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Clinton's What If: Ickes' Abandoned Run At DNC Chair

First Posted: 06/14/08 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:35 PM ET

Hillary Ickes

The post-mortems are just now trickling in on Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, and already there is a list of "what-could-have-beens" lining up. Among the most interesting: what if Clinton had hired David Axelrod and not Mark Penn to run the media aspects of her Senate campaign (something she seriously considered doing); and what if, after leaving the White House, she moved to Illinois (as opposed to New York), in the process blocking the political rise of a young pol named Barack Obama.

On Friday, NBC's Chuck Todd posed another "turning-back-the-clock" scenario, tracing the first signs of Clinton's downfall back to the 2004 election of Howard Dean as chair of the Democratic National Committee. As Todd writes:

"[Howard] Dean's election was a clear break from the Clinton way of running the DNC. In hindsight, it was a mistake for a political family which believes it controlled the Democratic Party to have allowed Dean and his grassroots followers to take over. Perhaps, the Clintons believed they couldn't stop Dean, but it was an early sign of weakness which eventually would lead to an unfriendly primary calendar."

It's a fascinating anecdote, but with one key missing component. Before Dean had officially declared that he was running for DNC chair one of the aspirants for the post was Harold Ickes, the same adviser who would end up leading Clinton's spirited but ultimately unsuccessful delegate push.

Indeed, as the Democrats pondered the wreckage of the 2004 elections, Icke's promised to use his institutional knowledge of party fundraising and internal machinations to "really focus on building the state part apparatus."

"Each Presidential election is unique, and the uniqueness of this election was 9/11," he said. "So I think '08 will be up for grabs. It will come down to candidates and issues. We just need to find good candidates and run strong campaigns... I think the emphasis really has to be now on developing state parties. The Republican Party has invested serious resources in their state party apparatus, but ours have sort of languished, because we Democrats tend to grab the resources and bring them to Washington, and we haven't given state parties much incentive."

Other officials including Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack and former New Hampshire Governor Jeanne Shaheen, were believed to be in the running, but Ickes, at the time, was reported to have had the Clintons' backing. "This is the first test of whether the Clintons can keep their grip on the party," the New York Post quoted "one Democrat" as saying.

And, for a brief period of time, he campaigned for the post. Then, less than a month before the election, Ickes dropped out. The decision, observers say, was driven by a recognition that the job was somewhat thankless and that the qualities needed to be a successful DNC were not those he possessed.

"I just decided I probably did not have enough of the attributes (a chairman needs) to do the party justice," Ickes said at the time.

The greatest ripple effects of this episode, however, were felt weeks later. Days before the election, Ickes threw his support behind Howard Dean, an unexpected and consequential move.

"His endorsement came at an instrumental moment of the process," recalled NDN head Simon Rosenberg, who had flirted with the DNC run in 2004. "Everything came together for Dean and Harold was part of that."

How much of a difference did this make? It's difficult to tell. The DNC policies that proved so problematic for Clinton's candidacy came with Ickes backing. From the Rules and Bylaws Committee, he signed off on Dean's decision to punish Florida and Michigan as well as the party's choice to move Nevada and South Carolina ahead on the primary calendar (Clinton preferred having Alabama and Arizona go early). In fact, way back in 1998, it was Ickes, then with Jesse Jackson's presidential campaign, who successfully insisted that the primary process be proportional and not winner take all.

"Harold is a huge architect of the modern system," Rosenberg said. "So when the Clintons are arguing they would have won in a winner take all system, I assume they look down the hall and say: 'Harold, you're responsible for this.'"

But still, the possibility of having a more favorable figure atop the party's apparatus surely wouldn't have hurt Clinton's candidacy. And, among the myriad of other "what ifs" it is useful to consider Ickes abandoned DNC run.

"If Harold had chair I don't know how things would have been different," said Rosenberg, "but they would have been different."

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02:08 PM on 06/08/2008
I agree, Hillary Clinton is not a Presidential candidate, really did not have to start as other candidate's started, and had name recoginision. It was a great show for the Clinton's, scarry, if they won, almost did, but it was not about women when Hillary started, nor in the middle of campaign, only near the end. So otherwise, she would have been toast, for a lot of reason's, mainly money, recognision, attitude, past, present and inactive senator role for 8 yrs of duty.


So she got a break, a big head, a fortune to play with and 18 mil voter's, probably half of them "Operation Chaos" voter's. Give her an E for effort.
01:36 PM on 06/08/2008
Especially since Matt Seyfrang pretty much upended all these arguments as nonsense in his column. And he's right. Harold Ickes was right there, and the primary calendar should have benefited Hillary the well-known frontrunner.
01:42 AM on 06/08/2008
It's just the simple fact that Obama is a better candidate.

Clinton appeared strong, but "inevitable" successors in monarchies and dynasties with courtiers and servants working their magic, can usually be made to appear as such.
07:01 PM on 06/07/2008
What if: Hillary showed Bill the door after the ML impeach?
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03:36 PM on 06/07/2008
Ickes at DNC? That sleazy schemer? Yes, he could have changed a lot of rules for the Clintons.

I thought that's why they fielded Terry McAuliffe for DNC chair. Luckily for the Dems (and the country), Howard Dean took on the fight and (miraculously, imo)....won.

We don't need a merger of the DLC and DNC. I'm very grateful Dean is at the helm with his anti-lobbyist ideas and his "every vote is important" 50 state strategy.
02:56 PM on 06/07/2008
Ickies speaking for all Democrats.
Did he really have The Gaul, The Chutzpah, to place his voice above hundreds of thousands of Democrats.
You bet your Ass he did.

Oh Dear, How Sad, Never Mind....
12:56 PM on 06/07/2008
Why is it so hard to put the blame squarely on HILLARY for her loss. She was a terrible candidate.
Her lack of campaigning experience showed. She was out maneuvered on the grassroots level. She kept changing her image and focus literally each week. Finally, she had the enormous albatross of her "war vote" hanging around her neck which she never apologized for. That's in addition to Bill and his antics, wining about mistreatment from the same media that had given her a pass on so many things. Women candidates have not really been up to snuff. Hillary has been the best of the female candidates but even she wasn't good enough. Obama is the first Black candidate that has had all the attributes needed to go all the way. He is like the Tiger Woods of politics.
12:49 PM on 06/07/2008
Hillary Clinton simply was not designed to be a president of the United States. She's just doesn't have the right stuff for the job.
10:03 PM on 06/07/2008
Andrew Sullivan said she had the bad luck to be a Salieri wedged in between Bill and Obama - two Mozarts.
12:16 PM on 06/08/2008
Leopold *and* Wolfgang!
12:22 PM on 06/07/2008
The repercussions of the Dean chairmanship and philosophy are still being felt. Dean was widely ridiculed for his 50-state strategy, but now heralded in retrospect as a visionary after the wildly successful 2006 midterm elections and the recent spate of special-election upsets in deeply Republican districts.

Obama seems to be adopting the "50-state" philosophy by stating his intentions to redraw the electoral map. I think he and Dean are correct in their theory. The last thing we need is another 2000/2004-style nailbiter in which it all boils down to flipping one recalcitrant swing state (e.g., Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvani). Instead, we need to scrap the nailbiter strategy and redraw the map altogether. Demographics are rapidly shifting, and there is a lot of purple to go around now--- and to exploit. Outmoded thinking does not address the swaths of lavender that permeate once fully red regions.
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11:54 AM on 06/07/2008
It would have been ICKY EWW!
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11:44 AM on 06/07/2008
Obama can't still manage to celebrate his victory undeterred by the sob sisters bemoaning Hillary's crash. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, we say in Alabama. The bottom line is that more voters trusted Obama than Clinton on his message of change. He ran a smooth campaign with well planned financing and a real message. Hillary was her usual too glib self, prattling on about blue collar problems and the bullet fire she endured as she went to Bosnia, carving out a peace treaty in Ireland with some of these claims to be proven untrue. In the end, the super delegates felt that enough was enough and fell the way of the candidate of hope and change. Clinton has managed to detain his progress to this day with her army of frustrated women protesting in corridors, tacky sound bites and evening news shows. If she has any decency at all - and this is highly questionable - she will back him today with a genuineness and not that tight smile that mirrors the shark effect.
11:42 AM on 06/07/2008
Oh puh lease - get over this nonsensical over analysis.
The point is one candidate lost and was beaten by the candidate with a better organisation capability and organisational skills.

We don't see headlines analysis why Mitt Romney lost to McCain against all odds - and how McCain's campaign at one time was in serious financial problems with many expecting him to suspend his run.

This is politics.
11:20 AM on 06/07/2008
Sam...are you trying to sabotage Obama?
11:20 AM on 06/07/2008
yea- and if my aunt has balls she would be my uncle..............anyone else post this obvious sentiment? For crying out loud - EVERYONE can look back at certain events in their lives and say "If I had only done this then then that would not have happened".

The fact is the election was hers to lose and she lost it. It was her and her husband and their tactics - it was any number of failures and missteps - it was starting from a place of entitlement which blinded the entire campaign to the merits of the other candidates - it was misreading the "mood" of the Democratic voters - it was a total a truly arrogant and superior attitude about which states "matter" and which ones do not - it was a complete disconnect and ignorance of the importance of building from the bottom up and not from the top down - it was failing to tape into and communicate with the HUGE internet community which is full of young and progressive and activist and informed and intelligent voters.........should I go on?
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12:31 PM on 06/07/2008
I agree. Sam is fishing for bait here...Why even publish something like this? Absurd and actually insulting to our collective intelligence. Reminds me of those really boring sports talk shows where some lardass is doing what ifs about teams and star players. Just a waste of bandwidth....
10:03 AM on 06/07/2008
I don't like the winner-take-all system because it's inherently unfair. A candidate could lose several big states by extremely small margins and win most of the small states, but still lose.
02:08 PM on 06/07/2008
That is why the republicans prefer that system because it is not fair