to the DNC that they need to count every vote."

Sharp criticism of Obama advisers was, tellingly, a common thread among all those connected to this Saturday's rally who spoke to the Huffington Post -- one of whom even went so far as to describe Obama strategist David Axelrod as "Karl Rove on steroids." On ABC's This Week last Sunday, Axelrod predicted that, if for no other reason than to block pro-life Sen. John McCain, Democratic women would vote for the junior senator from Illinois this fall regardless of his choice for VP or how the question of Clinton's campaign is ultimately resolved. Another prominent fundraiser who asked not to be named described that attitude as "not helpful" in terms of getting the Clinton women on Obama's side if he indeed winds up being the nominee.

Not one of this weekend's key organizers sought to criticize Obama directly, however. Several even offered him praise. And paradoxically, given the level of distaste for Axelrod's assumption of their ostensible fall support, all of the WomenCount organizers predicted a fast Democratic healing should Obama emerge victorious -- but not, perhaps, for the same reasons Obama advisers anticipate.

Put simply, according to one activist: "Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee."

 
 

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- groosemoose See Profile I'm a Fan of groosemoose permalink

This process would have been a lot less divisive, a lot more civil, had more Hillaristas like the above engaged in reasonable arguments, and less Harriet Christians.

I still have never heard one sufficient defense of Hillary signing away Florida's voting rights, and only changing her mind now that she needs them. Not one decent explanation for why that's not blatant cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 06/01/2008
- ImlayinMyRearViewMirror See Profile I'm a Fan of ImlayinMyRearViewMirror permalink

Who really cares who the Hillary groupies vote for in November? Their sense of loyalty is entirely gender-based anyway. Hillary could have said or done nearly anything, no matter how outrageous, and they still would have supported her. They are people who are incapable of making important decisions based on anything but raw emotion. Good riddance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 06/01/2008
- scire See Profile I'm a Fan of scire permalink

well, the rally has happened. And the media didn't have to paint the protestors the way this woman is worried it would. Their behavior spoke for itself to anybody who watched the live coverage on TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/01/2008
- Sixtwo See Profile I'm a Fan of Sixtwo permalink

What network were you watching?!!! Those protestors rudely shouted at speakers so much so that the Chair had a fulltime job using the gavel. At one point, near the end, the Chair asked for security help bring order in the room. The media just didn't choose to "paint the protestors" the way this woman was worried about. We know they were Clinton supporters because they kept yeling "Denver, Denver." i watched the ENTIRE coverage, including the 3-hour wait for the Committee to return from lunch break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 06/01/2008
- Fulcanelli See Profile I'm a Fan of Fulcanelli permalink

Bush waited at least until he was elected to break the rules, our laws, with over 700 'signing statements'. It was an arrogant, naked power grab by the Executive branch. Period.

Hillary Clinton's willingness to break the rules when it suits her after she signed on to them, even with a number of her backers being instrumental in constructing them shows contempt, little regards for the "rules" and a poisonous sense of entitlement like Bush and she hasn't even been elected yet.

So we have arrogance and a sense of entitlement.

Adding insult to injury she chants the 'every vote must count' mantra, after she and her backers approved of denying these same voters of their right to have their vote counted when she didn't think she'd need them.

So now we have self-serving hypocrisy wrapped in the flag.

Sensing the nomination slipping away, she courts the right wing media smear machine and her handlers fire up voters with hot button issues helping to distract, divide and inflame people she wants to support her in the Democratic party, a la Karl Rove.

Now we add divisiveness, a willingness to use propaganda and political stunts.

After 8 years of Bush, Rove and Cheney I'm going to vote for this?

Then Hillary supporters get insulted and wonder why we say "She's a Republican", there's no way I'd vote for her.

No, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 05/31/2008
- JamesInDenver See Profile I'm a Fan of JamesInDenver permalink

We need an intervention, not a convention. Hillary's core supporters need to be taken away by family and friends for several months of deprogramming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/31/2008
- smayhew See Profile I'm a Fan of smayhew permalink

Sick.
How dare you continue to insult us.

I won't vote for a candidate who's supporters are this sick

You're about to get blow back because of just such a disrespectful remark. Get ready for President McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 05/31/2008
- majorteddy See Profile I'm a Fan of majorteddy permalink

How do you know some of these people being nasty to you are not just Republicans screwing with you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/31/2008
- lokipuck See Profile I'm a Fan of lokipuck permalink

Taking your ball and going home?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 05/31/2008
- eastutican See Profile I'm a Fan of eastutican permalink


Gee, how gracious. Having "disrespected" Obama for the last twelve months as an upstart, line-cutting, incompetent, affirmative-action-baby, the Clintons' supporters have no shortage of gall. Who played the sex, race and class "cards" ?? Hillary. Who has morons like the CEO of Black Entertainment and Ferraro baying at the moon ?? Hillary. And who has so much baggage that she requires a separate train to lug it around as she traipses around the country trying to get the votes of all those Wallace-Reagan, gun-totin', bible-thumpin', hard workin' white folk ?? Hillary.

Give me a break. Can we, please, take a break from all the personal drama ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/31/2008
- smayhew See Profile I'm a Fan of smayhew permalink

Now Barack comes up against a man - no more media/blog misogyny, no more Olbermann rants who's transcripts are being distributed to major news agencies...
And no Clinton supporters voting for Rev Wright's favorite boy.
Enjoy the free-fall - it will really be exciting, I'm sure.
We will not vote for Obama.
Did you really think that we'd come over to your side by continuing to insult us? Is EVERY Obama supporter in Junior High (and high)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 05/31/2008
- patmancando See Profile I'm a Fan of patmancando permalink

The Democratic party thinks we will all march in step behind Obama. They are delusional. Not after the deceptive, deceitful, disgusting dirty campaign he has run, by surrogate. He is responsible for his campaign, even though he thinks he can stay above the fray and let others do the dirty work for him. We have been trying to tell you in exit poll data, but you go on thinking that Dems are Dems and they will support the party nominee in the end. It seems that McCain, at least, has some scruples and principles.

I just hope that the Dems don't lose the Congress as well because then there will be more appointments to the Supreme Court that are not blocked. but is is a chance many are willing to take because we are not going to have a nominee shoved down our throats. It was obvious today at the televised DNC rules committee that is what the Democratic party thinks, or they wouldn't have insisted upon settling the MI and Fl votes is such a way that it would not jeopardize Obama's coronation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 05/31/2008
- lokipuck See Profile I'm a Fan of lokipuck permalink

It's fortunate for us (and democracy) that there are far fewer crazy Clingon supporters than you would have us think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 05/31/2008
- dawlishgal See Profile I'm a Fan of dawlishgal permalink

What utter bullcrap. At the same time Hillary's supporters are pretending to be willing to compromise, they are circulating multiple petitions on the web to get people to sign their names to promises to not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. These people are so deluded that they think that their own unfairness and obstructiveness will seem attractive enough to party higher-ups that party leaders will be willing to be blackmailed and threatened into giving the nomination to her even though she refuses to follow the very rules that she agreed to at the outset of the campaign and she is behind Obama in fairly acquired delegates.

It reminds me of my years in the advertising agency biz where people were always promising big stuff, then scewing you by going elsewhere for more money and taking your clients with them.

Hillary will be pulling a bait and switch on her supporters. If she gets the nomination and their votes, she will go back to pretending she doesn't see them (while frolicking with her elitist friends from Martha's Vineyard and the Renaissance Weekend.).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/31/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

I went on line to find the petitions you said are from H.C Campaign or supporters trying to blackmail the DNC by threatening to vote McCain if Obama gets the nod.In the first four pages I googleled I only found one for her,,hat petitoned the DNC to accept the Mi, Fla votes from her campaign( there was no mention of witholding votes on it) and about twenty from Obama supporters demanding she concede ( they'd been running a while). so I think your accusation represents a double standard when you accuse petition signers as "blackmailers"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/31/2008
- smayhew See Profile I'm a Fan of smayhew permalink

Another Obama supporter speaks his/her 'mind'

"the country held hostage by a small group of uninformed hill-botts.
blame hillary for this.
she signed the pledges and agreed to the rules but now whips up the most ignorant people she can find to support her lying azz.
pathetic."

No insult is too demeaning. These people represent the saddest failures of the system. Their hatred is that of the lynch mob and the rapist.
No thinking person can join them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 05/31/2008
- ann1 See Profile I'm a Fan of ann1 permalink

I wish they'd stop speaking for all women

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 05/31/2008
- groosemoose See Profile I'm a Fan of groosemoose permalink

ITA. They don't speak for me.

Feminist for Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 06/01/2008
- jadez See Profile I'm a Fan of jadez permalink

the country held hostage by a small group of uninformed hill-botts.

blame hillary for this.
she signed the pledges and agreed to the rules but now whips up the most ignorant people she can find to support her lying azz.

pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/31/2008
- XME See Profile I'm a Fan of XME permalink

"...all of the WomenCount organizers predicted a fast Democratic healing should Obama emerge victorious -- but not, perhaps, for the same reasons Obama advisers anticipate. Put simply, according to one activist: 'Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee.'"

So...they're going to vote for whomever Hillary tells them to vote for, not for the candidate who supports their views and issues the best? I'm sorry, but that's pathetic...and I'm a woman! If that comment alone doesn't prove that they care more about making this a "women's lib campaign" than what this campaign is SUPPOSED to be about, I don't know what does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 05/31/2008
- marijam See Profile I'm a Fan of marijam permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 05/31/2008
- thedirtman See Profile I'm a Fan of thedirtman permalink

"We will back Obama *if* he is the nominee"

And Obama becomes the nominee when? I believe that was last month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 05/31/2008
- ZandyS See Profile I'm a Fan of ZandyS permalink
Moderator's Pick

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Hi all,

I am sitting here reading this blog, and something just hit me, so I"ll have to digress.

I am a middle aged white male, kind of funny to hear myself say that, well, type, but you know what I mean. I am sitting here and reading posts, and it hit me; until I see somebody identifies themselves as white or black, I cannot tell the ethnicity of a person posting a message. Just something to think about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 05/31/2008
- heal57 See Profile I'm a Fan of heal57 permalink

In reality, we are all humanity's brothers and sisters. We just go astray sometimes.


Independent for Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 06/01/2008
- smayhew See Profile I'm a Fan of smayhew permalink

Isn't it interesting that with all the hatred of Clinton - although you recognize the misogyny, women and men equally practice it with venom.
Just something to think about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 05/31/2008
- ObamAtomic See Profile I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic permalink

What about other ethnics group? The world do not go around Black or White
I am sitting here and reading your post,you can be a a sexy female, criminal on
probation, foreign national,CIA,FBI,or a personality disorder patient,I will
tell you something; This is the internet,we are whoever we want to be!
If I believe you are a middle aged white male,you are the full package?
You know,who I m , a Saudi Prince,something for you to think about!
No Punch Intended , back to you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/31/2008
- progressiveamerican See Profile I'm a Fan of progressiveamerican permalink

Ya al who call we hil fans elliterate r knot beng nice. 1/2 of Obummers suportars are dum as dirt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 05/31/2008
- kristin See Profile I'm a Fan of kristin permalink

Ya, 50% of all people have a below average IQ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/31/2008
- tbone99 See Profile I'm a Fan of tbone99 permalink

good point, and they vote too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 05/31/2008
- thedirtman See Profile I'm a Fan of thedirtman permalink

We Obama elitists welcome all Hillary supporters. We don't require a written test. Just have your application completed and leave it at the window.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 05/31/2008
- smayhew See Profile I'm a Fan of smayhew permalink