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First Posted: 06/08/08 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:35 PM ET

The Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee decision on Saturday to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations to the Democratic conventions with their voting strength cut in half is a major boost for Barack Obama, and a clear signal that the long and bitter fight for the nomination is on the verge of ending.

With the deck stacked against them, the Clinton forces may have had no choice but to abandon their demand that every Michigan and Florida delegate be seated with a full vote for each. In making the concession, the New York Senator not only settled for a net gain of just 26.5 delegate votes instead of 56, but gave up a crucial issue to take to the August convention in Denver.

"The Clinton campaign lost their biggest rationale for staying in the race," said California-based Democratic consultant Bill Carrick. "Any potential for Senator Clinton to pick up a large block of delegates is gone and the superdelegates will likely move to Senator Obama and end the race."

Jim Jordan, who managed John Kerry's 2004 presidential bid during its preliminary stages, was more explicit. "Even the Clinton folks acknowledged that this was their last gasp. So that's it. Time to turn to what matters, winning in November. And it's time for Senator Clinton herself to start salving the party's wounds."

Officially, the Clinton campaign declared that it was not giving up its right to appeal the decision of the Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) to the full convention over a relatively minor issue - four Michigan delegates given to Obama -- but, by accepting the resolution of the Florida seating issue without dissent, the campaign lost its strongest case.

Obama emerged from the RBC proceedings with a grand total of 2,052 delegates, just 66 short of the 2,118 required to win the nomination. Clinton has 1,877.5 delegates, 240.5 short of the number needed to win.

There are still three primaries to go -- in Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana. Polling shows Clinton holding a double digit lead in Puerto Rico, while Obama holds a comparable lead in South Dakota and Montana. The three jurisdictions will send a total of 111 delegates to the convention, so that it is possible Obama could reach the magic 2,118 by the end of the day Tuesday, but he is likely to also need additional support from superdelegates who are free to make their own choice of a candidate.

Shortly after the RBC completed deliberations, Clinton's chief strategists on the committee, Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy, declared that they may still fight over four delegates from Michigan:

Today's results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party's nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party's convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.


We strongly object to the Committee's decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan's delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan. The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan's delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

A credentials fight over four delegates would be just a blip on the screen compared to what could have been a convention floor battle over the seating of 210 Florida and 156 Michigan delegates.

Robert Bauer, counsel to the Obama campaign, noted that the committee decision "does remove one obstacle. It is not clear she [Clinton] will see it that way."

Jonathan M. Prince, deputy manager of John Edwards' failed presidential bid, said "everything that's going on now is (and should be) about dignified closure....there's no good guy and no bad guy and it's in everyone's interest for both candidates to leave the field with their heads held high - one having run a historic race and winning, ready to unite the party and move on to the real fight, the other having run a historic race and almost winning."

Similarly, Robert Borosage, president of the Institute for America's Future and co-director of the Campaign for America's Future, said "This is all but over." He predicted a scenario of, "the Clintons accept the inevitable. The convention is unified. Hillary Clinton works harder than any other surrogate to elect the ticket."

"There is a new sheriff in town, [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi," said Democratic media specialist James Duffy. "In my mind she is driving the bus, and she will drive it right over the Clintons and if they miss the fact they got run over, she will back up and run over them again."

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01:43 PM on 06/02/2008
I think, many comments here adress an issue many readers feel the same about: The convention's compromise on behalf of MI and FL voters. Let me tell you a little story (In fact somewhat similar to Awakenedcitizen's one):

Your favourite football team is going to have an important game and you're one of it's supporters. But just before you leave the house for the game, local news announce that the game is cancelled because of bad weather. So your team stays home, as there is no reason to attend a game which doesn't take place. But it turns out that your opponent's team did play (without you) nevertheless, because the weather was not so bad after all. Afterwards they claim victory and that the points be counted.
So, was it stupid of your team not to show up? And did your opponent's team make a good decision to play and to claim the score? I think there would be an outrage. Or laughter.

Another one: It's claimed that Sen. Clinton won the majority of the popular vote. I understand that this is only possible by ignoring the caucuses. Now consider this: You're watching a football game. What would happen if, after the game, someone suggested that only the scored touchdowns be counted and the field goals be dismissed? Outrage to the second/hysterical laughter?

Basically, what are rules good for if they don't get obeyed?
Anyway, the morale: do more sports and become better politicians.
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mom2sons
INever doubt that a group of comitted citizens can
12:02 PM on 06/02/2008
Cracked me up with asking Puerto Ricans to go to her website. She has no shame! RBC gave her the SMACKDOWN! ROTFLMAO
11:39 PM on 06/01/2008
I will take the fight to Waterloo
-Napoléon Bonaparte

I will take the fight to the Little Bighorn
-George Armstrong Custer

I will take the fight to the convention
-Hillary Rodham Clinton

I wouldn’t do that if I were you
-Sun Tzu

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08:26 PM on 06/01/2008
Hillary is a carpet bagging sack and utterly useless politician...just like her husband. Even if the dems lose in november i for one will be glad to see the door hitting them on their way out!!!
08:18 PM on 06/01/2008
Senator Wexler sounds like he should be the next pastor at Trinity. What a fanatic!
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M.S. Bellows, Jr.
09:38 PM on 06/01/2008
Were you listening to the same Wexler I heard? He was the sanest -- and the sincerest in his passion -- of everyone there.Sen. Nelson, on the other hand -- anyone else think he looks, sounds and thinks just like Charlton Heston at an NRA Convention? Yergh.
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GingerB
09:45 PM on 06/01/2008
He's not a senator, he's in the House of Representatives, a very valuable member.

Don't you ever do any research before commenting?
08:06 PM on 06/01/2008
Perfect Republican ad against Wexler--Isn't it ironic that a Democrat doesn't want to have a 1 person: 1 vote rule. Looks like the Democrats' frustration in the 2000 Fla recount was just all show. How can you trust a Democrat to have a fair election?
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M.S. Bellows, Jr.
09:44 PM on 06/01/2008
He never once gave a sound bite saying he was against one person one vote. He said he wanted the delegation seated, and he said that the specific challenge before them was the Ausman one and that the committee should grant it, and he (appropriately) turned every question that implied Obama was somehow at fault for the problem back onto the RBC itself, which is who disenfranchised those voters themselves. He was brilliant.
02:52 AM on 06/02/2008
Because one was just had in spite of Hillary Clinton's lies to the contrary.
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dhinds
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08:03 PM on 06/01/2008
I just received the following email signed by Hillary Rodham Clinton:

Dear D,

Another big win! Today in Puerto Rico, the voters spoke with a powerful voice to say that this race is not over yet. And thanks to your support, we're celebrating another great victory.

When all the votes in Puerto Rico are counted, our popular vote lead will be even bigger. More than 17 million people have cast their ballots for our campaign, more votes than any candidate has received in the history of the Democratic Party. Now there can be no doubt: the people have spoken and you have chosen your candidate. We are winning the popular vote.

Every time the pundits count us out -- every time they declare the race over -- you, the voters, send a clear message that you have another idea. And you and I just keep winning races together.

Now there are just two contests left, the final primaries in South Dakota and Montana. I know I can rely on your support for these last two races, just as I have throughout the campaign.

Thank you so much for everything,
Hillary Rodham Clinton

Now all she needs is to stonewall the DP into changing the rules governing the selection of the Democratic Party's Presidential Candidate, eliminating the Delegates.
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dhinds
A Collection of Quotable Gems
09:49 PM on 06/01/2008
I predict HRC will continue in the same vein until BO has enough votes to assure his nomination (which he will accomplish by Friday at the latest), at which point she will attempt to negotiate the terms under which she will adhere to his campaign and ask her supporters to do the same.
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dhinds
A Collection of Quotable Gems
10:02 PM on 06/01/2008
Sorry about the duplication.
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dhinds
A Collection of Quotable Gems
10:00 PM on 06/01/2008
I predict: HRC will continue in the same vein until BO has enough delegates to assure the nomination (which he will accomplish by Friday at the latest), at which point she will finalize the terms of a negotiation with Obama's organization, support his candidacy, participate in his campaign and ask her supports to do the same.

Any bets?

Doing any less would put her seat in the Senate at risk in two years and she's unlikely to run as an independent.
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Bettysdad
The arc of human history is to the left.
10:17 PM on 06/01/2008
I doubt that the Clintons will do any serious campaigning for Obama. That would be admitting she was wrong.
11:19 AM on 06/02/2008
dhinds You can't perdict crazy people.
08:02 PM on 06/01/2008
To hear the Obama supporters is laughable. They literally sound like the Republicans in 2000 preventing the legitimate count of Fla's votes.
06:00 AM on 06/02/2008
What I continue to wonder is; exactly how do people who talk shit, obfuscate, spin, and lie in their attempt to get other's to believe something is true - just because they are 'saying it is so' - people like Hillary and her zealots, feel at the end of the day. Is it some sort of mumbling, perverse self-satisfaction? Is it pride?
07:41 AM on 06/02/2008
What is laughable is that YOUR guy Ickes help create this situation.

Look, a group of DEMOCRATS decided that Florida and Michigan should have "some" votes, despite having broke party rules.

You may be miffed your candidate wasn't coronated in a fashion to your liking. You may be lamenting your 11th hour conversion to the concept that Florida and Michigan should be fully rewarded for what YOUR PEOPLE thought was an honest punishment for bad behavior.

You have lost the delegate count and so many other things. Quit whining, quit expecting the whole damn enchilada when you haven't even earned a full half of it, and quit believing everything will go your way if you scream loud enough.

It is called gracefully exiting a campaign. Look it up.
11:38 AM on 06/02/2008
WWJd2 forgot to take your meds too. ( Darnamell, ) You are right. He designed
these rules this brilliant lawyer alone with MS. Wonderful, and now like
Donna Brazile saids you don't like the rules and you want to change them.

Ickes should be looking for a slow boat to China before she gives in., because once this crazy woman has to thrown in the towel. OH>>>>>>>>>>>Boy I would love to be a fly on the wall.

WWjd2 stop your whinning and grow the Hell up, and tell your crazy
leader to do the same. Hillary Clinton is Embrassing to woman and shamless.
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Bettysdad
The arc of human history is to the left.
06:29 PM on 06/01/2008
Let's play a little game.

Imagine that Mrs. Bill Clinton was never in the race, but instead we had one of the original candidates (Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich, Gravel, Edwards) running against Obama. Pretend Obama has all the results he has now, and that his opponent has the identical Hillary results. Now, try to imagine what the tone and language used by the candidates and their supporters would be like.

Now, Imagine that Barack Obama was never in the race, and that one of the original candidates was running against Mrs. Bill Clinton. This time she gets her identical results from the real campaign, and her opponent gets Obama's results. Again, try to imagine what the tone and language used by the candidates and their supporters would be like.

Do you now see were the problem lies?
11:44 AM on 06/02/2008
Bettysdad, I do see where the problem lies, Hillary is crazy and doesn't take her
meds on regular basis, and she doesn't have a friend or family member who
can control her
05:24 PM on 06/01/2008
Waiting for Hillary's "victory" speech. I can't stand the manic, eye-popping smile and the grating voice, so its wine and a movie for me. Have a great evening all Obama supporters. As for the others, I don't really care.
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05:58 PM on 06/01/2008
Agreed and doing the same. Got my white wine and watching Braveheart now instead of Hillary's speech. Can no longer take that annoying voice either!
07:44 AM on 06/02/2008
I'll be honest. Unless it was a debate or a really significant sound bite, I've been tuning her out for months now. She doesn't speak for me and has rejected any reason I would have had to vote for her a long time ago.

You pander to racists, you lose me immediately. Heck, the only other voice I automatically turn off the tv or radio for is Bush. That probably says something there.
04:43 PM on 06/01/2008
Fired Up! Ready to Go!!
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04:44 PM on 06/01/2008
Gina! I'm fired up! Ready to Go!!
04:47 PM on 06/01/2008
Alright Braveheart1! Let's do this!
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04:13 PM on 06/01/2008
Rediswrong makes his escape before he gets exfoliated. Typical ditto head imbecile.
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04:16 PM on 06/01/2008
Rediswrong must have been one of the people solicited by McCain's website to go forth and post positive things about McNutt. Remember they asked them to report back to McCooCoo's website to tell what they wrote. A really, strange McNutt practice.
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04:10 PM on 06/01/2008
Hey rediswrong,

You'd better not come in here to discuss policy. The people here, unlike Malkin's site, are educated and you're going to be in over your head, like the vast majority of Republican retards would be.

It's better for you cretins to come here an insult and harass. It suits your ilk better. When you try to sound intelligent when you're not, it makes you look like a fool.
04:14 PM on 06/01/2008
"LOOK" like a fool?
04:05 PM on 06/01/2008
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/hillary-clin-22.html

Sen Clinton had family members go protest at the RBC, guess she couldn't get those thousands she promised, barely got a couple hundred and some were her OWN FAMILY members - how pathetic
04:09 PM on 06/01/2008
That article should make Hillary hang her head in shame. Seriously!
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04:13 PM on 06/01/2008
Wasn't Hillary's brother the one who took money to lobby for some of the infamous pardons (which she denied knowledge of by the way...)
03:55 PM on 06/01/2008
Is anyone watching this as*clown congresswoman on MSNBC making herself look like an idiot? LMAO! She is making me ashamed to be black!
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04:00 PM on 06/01/2008
I saw Ms. We-Want-A-Woman-President-Now. I have a mind to call her up at 3am tomorrow morning from my red phone and tell her it's all over.
04:03 PM on 06/01/2008
Yes, and I have a mind to call her and tell her that Hillary LOST! She doesn't seem to understand that. I also loved how she wouldn't answer Mr. Hardball's question regarding Detroit voters! She skated neatly around that one!
04:02 PM on 06/01/2008
Yep, these Hillary shills are invulnerable to humiliation. They go on lying and being dishonest even though even the reporters interviewing them can't keep a straight face.