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Eating A Reuben Amidst A Crowd Of Protesting Clintonites

First Posted: 06/08/08 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:35 PM ET

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Updated below with video of angry Clinton supporter being escorted from the building.


When is a Reuben sandwich not just a Reuben sandwich? When one eats it amidst a denizen of rabidly committed, frequently vitriolic, and unapologetically devoted Hillary Clinton supporters.

The scene at Harry's Pub in the Marriott Hotel, downstairs from the site of the Rules and Bylaws Committee hearing, was emblematic of the double-edged sword that has become the Democratic primary. One the one hand was the political passion: the willingness to stand in solidarity over the idea of counting the votes in Michigan and Florida, even if such a protest was scheduled on a Saturday under torrential rain.

On the other hand were the battered emotions: the ardent vows to not support Sen. Barack Obama under any circumstances, the insistence that every insidious rumor concerning the Illinois Democrat was grounded in fact, the belief that the party itself had conspired in an effort to tear down the Clintons.

With half a dozen flat screen televisions turned to CNN, it was not difficult to ascertain just where the political and emotional center of the crowd stood. A table of three women did not deal in discretion. A sampling of their punditry:

"[Obama] is a cult. His campaign is an anti-woman cult."

"I will actively campaign against him."

"You know who is backing him is George Soros. It'll be George Soros, not Obama, who is running the country."

"South Dakota is totally rigged for Obama because of Tom Daschle. Obama's going to win South Dakota because he's buying it and rigging it."

"[Obama] is a socialist! You know what the Nazi Party was before it was the Nazi Party? It was the Socialist Party."

It was not all that different from the mood outside, where signs read, "At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen," and some pamphlets detailed Obama's supposed dealings in drugs and gay sex. The latter being handed out by Larry Sinclair, the youtube opportunist who has claimed to have had an affair with the Senator.

"Would you rather have a president who had an affair [Bill Clinton] or one who was a murderer [Obama]?" Eve Fairbanks, a reporter with The New Republic, was asked by one protester.

Back in Harry's, passions did not ebb. Amidst the chatter came raucous cheers for any Clinton surrogate whose face popped up on the television screen. They were countered by derisive boos when CNN cut to a clip of DNC Chairman Howard Dean. It didn't matter what he said. You couldn't hear it over the crowd's hissing.

I approached a group of Clinton supporters sitting at the bar to pinpoint, exactly, the foundation of their emotions. Almost unanimously they agreed that if Florida and Michigan weren't seated in their entirety, they would never vote for Obama.

As women, were they comfortable with a candidate like John McCain who could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade?

"Oh don't pull that argument," said Valerie Duhaime of Florida. "Obama did not support a filibuster of [Supreme Court Justice Samuel] Alito and he was for [Chief Justice] John Roberts before he was against him."

Within the pub's confines, Obama was not the only persona non grata. The media, too, occupied a dark place in the crowd's heart. The group at the bar went through a litany of websites that they no longer read -- including the Huffington Post. "I only watch the BBC," said Duhaime. "We are outsourcing the fourth estate."

Shortly after revealing my publication, I was turned away. No worries, my lunch, a Reuben sandwich, had arrived. I pulled up my chair to the table and sat down to eat. Minutes later a chant began around me.

"HuffPost sucks! HuffPost sucks!" and later, "Fox News, fair and balanced! Fox News, fair and balanced!"

Update: As caught by Firedoglake, late in the day an angry Clinton supporter was escorted from the building after she went on a tirade blasting Barack Obama, a racial double standard, and the Democratic Party. "I'm no second class citizen," she declares, "and god damn the Democrats."

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04:58 PM on 06/04/2008
So, Fox News and company roll out the red carpet for Hillary while constantly blasting Obama.

And these people fall for it. They even fall (hook, line and sinker) for the same race card that the right has played so well to incite many to vote against their own economic self-interest.

Nevermind that Hillary and Barack's positions on the real issues that affect their lives are 99.9% indistinguishable. Nevermind that McCain's positions on most of these same issues are diametrically opposed.

They'll vote for McCain out of pure emotion and spite. Then, they'll sit around wondering why they have no healthcare or gas money and why more of America's brave young men and women are being sent off to die in a foreign land.

Obvioulsy, there's something the matter with more than just Kansas:

http://www.tcfrank.com/wmk.html
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04:37 PM on 06/04/2008
sounds like most of the women there are like spoiled little kids boo hoo hoo if my candidate can't win I'll take me ball and go home so there. or maybe limbaugh zipper heads
04:01 PM on 06/04/2008
I watched the hearing Saturday almost in it's entirety. The rabid Hillary supporters acted like the rabid repugs in 2000 during the recount. Anyone who will vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get the nod needs a serious reality check. Get it together people! McCain will finish off this once great nation. Take a deep look at what has been cut from our budget for this crazy war that McCain wants to stay in. You think gas and food is high now?? Don't vote against you're interest (and mine) out of spite.

Someone said that in a democracy, you get the government you deserve. We sure don't deserve anymore of this crap!
03:55 PM on 06/04/2008
Harriett mentions that she has always been treated like a second class citizen. I wonder how.
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01:46 PM on 06/04/2008
This woman Harriett does NOT speak for me....

I completely DISAGREE with most if not all of Harriett's rant...

I knew thisother female person from Manhattan.. She was the same way.. Bossy, Loud and WRONG...

are they all like this in New York..??? Gues this what life is like, nasty, when a person subjected to rudness and contemted all their lives... (scarry)

I live in Montana,,, yes, the GREAT BIG SKY Country where we know how to pick presidents.. and rowdy Govenors.......

I believe Barack Obama will be a great president and the next VP slot should be his call not Hillary Clinton's.

Hillary will go down in history as the.... WOMAN WHO NEVER "LEFT"..... (there's a joke in there.)
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01:33 PM on 06/04/2008
Way to play right into a stereotype of maniacally deranged women. That's actually a compliment. Most of them are probably bigots, the type that make up stories about Black men and rapists.

It's interesting how they (disingeuously) talk about respect yet they forgot that the ultimate act of disrespect of Hillary came from Bill. Oops, that's one of those inconvenient details.
04:17 PM on 06/04/2008
I AM GLAD THAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS DID NOT ACT LIKE PEOPLE DID. i glad we
remembered our HOME TRAINING
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09:54 AM on 06/04/2008
They can call us uneducated white racists with impunity (which is what the RNC was hoping for! The politics of division...) but when we refer to the "black" support for Obama we cross the race card line. WHAT HYPOCRISY! If Clinton is NOT on the ticket with Obama, John McCain will be the next president of the United States and you all can kiss your republic good bye! The ONLY way Obama can win is if Clinton is his VP. Or by stealing the election, which, if the past year of biased news coverage continues in Obama's favor, is entirely possible. Let's hope the media don't turn their propaganda machine on Obama now...as they did Clinton! RFK smear! what a sad pathetic joke and too many fell for it!
06:04 AM on 06/04/2008
You know what .. I agree with this woman. You young kids wanted your rockstar, well you got him. I was a Hillary Clinton supporter .. now I am a John McCain supporter.
08:01 AM on 06/04/2008
You know what? It's just politics. I hope you can keep your lunch down voting for McCain.

I do not like the Clinton's at all. It's a joke in my family to not bring Hillary up in conversation - but I would vote for her in a second against John McCain. The present election is too vital for this country. We are on the edge of a precipice and you'd have your feelings hurt?
01:24 PM on 06/04/2008
You sound like a 5 year old. But the GOP is counting on such pettiness in order to keep the White House. This goes to prove, we get the government we deserve...
03:16 AM on 06/04/2008
Reading of this protest just makes me sad.

I recall watching Mitt Romney concede to Senator McCain what now seems like ages ago, and I can't help but envy the Republicans' solidarity. If only Senator Clinton had the decency to acknowledge the all-but-inevitable--even by as late as April 22nd--I wouldn't think so poorly of her. But to watch her continue to hurt the Democrats' chances even now, after Senator Obama has gained enough delegates to secure the nomination, it's just so disappointing. I wonder if she has enough integrity left in her to try and clean up this mess she's made.
10:15 PM on 06/03/2008
When I was 10, I had an old Siamese cat that lived in constant pain. I agreed with my Dad she should be put out of her misery, and he, being miserly, got a bottle of ether, a rag and a paper bag and went to the garage with those and my cat Sheba. My dad asked if I wanted to give her a peaceful death- I couldn't do it. I held her and kissed her goodbye, and closed the garage door.

He couldn't give her a peaceful rest either: she fought all the way to the obvious. It was the only time I ever saw my Dad cry in my lifetime. He wanted, wished and expected it would be easy, quick and painless.
06:38 PM on 06/04/2008
Thank you for your thoughtful post and having the courage to share what is in your heart.
07:13 PM on 06/03/2008
Well, for all of you Hillary supporters who vow to vote for McCain as a way to "show us," especially if you are woman making such a stupid, uneducated, ill-thought-out remark, you might want to think about this: McCain does not like women. He called his wife a c**nt in front of a group of people and his answer to women getting equal pay as men is that "women need to get more education." He wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade. You might want to get yourselves in check and get over it.
11:53 AM on 06/04/2008
Hear hear! Any democrat that would not vote or vote with McSame in the fall because their preferred candidate didn't make the cut is worse than stupid. It's similar to the idiots that voted Nader in 2000, consigning us all to 8 years of Bonzo and Darth Vader. Grow up people. Hillary herself said that she and Obama are not far apart on the issues. But Obama and Gramps McCain are. If you can't bring yourself to see that, we'll I just feel sorry for you.
06:13 PM on 06/04/2008
The people who voted for Nader in 2000 are the people supporting Obama in 2008. But thanks for playing.
01:41 PM on 06/04/2008
Unfortunately, these Clinton zealots are not thinking down the road. They don't care about how their pettiness will affect their own rights under a 3rd term of the Bush agenda. The fact that many more brave soldiers will continue to die in an illiegal war carried on by McSame. Or that big business will continue to be given a free pass to destroy the middle class in their ongoing search for profit. Or even that as women, their own status will be further reduced to 2nd class citizens. They just wanna teach Obama a lesson. In the end they will end up with the president they deserve.
06:30 PM on 06/03/2008
I have just viewed the video responses to Harriet Christian. I am a Hillary supporter.
The videos are very, very good. They warmed my heart.


I wouldn't worry about Harriet. She needs a good meal and a hot date and she'll be fine.
03:38 PM on 06/03/2008
I can't decide whether Ms. Christian's comments sadden or anger me. I do know both emotions are extremely intense. I lay this at Hillary's feet as she has incited her constituency by using both the gender and race (when it suited her) cards often to not only garner votes but to destroy her opponent’s campaign. She and her husband have consistently complained that she has been mistreated and unfairly attacked, but in review of the entire campaign she has been the attacker. Her behavior in this campaign has be that of a "Junkyard Dog" She couldn't find it in herself to apologize for implying that assassination could get her into the White House or stop herself from innuendoes and covert suggestions regarding her opponent faith and ethnicity. Because she couldn’t distinguish herself from Obama on policy, she went on a damaging personal attack.

She is quick to demand that her opponent denounce, repudiate and throw under the bus anyone, any comments and/or behaviors that she finds offensive, personally or otherwise. Where is her denunciation of this supporter? I use to have such admiration for the Clintons, especially Hillary. This campaign has shown me a side of them both that is completely unacceptable. The fact that they will say and do anything to accomplish there goal is a very disturbing revelation.

If Obama is smart, he will not place her in any position that would allow her to ascend to the top position should anything (God Forbid) happen to him.
12:39 PM on 06/03/2008
Note to all the whacked out Clinton supporters out there--please join the GOP immediately. I love to hear all the racist stuff from you guys too. Very enlightening. Your candidate sucks, she is a lying pro-war self-serving political hack. Talk about cults all you want to. You wackos certainly know a lot about cults
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04:02 PM on 06/03/2008
I agree. I hope those whack jobs don't let the door him them in the ass on their way to voting for McCain and overturning Roe Vs Wade.
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10:03 PM on 06/03/2008
Don't be a sore winner.
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01:06 PM on 06/04/2008
It'd be a lot easier if you guys weren't such sore losers
12:16 PM on 06/03/2008
im slower than usual...i didnt get the "rueben" joke.