Hillary Clinton Running For The Vice Presidency

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 08:18 AM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position.

Both personally and through intermediaries, in an exceptionally direct appeal for a losing candidate, Clinton has openly signaled her interest in the number two spot - a post once said to be worth less than "a bucket of warm piss."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Clinton supporter and Black Entertainment Television network founder Robert Johnson said Clinton has authorized him and others to persuade Barack Obama to pick her.

"She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November," Johnson told the Post.

Hillary's approach violates the protocol of avoiding overt appeals normally associated with the vice presidential selection process. Asked how to conduct such a campaign, Jim Jordan, who served as John Kerry's campaign manager, responded "very, very carefully."

Traditionally, those seeking to be chosen by their party's nominee have tried to used more elliptical, methods of signaling their readiness to serve their country.

In 2004, for example, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, immediately upon ending his own bid for the presidency, endorsed John Kerry, telling Kerry's aides that the Massachusetts Senator was "my pick'' early on -- in a message whose meaning everyone understood.

Along similar lines that same year, Don Imus asked John Edwards ''You know, and I know, and everybody knows, you would be willing to take this in a heartbeat, so at what point would you be willing to say that?'' Edwards replied, ''I'm not going to say that on your show.''

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In one of the more bizarre events in the history of vice presidential selection, Mike Gravel, who ran for president this year, nominated himself for vice president at the 1972 Democratic Convention on the ticket with George S. McGovern, losing to Thomas Eagleton, McGovern's choice, 1741.81 to 225.38.

Republican lawyer Ben Ginsberg was dismissive of the Clinton-generated boomlet for herself. "It's such an individual decision by the presidential candidate that it takes a Hillary to do it."

Ron Kaufman, a top aide to former President George H. W. Bush -- who served as Ronald Reagan's vice president for two terms -- said there is one guiding rule that anyone interested in the post should follow: "If you drool, you lose."

Former congressman Jack Kemp in 1980 and 1988 campaigned hard and got nothing. "My old boss [George H.W. Bush] did not worry about it and did whatever the Reagan folks asked him to do, and it all worked out," noted Kaufman. "Gerry Ford's folks, in '80 put on a big campaign for Ford to be 'co-President.' That backfired."

In the more distant past, there were rare occasions when vice presidents were picked in open competition for delegate support at the national conventions.

Former Democratic Party and South Carolina Democratic chairman Don Fowler, who has an encyclopedic memory, noted two cases:

"In 1944, FDR did not want incumbent vice president Henry Wallace to be on the ballot. He left the field open; there was sort of a campaign between Harry Truman and Jimmy Byrnes of South Carolina. Truman won. In 1956, Adlai Stevenson threw open to the convention the selection of the VP. Senator Jack Kennedy ran against C. Estes Kefauver of Tennessee. Kefauver won."

Although it is certainly unusual for a candidate to begin publicly running for vice president before withdrawing from the presidential contest, this may be the moment when Clinton has the most leverage, presenting herself as the one person who could significantly heal the divisions now running deep in the party.

White women, especially older white women, are one of Obama's problematic constituencies and Clinton has done very well among them.

A survey conducted at the end of May by the Pew Research Center on the People and the Press found:

"Hillary Clinton continues to garner the majority of support among some segments of the Democratic base. In particular, 57 percent of white women favor Clinton as the party's nominee, while just 38 percent favor Obama....

"Obama's diminished popularity and support among white women may in part be an indication of a growing backlash against him among Clinton's women supporters. The survey finds that as many 39 percent of Clinton's female supporters believe that her gender has hurt her candidacy. In turn, favorable opinions of Obama have tumbled among women who support Clinton - from 58 percent in March to 43 percent currently."

These findings suggest that Clinton may right now be in the best position she ever will be to make the case that adding her to the ticket offers an opportunity to bring these Democratic voters back to the fold.

As speculation about Clinton's interest in the vice presidency spread, her campaign issued a statement designed to quiet the controversy:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."


Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
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- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1647 fans permalink
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This strory has already been debunked. They should remove it, or provide this as un update:

Clinton disavows push to make her veep

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
43 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_el_pr/clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/05/2008
- LadyM9 I'm a Fan of LadyM9 3 fans permalink

Clinton supporters,

I understand that you want her to get the VP spot, but some of you are going about it all wrong. The reality is that there has been a huge shift in power. Clinton and Obama are no longer candidates on equal footing. He is the NOMINEE which means that he runs the DNC, he runs the general election campaign and he alone gets to pick the vice president. So now Obama's the boss and Clinton basically wants him to hire her for second-in-command, because she doesn't have the authority to appoint herself.

Remember that old saying, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"? The more Clinton and her supporters "demand" that Obama pick Clinton, the less likely he is to do it. If Clinton had been the nominee and Obama supporters were "demanding" that she pick him for VP, she wouldn't do it either. Nobody wants to feel that they're being strong-armed into anything--it's a huge turn-off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/05/2008

Actually he is the presumptive nominee until the convention-not enough pledged delgates or some other DNC nonsense--but you got to follow those rules--unless they don't suit you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/05/2008
- SteveCox I'm a Fan of SteveCox 7 fans permalink
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Rezko was just found guilty, he could potentially make a deal and if Obama did do anything wrong... well, you will be sad.

If Clinton won, like she should of, if the rules were right... I would want Obama because of the strong support. Because I would want to do everything to win. If you hate Hillary so much then all of this new kind of politics is BS. You can't even unite this party, how can you unite the nation.

If you really want to win, you should be trying to get Hillary on the ticket. I will be one of the many, maybe 1 million, who will sit it out if she does not at least get offered the chance and is willing to serve him and not put conditions on it. If she does that, then she does not deserve it and I will change my stance, but unlike Hillary Rosen, I am a bargaining chip and given how hard it will be for a black man to be elected prez in this country, you should not be throwing a million votes away right of the bat.

You talk about sore losers, you are sore winners. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

I don't see how Obama can win with the attitudes of his supporters. It won't play in the GE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 06/05/2008

No one is demanding anything. The press is concocting this whole drama. Personally, I used to be for it, but now I'm beginning to hope she steers clear of it. He should win on his own or not at all. She shouldn't help him in the least... she will get no credit for it, nothing but grief and ungratefulness from his base.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Right, she should steer clear of anything Obama is right. These freaks on this blog in November, will come here with their exploding heads and hate mongering, and the HF Post will be blaring with headlines, saying OBama lost about Hillary.

Having her on his ticket will only BENEFIT him and I hope she doesn't do it. She will always have a career in politics.

She doesn't need to be Obama's VP when she has the same amount of Dem supporters as him, as is so much more qualified and experienced than him.

It is degrading for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 06/08/2008

He gets to pick, and she has millions of loyal supporters. Get real here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 06/05/2008
- Johnz52 I'm a Fan of Johnz52 5 fans permalink
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If Hillary wants the VP spot let her try John McCain. I'm sure McCain could use a female candidate with loads of old, poorly educated, racist white supporters. Beside Hillary once said McCain was the better candidate, so she shouldn't even want to be part of Senator Obama's second rate administration unless of course she was lying and we all no a Clinton never lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 06/05/2008

You got it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/05/2008
- SteveCox I'm a Fan of SteveCox 7 fans permalink
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Or she could just run as an indy and have a good shot at a big stat strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 06/05/2008

Remember, with her goes her supporters. You obama supports are getting pretty cocky-you really think he can without the rest of the democratic party? If you throw Hillary away, you are saying good bye to lots of important votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 06/05/2008
- DebofMD I'm a Fan of DebofMD 16 fans permalink
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/05/2008
- mebble I'm a Fan of mebble 4 fans permalink
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Right on. I've been saying this for weeks. HRC wants power, joining McCain is the best way of getting it. VP now, and president in four years since McCain's never going to last more than a term. Given HRC's absolute thirst for power and her willingness to do absolutely anything to get it, no one will be surprised and her supporters will love her even more for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 06/05/2008

What about her young, affluent, educated supporters like me? Does McCain need me too? I guess so, according to you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 06/05/2008

I am kind of old but I am certainly not poorly educated or a racist. You Obama supporters need me. But you're not likely to get me if you continue this trash talk.

Personally, I hope Hillary cuts some other deal than being Obama's VP, a completely powerless position. I like her for Secretary of State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Or she could just wait until 2012, when McCain 's 4 years are up and try to run again for President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/08/2008

Ok, FUNNY story. I went onto a conservative site this morning (townhall, I think) because I like to "keep my enemies closer." I came across a blog by Anne Coulter entitled "Obama was Selected, not Elected" or something to that effect.

About an hour later I went to CNN's Political Ticker, and read the comments on the "Obama, McCain locked in Dead Heat" blurb. A commenter said something to the effect that he or she was a Hillary supporter, but "Obama was 'selected not elected'!!!!! Proof that these supposed Hillary supporters, jawing about "campaigning for McCain or whatever, are nothing more than PATHETIC REPUBLICAN TROLLS!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 06/05/2008
- jeplanet I'm a Fan of jeplanet 40 fans permalink
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At this point, I'd rather see Anne Coulter as vice president.
She could handle the talks with Iran. Just put her in a miniskirt, and send her on over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/05/2008
- mebble I'm a Fan of mebble 4 fans permalink
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Coulter definitely has fake breasts. How can you take a woman seriously with fake breasts? It's like a balding guy who grows his hair long on one side and combs it over his pate. How self-deceiving can you get?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 06/05/2008

This is not a good way to attract Hillary's supporters. I think Obama himself would advise you against this kind of talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/05/2008
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McCain/Clinton&Lieberman'08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 06/05/2008
- several I'm a Fan of several 6 fans permalink
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Clinton 'Campaign' announcement:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama’s and his alone."

Source: http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/06/clinton_not_seeking_vp_slot.html

So can we stop talking about Hillary yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 06/05/2008

I agree. ENOUGH ALREADY with the presses obsession with continuing the drama. And enough already with Obama supporters who fan the flames.

She's NOT running for Veep, she probably doesn't even want to do it! it's a thankless job and she's already been number 2. If she does it, it will be because Obama asks her to do it for the party, that's it.

Other than that, he'll have to take his chances that he can build back his base. Good luck to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 06/05/2008
- basta I'm a Fan of basta 6 fans permalink

Well, sorry, that just isn't factual. The VP is selected by the delegates, even though in the past the delegates have usually selected the Presidential nominees choice. But, given Hillary's delegates, plus the fence sitters and ex-clintonites Hillary could push herself through despite Obama's objection.

In the even this happens, either McCain will win, or if Obama/Clinton do manage to get into the WH, it will be a fiasco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 06/05/2008

The vice president has no power of his/her own to create a triumph or a fiasco or whatever. So it will be entirely up to the president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 06/05/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

She finally did something right....and should be congratulated. Now, she needs to go to Denver and make a rousing speech encouraging all of her supporters to back Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 47 fans permalink
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One other thing, if Obama doesn't pick her as V.P. and signals that it's because he wants to "change the tone and the atmosphere" in Washington, he needs to continue along that line and try to force out all dishonest and unhonorable personages. This cannot be seen as a matter of his base telling him what to do and him jumping through hoops to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 47 fans permalink
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Hillary supporters called in to NPR on Charlotte talks. Only one person said they would not vote for McCain, and that was a pro-choice person. Every single one of the other women who called in said they care most about experience. Personally, I can't vote for McCain because of his support for a very old concept, one that has been shown to be invalid. That is the concept of "free trade". In South Dakota, when asked would vote for Obama, 60% some percent said yes, some 16% percent said would vote for McCain, and 8% said would not vote. I have a theory that the 8% were the racists and/or Rush Limbaugh Operation Chaos people. Can Obama win without that 17%? Since "Hillary as V.P. is unlikely", I think Obama's people have decided that they can. Therefore, he needs to find something just as important for her to do, that will also get her out of the Senate ASAP. What else could that be but Supreme Court nomination? Of course, the Senate would have to have a filibuster proof majority in order to do this and the Republicans would fight tooth and nail, including in the media. What else could he have her do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/05/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Andrea Mitchell (MSN) says Obama just "emphatically" stated from the plane that HE will select his running mate and the next word heard about a VP is when HE announces one!!

So speculation pundits pleeeeease shut-up about Hillary!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 06/05/2008

So Senator Clinton has finally stepped out of the race and the headline on the huffington post is still about slamming her. I guarantee you that the republicans will waste no time in starting their swift boating of Obama now that he is the nominee, and the democrats are still attacking Clinton. Wake up folks, time to switch gears. Lets not have another Jimmy Carter/Ted Kennedy catastrophe, OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 06/05/2008
- Wanjiru I'm a Fan of Wanjiru 13 fans permalink
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...while Robert Johnson is still receiving authorization from the HRC to persuade Sen. Obama to slot her in as VP...Tavis Smiley might as well jump in on the action as well...

...what a bunch of clowns all these folks are...


...lmao

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 47 fans permalink
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Let's have a reasoned discussion here, instead of an emotional one, ok?

Cons
her "baggage"
Bill's "baggage"
the matter of trust
would damage his reputation, integrity and tone starts at the top
negatives
vetting - can pass?

Pros
update to date on all issues
she's tough (great "pit bull")
her constituency (more in another comment)
heal the wounds
redeem the Clinton legacy
could be used as "bad cop" vs Obama "good cop"
she knows where all the "dirt" is in all the "darkest corners"
she'd be ready from day one
would enhance his reputation (can handle the Clintons, can handle anybody)
people are already mad about "throw away employees", would her not being picked be perceived that way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 06/05/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Lots of good pros. She could be helpful. Bill, no; he's a loose cannon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 06/05/2008

I agree with this comment more or less. There would be very big advantages to having her, the main one is that maybe it would pacify her loyalists. The biggest problem that I see is her negativity. I really don't think she could dispel it enough to work effectively in the Obama Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 06/05/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 81 fans permalink
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Interesting that she could be President without being vetted, but not VP.

Anti-lobbyist Democrat Obama can't have a VP whose husband is a paid lobbyist for a foreign government. (Bill's $800,000 from Colombia to lobby for CAFTA for them, for just one example).

That would completely negate one of Obama's strongest arguments against McCain

It also seems clear from the campaign that Clinton's 2007 tax returns, detailed business dealings, and library donors' list will never see the light of day.

Hillary won't disclose the financial information a VP needs to disclose, and the Clinton finances don't meet the standard of transparency that is needed to be vetted. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 06/05/2008
- ebbtide I'm a Fan of ebbtide 16 fans permalink

OT but who the hell is she waving at in the pic that accompanies this article? Two or three photographers on the tarmac? Imaginary people? It can't be hoards of cheering people waiting to shake her hand, because she would have a hoard of SS agents all around her. This kind of propaganda is what the people are sick and tired of. It is faked, like the mission accomplished banner of George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 06/05/2008
- JBCinSD I'm a Fan of JBCinSD 4 fans permalink

Would Hillary actually be able to bring her much-touted popular vote to an Obama / Clinton ticket? I'm not so sure. Hillary's three constituencies, in order of size:

WOMEN: Any thinking woman knows that Obama will be as strong on women's issues as Clinton would have been (minus the symbolism of having a woman implement those issues) and will support him. McCain is disasterous on women's issues and to vote for him because Clinton lost would be to cut off our noses to spite our faces.

RACISTS: These people voted for the Not Black in the Democratic primary. They're not going to vote for Obama just because Clinton is the VP nominee. Their loyalty is not to her.

REPUBLICANS: Starting with Karl Rove two years ago and ending with Rush Limbaugh's "operation chaos", Republicans have been itching to run against Hillary. Her high negatives energize their base and would have gotten out the Republican vote. In crossover states, especially after the Republican nomination was settled, Republicans answered the call to vote for Clinton. They wouldn't have voted for her in November.

So, other than some hard-core Hillary groupies (who might want to defeat Obama anyway so Hillary can run in 2012), what would she really bring to the ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 06/05/2008
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