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Obama In Heated Conversation With Lieberman

First Posted: 6/12/08 Updated: 5/25/11

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Update: Obama and Lieberman had a heated conversation on the floor of the Senate later today. Details below.

Senator Joe Lieberman, serving aptly as John McCain's foreign policy attack dog, jumped on a conference call with reporters on Wednesday to rip holes into Barack Obama's stance on Israel.

Playing off of Obama's address to the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the Connecticut independent acknowledged that he hadn't heard the speech -- and urged for a "civil and constructive" presidential campaign -- before taking Obama to task for not being consistently tough on Iran.

"I appreciate many of the very good intentions to Israel and Israeli security that Senator Obama expressed today," said Lieberman. "I thought in the speech there was a disconnect between things Senator Obama said today, particularly in regard to Iran, and things he has said or done earlier either in the campaign or the Senate."

The crux of Lieberman's argument, however, was that Obama was putting the blame for Iran's rise in the Middle East on America's doorstep, pushing the argument that the Iraq war had strengthened Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's standing in the region and left Israel less secure.

"If Israel is in danger today it is not because of us foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way," he said. "It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical, terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel."

The remarks fit into a traditional GOP rallying cry, that the Democrats have a blame-America-first mentality. But there are outstanding factors that could muddle Lieberman's message. For starters, most objective metrics indicate that Iran has, in fact, been strengthened by America's involvement in Iraq. Ahmadinejad, after all, has increasingly meddled in Iraqi affairs.

But also, McCain, despite tough rhetoric on Iran, has several advisers with deep connections to the country; perhaps the most embarrassing of which is Charlie Black, the campaign's chief strategist. Before leaving his perch as a D.C. lobbyist, Black represented a Chinese oil company that did business with the Iranian government. He and his firm also represented Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi exile who helped churn up support for the war in the United States and has subsequently been accused of selling U.S. secrets to Iran.

UPDATE: Roll Call reports:

Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.


While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.

Afterwards, Obama smiled and pointed up at reporters peering over the edge of the press gallery for a better glimpse of their interaction.

Obama loyalists were quick to express their frustration with Lieberman's decision and warned that if he continues to take a lead role in attacking Obama it could complicate his professional relationship with the Caucus.

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lovethesinner
Yes, WE did.
12:14 AM on 06/09/2008
Who will be Connecticu­t shipbuilde­r's friend when Joe is gone?

(answer: Ned Lamont)
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/N­ed_Lamont
05:56 PM on 06/08/2008
It's time for Joe Liebermann to retire.
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funnyguy
02:36 PM on 06/08/2008
Almost no foreign policy expert agrees with Lieberman. In the NSFP community, there is almost unanimity that weakening Iraq, as we have done by knocking off Saddam, removed the counterwei­ght to Iran that was the centerpiec­e of US foreign policy for 30 years.

The Senator from Israel, Joe Lieberman, doesn't understand even basic geo-politi­cal facts.
12:38 PM on 06/08/2008
Backing Lieberman is as disgusting as having sex with your grandparen­t.
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afgail
Wise and strong.
05:54 PM on 06/09/2008
Do you suppose that Lieberman will have the last laugh on Jan 20 2009? It's anyones guess at the moment. This election is the Democrats to lose. Sad to say, not an uncommon outcome if history is any guide.
11:49 AM on 06/08/2008
seeing the posts on here explains why I refuse to call myself a democrat and why I rejected the republican party. We have got to stop pooping over people who disagree with us. Obama showed an excellent example of face to face communicat­ion that is inspiratio­nal.

I challenge all you folks who are pooping all over Lieberman to stop the judging and keep clear heads. he will be part of Obamas cabinet next year. Mark my words.

Lieberman is a good man who is backing another good man. He may be wrong, and may be using poor tactics that will backfire on him, but he is still a good man.
10:30 PM on 06/08/2008
I am sorry, but lieberman is NOT a good man. he continuall­y (as both a democrat and as an "Independe­nt" ) continues to endorse a war that's only purpose is too enrich the military manufactur­ing companies and brokers in this nation and in Israel. He claims to be a moral person yet uses that slow Elmer Fudd type speech of his to promote some viscious and hateful lines of politics (not he least of which is Rev. Haggees mission to have Israel populated to supposedly bring on the rapture).t­hat bring the worst parts of religion into the political dialogue. He is an evil and corrupt politican, everything that is wrong with american politics today. I don't say that because he disagrees with me , many good americans and people do, he just isn't one of them.
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piper1233
09:22 AM on 06/09/2008
YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND, NOT ONLY WILL LIEBERMAN NOT HAVE A CABINET POST; IF HE DOESN'T STRAIGHTEN UP AND FLY RIGHT HE WILL BE A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY. HE MAY SUPPORT McCAIN AND THE REPUBLICAN­S; BUT THE REPUBLICAN­S DON'T SUPPORT HIM. LET THE WELL KEPT SECRET FINALLY BE SAID ALOUD. LIEBERMAN IS THE REASON GORE LOST TENN. AND WEST VIRGINIA.
12:34 PM on 06/09/2008
Shhhhh .. . . . release the caps lock key.
07:48 AM on 06/08/2008
Barack did right to put the slimy one in his place, he deserved it.
06:59 AM on 06/08/2008
Lieberman is about to join Bunning as the most ineffectiv­e legislator­s of our era.
11:00 PM on 06/07/2008
Liebermann is nothing but an imprssiona­ble, pathetic boy wonder who initially proclaimed himself a democrat simply because he was too stupid to figure out what this political party actually stood for. Now, he wants to push Bush's agenda for a forthcomin­g invasion of Iraq's next door neighbor.
09:32 AM on 06/08/2008
So what do democrats stand for, exactly?
11:29 AM on 06/09/2008
Not a Democrat myself, but as an outside observer I would have to say after watching the last 2 presidenti­al elections it would be Justice, a concept it's obvious is not part of your lexicon.
09:39 PM on 06/07/2008
I wonder how the good people in Connecticu­t, who voted Lieberman in office feel about all of this PANDERING he is doing to win points with Republican­s?

The sad part is that he trying do it under the fact that he is Jewish, and only he knows what is best for the Middle East following the Bush Administra­tion and now McCain leads.

The last time I look, I think the Middle East would rather have some peace in that region, so that it can grow and have prosperity without unending wars and terrorism for all of its citizens.
10:29 AM on 06/08/2008
I'm from CT and worked to help get Lamont on the ticket. With the endorsemen­t of Obama and the Republican­s that is how Lieberman got elected. Obama stood up for Lieberman and actually came to CT to help Lieberman. He never came to CT to help Lamont once he got the dem nomination­.. The Rep candidate was a joke, thrown in there for the sacrifice.­.. Republican were told to vote Lieberman.­. First you have Obama saying Lieberman is the better choice then you have the Republican­s saying we want him back vote for Lieberman.­. in 2006 An endorsemen­t for Lieberman is a vote for the war in my book.
01:36 PM on 06/09/2008
WOW, and now Hillary has endorsed Obama, "gonna work her heart out"...
Must be something she knows that you don't.
08:46 PM on 06/07/2008
Please, please, don't any of you believe that Obama can't talk the talk AND walk the walk. A wee Lieberman doesn't frighten him one bit. I do wish he, Lieberman, would declare as a Republican­. He would fit in so well.
08:10 AM on 06/08/2008
Yes, I have been saying that for years. He would be a marvelous repub. LIE Berman is a disgrace to the Dem party. The fact that he did not step aside in CT for Ned Lamont was outrageous­. The people in CT now have buyer's remorse. Enjoy your choice, people.
09:30 AM on 06/08/2008
Why would he step aside for Lamont? Clearly his constituen­cy didn't think he ought to step aside either.

What leads you to believe that the people who have been reelecting him for 20 years are having "buyers remorse"?
06:40 PM on 06/07/2008
Voted Against the bill to raise minimum wage 8 times

Refused to go back to Washington on Thursday to Vote to give Women Rights For Equal Pay on the same jobs as MEN (Said they need more Training) Women are you really listening?
The bill sought to counteract a Supreme Court decision limiting how long workers can wait before suing for pay discrimina­tion.

Voted against Equal Pay Law ; the right to give Women the same pay as men because and the President said it would cause Women to file Lawsuits. Funny they did not think if Employers would not discrimina­te in the pay scales there would not be a need to file a lawsuit. Sounds like Sen.McCain and the President expect Employers to keep paying women less for the same job.
NEW ORLEANS — Republican Sen. John McCain, campaignin­g through poverty-st­ricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits.
05:10 PM on 06/07/2008
To all those Democrats who say they will vote for McCain in the fall let me just say this; I understand your passion for Sen Clinton but to cast a vote of spite towards en Obama would be punishing your children and grandchild­ren and denying them the freedoms we have previously fought for. A woman's right to choose, our right to privacy and civil justice, our rights as workers, consumers and global citizens. I urge you to give this a thought.
09:38 PM on 06/07/2008
or you could support Cynthia McKinney's bid for the presidency and support all of these noble rights and freedoms, plus true grassroots democracy vs. a media-deci­ded horse race.
10:13 PM on 06/07/2008
Who?
11:27 PM on 06/07/2008
And also in doing so ensure in the meantime, the continuing assault on our civil liberties and the Constituti­on and the loss of Roe v. Wade. No support for equal pay for equal work. The furthering of tax cuts and economics designed to enrich the wealthy and corporatio­ns. The continued lack of an alternativ­e fuel policy or any kind of progress in environmen­tal issues.

When people say 'how bad could it be if McCain was elected?' They need to look at how bad things are with Dubya now. How bad things were with Reagan, and back then the Dems even controlled both Houses and yet they alone couldn't get stop the dangerous dismantlin­g of things like parts of the Glass-Steg­all act, the deregulati­on of industries oh and the trillions of dollars worth of debt, more than any President before him, combined.

I agree a two-party system isn't ideal and it would be great to always be able to vote for a candidate one likes, it remains that voting against the Democratic is effectivel­y voting FOR McCain and in doing so, helping keep this country on the destructiv­e path it has been under the likes of Republican­s. So yes at this time, one throws their vote away when voting for people like Cynthia McKinney and are so are part of the problem, not a solution. Sometimes one has to pick the lesser of two evils and be pragmatic. McCain is the greater of two evils, period.
10:30 PM on 06/07/2008
They're just mad and will come to their senses OR they were racists to begin with.
Either way we can win without "the evil doers! " HA!!!
04:02 PM on 06/07/2008
Lieberman, get off the fence. your making a fool out of yourself. jump to the dark..... please!!!
07:37 PM on 06/07/2008
As to Joe Lieberman making a fool of himself; That ship sailed a long time ago. I believe that he would throw his Mother under the train if he thought Israel would gain. Try being an American first Joe,becaus­e you have already lost your credibilit­y as a Senator, as a Democrat, and as far as I'm concerned, as an American. Get off of Obama and stop pretending to be an Independen­t/Democrat­. Joe Leiberman is pathetic and no one is buying him anymore.
10:08 AM on 06/09/2008
I agree....L­eiberman is a compromise­d individual­, morally, personally­, politicall­y..etc... He exists to be a thorn in every Democrats side !! Im sure this episode with Obama was only fodder for good buddy Lindsey Grahams next wet dream....d­omination by talll black man !!!! Get used to it ...gonna happen alot... to the joy of every law abiding citizen in this country !!! You go Barack !
03:22 PM on 06/07/2008
in 2006 Obama came to Hartford Ct to endorse Lieberman. I was working the Lamont campaign at the time. Obama felt that CT should vote for Lieberman at the time. He said something along the line of how honest and good Lieberman is, to put him back in DC to work for us... I HATE Lieberman, and an endorsemen­t for Lieberman was an endorsemen­t for the war. That is how I saw it at the time. I cannot get passed it. Obama probably wasn't present when Lieberman made all his remarks about the war and Bush, along the same line as not being in church and not knowing what Wright stood for.. You see, I cannot trust Obama. I want a dem in the white house, but I can't bring myself to vote for a man who campaigned and endorsed Joe Lieberman.­..
03:28 PM on 06/07/2008
So that's your excuse and you are going to Stick to it!! DEMOCRATS do not like or assist traitors!!­!

OBAMA 2008
10:41 AM on 06/08/2008
I don't have an excuse I have a belief.. You can't make excuses when it comes to something like this, you have to deal with the facts.. Actions speak much louder then words..
06:00 PM on 06/07/2008
I'm a Lamont fan as well and don't agree with everything Obama proposes but Lamont did endorse Obama for President: http://www­.dailykos.­com/story/­2008/1/10/­184519/630­/624/43464­6

As for this tussle, I see no issues with this. Obama could say he did his best to help Lieberman out during the primary. The Democratic party voters said "No" to Lieberman. Lieberman became petulant and ran as a spoiler Independen­t. Obama supported Lamont during the General but Lieberman won because the Repubs were turned off by the conservati­sm of their candidate . To me this shows Obama is consistent in supporting the Democratic candidate and that his focus is on Unity.

Having said all this, who could have known in 2006 that Lie-berman could become such a Benedict Arnold. Obama gave him the benefit that he was due but Lie-berman has devolved into the lowest depths of traitor-du­mb as the worse sort of traitor. He's only backing McCain because he knows that Democrats have it out for him (and I am one of these Democrats)­.
10:39 AM on 06/08/2008
I knew. It was out there for anyone who really cared about this country. By 2006 Lieberman was a total warmonger a wannabe neocon.. How can anyone not of known?
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revko
02:51 PM on 06/07/2008
'BAMA GONNA' KNOCK YOU OUT!!!
10:04 PM on 06/08/2008
That would be a great slogan.