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Gen. Clark: McCain Is "Untested And Untried" On National Security

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June 11, 2008 10:09 AM



On Tuesday, Sen. Kent Conrad revealed that Sen. Barack Obama is including "former top military leaders" among the approximately two dozen names currently rattling around in a not-so-short vice presidential short list.

Such figures don't come much more "top" in either political party than retired four-star General Wes Clark, the former Supreme Allied Commander Europe for NATO during the Kosovo War. After a late entry into the Democratic 2004 presidential race, in which he won the Oklahoma primary and finished second in three other contests, Clark turned himself into a popular surrogate on the stump for Democratic congressional candidates during the midterm elections.

Relatively new to partisan politics, he seems to have taken to the enterprise with gusto. As an early backer of Sen. Hillary Clinton, Clark traveled in the last year to Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Ohio, Texas, Indiana and South Dakota. But even now that the spouse of his former Commander in Chief is out of the race, Clark isn't done for the season. In an email pitch to his nationwide network of supporters last week, Clark urged party unity and described the call to elect Obama as a "critical mission."

In a wide-ranging interview with The Huffington Post, Clark offered opinions on the current state of American foreign policy, the Democrats' emergence as a more "full-service" party on security issues, and -- lest anyone doubt his potential use as a running mate for Obama -- the shortcomings of Sen. John McCain.

"I know he's trying to get traction by seeking to play to what he thinks is his strong suit of national security," Clark said of McCain while speaking from his office in Little Rock, Arkansas. "The truth is that, in national security terms, he's largely untested and untried. He's never been responsible for policy formulation. He's never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or [in managing] his own congressional staff. It's not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is."

Resume aside, though, Clark also took issue with the Arizona Republican's instincts on national security. "McCain's weakness is that he's always been for the use of force, force and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. ... When he talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes ditties about bombing Iran, he betrays a disrespect for the office of the presidency."

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Clark also said Democrats are making progress in becoming a "full-service party" that can compete on security concerns as well as domestic issues. "Republicans like to focus on the threat, on fear, on insecurities. It's what motivates their base," he said. "As Democrats, we focus on hope and possibilities in the future. So the two parties are asymmetrical. And because the two parties are different, it makes the national security [issue] play differently to both parties. But I think we have to point out the failures and shortcomings of the current approach. In the foreign policy arena, John McCain has pretty much bought the central thrust of the Bush administration's foreign policies: relying on threat and bluster [and] isolating people we don't agree with instead of engaging them."

Still, Clark says Democrats can't afford to be branded as unwilling to use force. "My take is that Senator Obama has been very clear ... As he said in his recent appearance before AIPAC, he is strongly committed to America's allies. And it would be a mistake for anyone to assume he won't use force when it's necessary and appropriate. ... I think it's a question of whether you believe all intercourse with an enemy must end in conflict or not."

Citing the issue of Iran's nuclear program, Clark suggested a prime window of opportunity may have been missed early in the Bush presidency, before the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "I think Iran has come out of the Bush administration as a much stronger power," he said. "First of all, we eliminated the primary blocking force to their west in Iraq. Secondly, we have been ineffective in using the broader tools of U.S. diplomacy and moral suasion in the region -- and that's allowed Iran to capture Hamas, displace Fatah and strengthen [its] grip on Hezbollah. ... Without effective diplomatic engagement of Iran, we've allowed them to pursue a nuclear program that is likely aimed at achieving nuclear weapons. But we've refused to sit down and talk to them about it. ... I still favor an effort to engage Iran, but the clock is ticking on their probable nuclear program. This makes everything much more complicated and difficult now.

"I think that there was a window [for diplomacy]. Maybe two or three windows of opportunity. They might or might not have been fruitful. There are never any guarantees with diplomacy. But there are never any guarantees with force, either. John McCain should know that. He and I, along with many others, were caught up in an inconclusive war in southeast Asia."

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Still, for all of Clark's authority on defense issues and his willingness to go after McCain, some observers remain skeptical of his potential usefulness to Obama in the vice presidential slot. An unsteady first impression with the press in 2003 provided enough fodder for doubts that linger to this day regarding Clark's effectiveness as a campaigner.

It's clear that the former general, who studiously avoids any chatter about the current veepstakes, is keen to note his "learning curve" as a politician and his work ethic as a surrogate, citing the dozens of congressional candidates who requested his assistance in 2006. A source at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee confirmed that work ethic, saying that Clark has done everything that's been asked of him -- from voicing robo-calls to mining his email list for donations to making those personal appearances. "I don't want to brag on myself," Clark said, "but we got into places where no other Democratic spokesmen were invited."

Clark also suggested those travels have been good for his own political education. "You have to learn how to run for elective office, no matter where you've had responsible positions before. You have to learn how to hit the pitch. I think I had a pretty good learning curve in my run for office. By the time I was campaigning in January, I was doing very well. But you don't do it overnight."

When asked, Clark reports a feeling of contentment with his work in the private sector. Joined with the opportunity to comment on current affairs, he rightly deems it "a full life." But even Clark admits he doesn't have everything. "I miss my friends in the military. You know, the camaraderie," he said.

Perhaps he'll have the opportunity to reenlist for one more campaign.

 
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I'd be very happy with Clark as VP. I believe I still prefer Webb. Also that Dem Rep from Pennsylvannia (I believe former Navy) that supported Hillary seems to be pretty good on his toes as well..

I'd love to see Clark or Webb take on Romney in a debate on national defense.

On another note watch if Bush/McCain don't start talking about victory in Iraq and troop withdrawals if the Iraqis don't agree to U.S. status of force agreement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 06/14/2008

the place where we will have problems is with retired military who believe that we were a trigger away from war with the russians over kosova and were only saved when the british stepped in. and i am wondering whether it is harder to dismantle lies and innuendos once they are afloat in the hypercharged atmosphere of a general election.

that said, i have always supported general clark. from his first run for the white house to his current work in the public sector. i think the guys a hero, and have the bonifides to prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 06/13/2008
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How can you guys be so blind? Clark is a tool. He was behind the horrible massacre of women and children at WACO. That was totally unnecessary to attack families with tanks and purposefully roast them alive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 06/12/2008

mmm...he wasn't involved in the WACO thingy, which, lest we forget, was inherited from Bush I

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 06/13/2008

No one fits the spot of VP in as many ways as Clark.

I hope the Obama campaign gives him serious consideration and ultimately I hope that Obama himself chooses this outstanding individual.

Obama/Clark 08!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/12/2008

I second that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/12/2008

I THIRD THAT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 06/12/2008

He is really untested on anything but the savings and load scandels when daddy bush was in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/12/2008
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Susan Rice takes on Scarborough and McCain. Barack IS NOT BACK TRACKING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 06/12/2008
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Clark and the unknown Rep. Sestak are my guys for VP consideration. He just scored a knockout punch on ole Johnny boy.

Joe Scarborough almost collapsed discussing this issue with Florida Gov. Crisp. He read the first sentence, but not the entire statement which explains and supports Clark's overall point. They are crying NO FAIR!

As I have said before Barack has effectively dismantled the myth of McCain's national security prowess. Bush opened the can in Israel and McCain has not (and will not) recover. McCain's strength is exposed to be his WEAKNESS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/12/2008
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Let's not forget, Wes Clark has a Philosophy, Politics & Economics degree from Oxford and taught economics at West Point. He's more than just a battle tested General. His old website fro the 2004 campaign had more space devoted to economics than any other topic.

He's the guy who proposed eliminating income taxes for families making less than 50k. Their taxes are a piddling percentage of the national budget and could be made up for by a 5% increase on the top 10%. You want to appeal to Hillary's non-college educated white voter in Pennsylvania? That would do it. That is not just Change You Can Beleive In, it's change you could take to the bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 06/12/2008

From your lips to Senator Obama's ear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 06/12/2008
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Wes Clark would be a great president too. He was my choice in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 06/12/2008

Yeah, Clark never got much press for that proposal, but it was I think extremely bold and more timely now than ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/12/2008

I have been a fan of General Clark's since the Clinton administration. I had hoped he would win the nomination in 2004, although I thought it unlikely. I thought he would be able to clean up the mess in Iraq. I think he would make a better choice than Senator Webb, because of his depth of experience, should Senator Obama choose to have a VP with a military background. I don't know anything about former NATO commander James Jones--he seems to be a relatively unfamiliar name. It might be too much to ask to introduce two unfamiliar names to the electorate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 06/12/2008
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If you really think Clark knows what he's talking about on military/diplomacy then read his 3 books about it. The first two get into details about things like how to fight an insurgency and win (techniques Petraus built upon), and how to police a county divided by ethic rivalries. These draw from the Bosnia and Kosovo experiences. All three books get into the nitty gritty of why diplomacy is more important than winning battles. Read his books and you understand he REALLY knows what he's talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 06/12/2008

McCain has most certainly been tested on national security.

He used his knowledge and judgment to support every single move the Bush administration has in Iraq and elsewhere, all of which has imperiled our national security.
He is a total failure on the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 06/12/2008

Puncturing the myth. Five years in a POW camp doesn't make you a foreign policy/defense guru. It has to do with intellect, thoughtfulness and concern for our troops. These are traits McCain lacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 06/12/2008

One would think the same things that make McCain unfit to be Rear Admiral would make him unfit to be Commander in Chief.

Perhaps we could take a look at his service jacket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/11/2008

Yes, didn't I read that both McCain's Daddy and his Granddaddy were admirals? They must have been disappointed when little Johnny proved less capable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 06/12/2008

FINALLY, someone - who should know - has challenged McCain's so-called national security credentials. I've never seen how being a prisoner of war for five years gave him such credentials. I'm not minimizing the fact that he was a prisoner of war. He deserves our respect for what he went through. However, as horrible as that experience must have been, it does not equate to national security expertise. Thank you General Clark for having the guts to come forward!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 06/11/2008


McCain was shot down while bombing civilians in Hanoi (for the 23rd time). How much respect does that deserve? Did he save anyone's life? NO! Did he sign a war crimes confession? YES!

So what makes him a hero?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 06/12/2008


Exactly. And did he stand by his first wife after what she went through? NO! Did he dump her like an opportunistic coward to marry into money? YES! Can he be trusted? HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 06/12/2008

Wes Clark was first in his class at West Point.

John McSame finished near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, piling up numerous demerits.

Wes Clark went to a public high school in Arkansas and does not come from a privileged background.

John McSame went to a prep school and his Admiral Grandad and Dad probably pulled strings to get him into Annapolis.

John McSame abandoned his first wife after she was disfigured in an accident. A month after his divorce, he married the daughter of a very rich beer distributor, and then webt to work for the beer distributor.

Wes Clark has far better credentials and character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 06/11/2008

I graduated in the middle third of my class at the Air Force Academy and I can tell you that it takes a very, very talented person to graduate number one in your class there or at Annapolis or West Point. Heck, although all three are tough, top-notch schools and military institutions (and despite having gone to Air Force myself), based on what I know about it I would probably have to say that West Point is probably the toughest of the three academies.

Anyone who can graduate first in his class at West Point has gifts of intellect, discipline and character that most of us can only dream of (demonstrated as a young man, no less...).

Of course it goes without saying that someone like George W. Bush would have washed out in the first week.

Obama/Clark '08 !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 06/12/2008
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Well you've convinced me as well.

Just say NO to goof-offs for president. We've already had almost 8 years of one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/12/2008
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