Bill Kristol At AIPAC: Obama And McCain "Don't Actually Differ" On Iran

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First Posted: 06- 2-08 08:50 PM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political.

A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Israel Public Affairs Committee gasped in shock this morning when they heard Sen. John McCain attack his likely general election challenger Sen. Barack Obama in a speech at the group's annual policy conference. "That was the first time I've heard anyone call out another candidate by name [here]," said Aliana Greenberg, a campus AIPAC delegate and repeat conference attendee from the University of Pennsylvania. Another campus delegate told The Huffington Post he heard rumblings that AIPAC staffers are now nervous about what Obama's reception will be like among those in the crowd who cheered McCain's sharp speech today.

Corey Metzmen, also representing Penn as a delegate to the conference, said he is leaning towards Obama, and was of the opinion that "it might have been better if he [McCain] had been more consistent with previous speeches [here]" and not mentioned his opponent directly.

But partisan concerns seemed to be seeping into several aspects of the pro-Israel group's conference -- so much so that a note of bipartisan calm chimed in from what some might consider an unlikely corner. In an afternoon breakout session featuring Weekly Standard editor (and New York Times op-ed page neocon) Bill Kristol, panelists were repeatedly asked to divine the candidates' views on the Middle East by looking at their respective advisers.

Both Kristol and his Democratic counterpart Ambassador Marc Greenberg were at pains to remind their audience that they weren't official representatives for the candidates. Kristol eventually even found himself in the position of defending Obama's national security bona fides relative to past Democratic candidates. Comparing the policy gulf that separates Obama and McCain to national security differences between the two major parties in past cycles, Kristol told the crowd:

"There are actually no disputes of that nature...with the exception of Iraq this time. Obama's not for cutting the defense budget; Obama's not for pulling troops back from our forward positions around the world, with the exception of Iraq. Obama and McCain don't actually differ, at least on paper, even on Iran, where they're arguing about whether they would talk to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad or not -- and I think that's an important dispute. Still, at the end of the day, Obama doesn't say he would rule out the use of force. McCain certainly is committed as he said this morning to trying to increase economic pressure on Iran, which Obama has also talked about."

Of course there have been differences between the two candidates. Kristol brushed aside perhaps the greatest one: whether or not lowering the bar for diplomatic engagement might prove a tactical benefit for U.S. foreign policy. But beyond that, Obama opposed the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which would have designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. While Obama says he shares that opinion of the group with McCain and others, he instead prefers a less deliberately bellicose approach to international relations.

But given the fact that some Obama opponents seem to believe his views are frighteningly distant from the mainstream, it was interesting to hear someone of Kristol's stature on the right make the case that the Illinois Democrat's differences from McCain are ones of degree and not kind.

Which is why Obama probably won't need to respond in explicit fashion to McCain's speech when he takes to AIPAC's stage on Wednesday. The group's campus delegates who spoke to The Huffington Post all agreed that the worst thing Obama could do would be to pander. "The fact of the matter is he's said everything right," one delegate admitted, suggesting all that remains is for the audience to believe what they hear.

In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
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Barack Obama and the Iraq War

By Shamus Cooke

If he is eventually elected President, the contradiction between Obama's public anti-war face and his real pro-war beliefs will produce incredible shock and disappointment in millions of people.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19995.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 06/04/2008

OMG,
I am TRULY in a state of SHOCK.

Huffingtonpost actually ALLOWED ANYTHING even slightly resembling HONESTY about obama's WAR MONGERING STANDS. I truly am.

The BIGEST difference between obama & mccain......

Obama's a smarter WAR MONGER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 06/04/2008


He is quite simply correct (for a change).

McCain, Obama, and Clinton, for that matter, all share and profess the very same, undeniable, indelible eternal fealty to AIPAC and their obsession with an attack on Iran...regardless of the dark consequences that we in America will be forced to endure.

Can they be considered traitors for their admitted allegiance to a foreign government? Sure. Will any member of the corporate media or anyone in any sort position of power
suggest such a thing? Never.

Money (not logic or even common sense) is all that steers policy in this...the greatest country
ever sold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 06/03/2008
- aaronr2000 I'm a Fan of aaronr2000 7 fans permalink
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Wednesday is critical. Obama knows AIPAC is watching him like Dustin Hoffman in "Meet the Parents". If he wants to remain in the AIPAC circle of trust, he's got to come out hard and heavy for Israel, especially since he committed the near fatal sin of not listing Israel as one of America's top three allies, as the objective moderator Brian Williams so scrupulously pointed out. "You didn't mention Israel!", like a planted trick question.

Obama more than any politician in a long time, because he has the support of a grass root movement and not the major lobby and corporate establishments, can put this pebble in America's shoe in check. But will he?

I appreciate Israel's right to exist in peace with its neighbors, but I swear I will name my second born after Obama if he tells AIPAC to go Dick Cheney itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 06/03/2008

Obama more than any politician in a long time, because he has the support of a grass root movement and not the major lobby and corporate establishments.....

You haven't done HONEST research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 06/04/2008
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Sections of this article deliver the Krystol intonation - in print - quite amazing writing, and even more, revealing of the actual shrugged shoulders logic of Krystol.

In his responses to AIPAC, in the inimitable style that Krystol has developed - strawberry and raspberry become the same. North and South are reduced to simple fact that they are directions, and that is enough information. Directions - see - the same. The fact that they are polar opposites means nothing.

Whales and Fish - denizens of the Ocean - done ! It doesn't matter that one is a Mammal and may even have language. In fact, if you travel the California Coast - surfers are included in the analogy. - Same thing !! At this point Krystol begins to clap his own ears (philosophically) and yell blah blah blah in an autonomic response to deter deeper conversation. This is completed with his adoption of an facial expression, that in Boca Raton, signifies dyspepsia.

Why Krystol is relevant in any forum is confounding at the very least, other than a living testimony, that in the American market - with the right marketing - it might be possible to successfully market a new automobile to a targeted demographic, even though it gets 8 MPG and is called the Devil-Herp­es-Hitler-­Lemon.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 06/03/2008
- Fathoms I'm a Fan of Fathoms 4 fans permalink

As long as they hear,
We're the tip of their spear,
These jackasses will go home happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 06/03/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

Apparently...

McCain is scared to negotiate with Iran and other hostile nations because he doesn't have confidence in his negotiating ability and is afraid the other side will "put something over on him."

He's also defeatist when it comes to facing our domestic economic problems and doing something about them. (His position seems to be - "we can't fix them - we'd be better off just waiting things out and hoping they'll get better").

Doesn't sound like a strong leader to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 06/03/2008

Can anyone tell me of any other lobbying group that represents an entire nation? If Iran suddenly decides to send lobbyists to Washington to spend more money than AIPAC, would we--Americ­a--abrubtl­y have a different foreign policy? I'm just curious....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 06/03/2008
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There are other lobby groups that represent entire nations. They, unlike AIPAC, are registered as agents of foreign governments. By not being registered like this, AIPAC:

1. is exempted from transparency laws that would require it to list its donors and contributions
2. would lose its tax exempt status
3. would be scrutinized much more meticulously, especially since it deserves to be given that some of its henchmen are knee deep in an espionage case regarding US secrets on Iran.

Other lobbies limit their conduct to social and commercial interest. AIPAC is like a dynamic microcosm of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

If Iran decided to do what AIPAC is doing (it won't even get that far, but for the sake of argument), it wouldn't be as effective because part of the lobby is Pastor Hagee and his end times cult followers who believe that Israel can do no wrong, whose belligerant behavior in the region is the key to setting off Armageddon, and they vote. Iran or no other government for that matter has that kind of connection to our polls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/03/2008
- AdamWykle I'm a Fan of AdamWykle 8 fans permalink

This lobby is so criminal; why should we subjagate ourselves to a foreign entity who isn't an ally but a charity case hellbent on destroying its neighbors using us to do their bidding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 06/03/2008
- mom2sons I'm a Fan of mom2sons 5 fans permalink

He's going to go in there are speak with the intelligence that he has and will share not only his view on Israel, but his worldview. There is nothing stupid about this man!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/03/2008
- FlyingLow I'm a Fan of FlyingLow 2 fans permalink

Why is AIPAC relevant? Shouldn't all Americans be focused on AMERICA's needs and initiatives rather than those of a country which has no relevance to the vast majority of Americans? As an aside, I wonder how many of AIPAC's members/supporters have served in OUR nation's armed services? To what country do they really hold their allegiance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 06/03/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink

AIPAC's is the most powerful and influential single neocon think tank. More than any single policy group in the US, they provided the "theoretical" underpinnings for the war in Iraq. And of course, they are doing the same for Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 06/03/2008
- aaronr2000 I'm a Fan of aaronr2000 7 fans permalink
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Because AIPAC has our government on lock down...point blank! The best documentary to prove this can be found at http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=173 .

In this you will see Tony Judt explain how he spoke to a prominent Democratic senator who levied several complaints against Israel while they were in France. Tony replied you don't say these things in the Senate. Why not?

His answer in summary is that if he made a moving speech against Israel and said we should step back and take a look at the issues concerning the Palestinians, he may win over ten or so senators, but in return he'd be FINISHED. No one would support any bill he brings to the floor in the interest of his state, even if it's domestic, nothing to do with foreign policy. He and his state would be punished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/03/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 210 fans permalink

Well, THAT makes me feel better.
Bill Kristol hasn't been right about anything for 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 06/03/2008

This is a group of ultra right wing, ultra nationalist or fundamentalist war mongers. However, I think that they are beginning to quickly grasp that they becoming irrelevant. Most Americans disagree with their radical agenda. Most Israelis do to. Most importantly, Most Jewish Americans find most of the organizations imperatives to be repugnant.

I think it may also be the case that they are terrified that Obama is NOT going to blindly tow the line for them or live in fear of their judgment. Rather, I think that Kristol sees that Obama is going to destroy McCain regardless of what AIPAC says or does, and that this organization will have to get in line behind Obama, or face 8 years of increasing obscurity as new pro Israel groups begin to overtake them by getting behind policies that sharpy break with AIPACs pro war, pro apartheid and ethnic cleansing agenda.

I think they also see that their situation is only going to get worse as 2 of their top officials go on trial for espionage against the US for illegally receiving classified intel on Iran with the intent of using it to foment war between the US and Iran. This reveals the organizations true methods and ideology only too clearly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/03/2008
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McCain, Bill Krystol, George Bush........they all share that same dead eyed look of the GOP hardliners. They've all prattled that same right wing party line until they have turned into robots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 06/03/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

I am sorry, but I can not read anything of Bill Kristol's without viewing it as nothing more than propaganda. On multiple occasions, Kristol's stories have been proven to be false and based on lies, yet people continue to employ him because of who his father was. After the Iraq build up to war which Kristol was a part of, you would have thought people would have learned better.

I guess not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/03/2008
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