McCain Supporter Fiorina Deserves The Same Scrutiny As Obama Veep Vetter

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First Posted: 06-11-08 02:15 PM   |   Updated: 06-19-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama is under fire this week for having named former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to his vice-presidential vetting team, a position for which Johnson is receiving no compensation and a role that he has traditionally played for other Democratic candidates, including John Kerry. But, as the Washington Post headlines say, "questions were raised!" Perhaps even by the RNC! And so, we're enduring a heaping plate of coverage over this issue, leading up to Johnson stepping down from this role with the Obama campaign.

Fair enough. As the Post's Dan Balz points out, "Johnson is drawing fire over his jumbo home loans from Countrywide Financial, a major actor in the subprime mortgage mess, that may have been below market rates," and has also "drawn criticism in the past for his role in generous compensation packages to executives of companies on whose boards he served."

So tsk-tsks all around and a good golly gotcha for the ravenous press! But, let me tell you, if the media liked feasting on Johnson in this way, they are going to really get a good leg tingle going once they start applying the same open-segment scrutiny to McCain's CEO-run-amok, Carly Fiorina. Surely, in the interest of "fairness and balance," this will happen!

Fiorina is serving the McCain campaign as their "point person [on[ business and economic affairs," as well as serving in the larger capacity as the Republican National Committee's "Chair of Victory." Which just sounds great! Because, really, who doesn't love Victory? Well, sadly, if Fiorina is the person in charge of spreading the Victory around, it's not likely that every American will be cut in on the dispensation. You see, Fiorina - perhaps sensing that there is some flexibility in the Bush administration's post-9/11 admonition that you are either "with" America or you are "against" America - is actually pretty hostile to the cause of hard-working Americans, historically preferring to feather her own nest by seeking cheaper labor far from these shores.

In 2004, at a press conference for the Computer Systems Policy Project - "a group of eight chief executives from the nation's top information technology firms" who have been lobbying your government since 1998 - Fiorina spat: "There is no job that is America's God-given right any more. We have to compete for jobs as a nation. Our competitiveness as a nation is not inevitable. It will not just happen." For Silicon Valley's highly-qualified and well-paid workforce, the message was clear: profitability would be borne on the backs of lesser laborers from overseas. The pushback was, dare I say, bitter?

"I am curious how Ms. Fiorina would feel about her job being outsourced to China or India," Sean Ryan of Alameda, where the county unemployment rate is 6.1 percent, wrote in a representative e-mail to The Chronicle. "I am certain that there are many extremely bright, ambitious and successful executive types in those countries who would be able to do her job just as well if not better than she can at a cost savings to HP shareholders of millions of dollars per year."


Many Bay Area residents argued that it was the low wages in India and China that were motivating Silicon Valley corporations, not a lack of skilled U.S. workers. Some argued for "Buy America" campaigns and greater U.S. self- sufficiency.

"I have many, many friends who are unemployed, and continue to be so because they are 'over-qualified' or 'not a good fit' for a particular position," one tech worker at Bechtel Corp. in Seattle wrote. "I'm talking about people with degrees from Caltech and Stanford. ... It's not that Indians and Chinese are better educated. It's that they'll work for cheap, and they'll work for what most Americans couldn't live on. That's the issue."

It sort of makes you wonder whose side Fiorina is on, anyway, even as she pursues the GOP's "Victory." Well, in a more contemporaneous appearance on the May 11 edition of This Week With George Stephanopoulos, Fiorina was furiously dodging questions on her favorite topic: how awesome offshoring is - especially as a means of evading taxes. The resulting exchange is a hilarious example of circular arguing: Fiorina opens with a complaint that only Japan has a higher tax rate on businesses, Stephanopoulos chases her all around Robin Hood's barn, Fiorina exhausts all of the dodges she brought to the table, and ends up back at Japanese tax rates.

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[WATCH.]

STEPHANOPOULOS: You come out of the private sector. Democrats are signaling that they're going to use your background and other supporters of John McCain as an issue in this campaign. One issue they cite especially is the issue of offshoring of U.S. jobs, and Senator Obama, as you may know, said he wants to take away the tax break for companies that keep their profits overseas. Why should there be a tax break for companies that keep their profits overseas?


FIORINA: Well, I think the issue is that United States today has the second highest tax rate in the world, second only to Japan. And that encourages people to put jobs and factories overseas. If you look at the example of Ireland, Ireland used to be the slowest-growing economy in Western Europe. It's now one of the fastest. How did they do that? They focused on their education system and they reduced their tax rate on businesses dramatically. And that encouraged businesses. Hewlett-Packard did this. It encouraged businesses to put factories there and put jobs there. We have to address the tax rate on businesses. Whether it's small businesses or large businesses.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And Senator McCain has come out for cutting the corporate tax rate, yet he still wants to preserve this tax break for keeping profits overseas. Why is that right?

FIORINA: Well, I think first of all, Senator McCain understands that you must focus on why jobs are going overseas. There are really two issues. One as I said, the tax rate we have in place today. The other is education and worker retraining, another area, for example, where John McCain differs from President Bush. He said a year ago, let's take our unemployment insurance programs, let's reform them. And let's make sure that when workers lose their jobs because of globalization, for example, that we just don't leave them behind. That we don't just pay them while they're unemployed, that we prepare them.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I understand he's called for that, but why is he preserving the tax break for keeping profits overseas?

FIORINA: Describe for me the tax break that Obama feels is being maintained for companies who leave profits overseas? There is not an incentive today, I can tell you as a CEO, you don't get a tax break for leaving profit overseas. What you get --

STEPHANOPOULOS: You defer to the taxes on those profits as long as they stay overseas, and that's what he wants to take away.

FIORINA: That's exactly the point. If the tax rate were lowered on businesses in this country, businesses would bring money back. The reason they cannot bring money back is because the tax rate is so onerous --

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not if they can pay no taxes for leaving them overseas!

FIORINA: The way it works today is that if you choose to bring cash back into this country you have to pay at a tax rate that is the second-highest in the world.

So, who emerges the Victor in Fiorina's Victory? Fiorina's money, that's who! And really, its hard to blame her, seeing as how her own career as a CEO was a little less than "victorious." See, Fiorina is probably best known for her time at Hewlett-Packard, where she pursued corporate leakers with a paranoid flair rarely seen outside the Bush Justice Department, as well as a disastrous merger with Compaq - a move that earned HP a brief boost over rival Dell before the whole thing cratered and HP's talent base began fleeing the company in droves. It's a fitting example of the numbing, Enronian incompetence that the American people are surely itching for these days, and are sure to get with a McCain presidency.

Barack Obama is under fire this week for having named former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to his vice-presidential vetting team, a position for which Johnson is receiving no compensation and a role that...
Barack Obama is under fire this week for having named former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to his vice-presidential vetting team, a position for which Johnson is receiving no compensation and a role that...
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How is she diff. from Hillary? Who said "nobody does it better the way Wal-Mart does it."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/15/2008
- Piatt I'm a Fan of Piatt 14 fans permalink

Goes without saying...why hasn't she been scrutinized?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 06/15/2008

Go Carli!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 06/15/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 19 fans permalink

grotesque failure as spokesperson? whose idea was that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/14/2008

I've been in IT for 30 years. I have seen no other CEO in the IT industry piss off the board as much as she did. Ad to that the talent exodus she created, the messed up Compaq acquisition. the employee intimidation, the "offshoring", and the near complete lost of confidence in HP by their customers and she holds the record for incompetence.

Don not get me wrong, she talks a good game. She's mooth. But she'll steal the lollipop out of your baby's mouth and put your ass on the street with the rest of her family. She won't blink an eye.

My advice ... watch her and your wallet ...just as you should with McBush.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/14/2008
- lee4 I'm a Fan of lee4 3 fans permalink

Why isn't this getting more media coverage. It seems to me it's because McCain has squeezed the POW card so hard the media is easy on him. He speaks with forked tongue on everything and gets away easy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/14/2008
- xmw I'm a Fan of xmw 17 fans permalink

Because it's McCain that why. he can point fingers and whine about everybody else and he can't even live up to his own standards. I have never seen such blatent hypocricy. Just like his very recent stament the "it's tought to be proud of America" but Michelle's statement was taken out of context and people want her shot at dawn. What does Princess Cindy say to that since she was mocking Michelle. Mccain is senile and disgusting. My Grandmother is 102 and has the mind of a 60 yr old. This isn't just a matter of age with him. There is something seriously wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/14/2008

She has fired thousands of american workers and created countless jobs for India. Now she is asking us to vote for her candidate. Has she no shame?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/14/2008

That was sexist. Or didn't you get the memo from HRC? LOL !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/14/2008
- PLUMPLUM I'm a Fan of PLUMPLUM 3 fans permalink

Fiorina has no shame and The McCain team seem to think that they can get away with her being on their team. It is an asset to Obama in a weird kind of way. I guess they are only waiting for the right time to unleash how this woman was fired or more like her butt was kicked out of HP for being too nosey and spying on her employees. She took full advantage and more of all the crap the Bush presidency was advocating for people who seemed to be terrorists or who did not do her bidding. She cost HP a bag o' money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 06/14/2008
- laylahb I'm a Fan of laylahb 5 fans permalink

There's another piece on HuffPost that links to a WSJ article. It seems that the McCain campaign is accusing Obama of attacking one of the country's "pioneering woman CEO's", Carly Fiorina. A very obvious attempt to charge Obama with "sexism" and inflame female voters (Hillary's supporters, of course.)

This is just one of several accusations made in the (right wing) WSJ. I have gotten really sick of the smears, the accusations, the whole lie/cheat/steal aspect of this election. This election is already the worst that I can remember, and it's just getting started.. Wake me up on January 20, 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 06/14/2008
- Dave01 I'm a Fan of Dave01 9 fans permalink

We'll wake you up long enough to vote on Nov. 4th and then you can go back to bed. How's that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 06/14/2008
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SImply put,she was one of the worst female CEO's ever. She destroyed the value and reputation of HP to bolster a brand name for second rate printers. No wonder, Tom Perkins led the fight to dump her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 06/14/2008

I've heard some talk about her as VP. I would love to see McCain tap her has his running make. I'm not a big Hillary supporter, but If I were Obama I would have Hillary as my VP. Hillary would destroy her! They will tout her private sector experience. But she almost ran HP into the ground and was fired for poor performance. She has less gov't experience than Obama.

She was the CEO of HP. Why can't McCain use a computer? She can't help with this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/14/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

scottysbeam Senator O cannot pick Hill/bill for his veep they have too much
JUNK IN THEIR TRUNKS He would be spending hours trying to shut
Bill up with all the oops! and Hillary is too divisive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/14/2008

In comparison to Carly Hillary's Junk wouldn't be such an issue. In the election ...Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan would won by the Obama. She, herself had thousands of American jobs outsourced as CEO of HP. She made that decision.

How can you claim to be the party of patriotism when one person on your ticket eliminated thousands of American jobs and sent them to India, and the other wants to limit GI benefits?

Also, the only thing she ran as an executive was almost ran into the ground.

I don't think oops and gaffes would make much difference if McCain were to pick her. In a debate Hillary would make Fiorina cry and run of the stage.... I read her book, she cries a lot. Nobody could ever make Hillary cry. She only cries when she wants to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 06/15/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

Here are the highlights, via Campaign Money Watch:
One hundred and eighteen lobbyists aiding McCain's campaign have received $496 million in lobbying contracts from domestic clients since 1998.McCain has received $1.2 million from lobbyists, their spouses, and their firm's political action committees, and his 70 lobbyist-bundlers have raised at least $4.15 million for him so far.McCain has received more than $8.9 million from his lobbyists' clients and their affiliated PACs.

http://www.campaignmoney.org/mccain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 06/14/2008
- bluesman49 I'm a Fan of bluesman49 53 fans permalink
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She is the epitome of MBA's gone wild. As far as charges of sexism - she happens to be woman that rose to a high position and nearly ruined a cornerstone company in Silicon Valley. She is involved with McCain because she probably wants to enter politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/14/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 25 fans permalink

Now that I think about it, if we started some sort of trade for cheap labor (if we look really hard, maybe in Africa we could get FREE labor) than we could do business even cheaper than we do now. And we wouldn't let those people vote so we could use that system in perpetuity. I mean, it is our manifest destiny to rule the world. What does everyone else think?

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It's people like Ms. Fiorina who in 1860 would have been arguing in favor of slavery based on the fact that abolition would destroy the Southern economy. It's like they don't understand that sometimes there are better reasons for things than dollars and cents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 06/13/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 22 fans permalink
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Outstanding point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 06/13/2008

Great post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 06/15/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 22 fans permalink
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I have been a Hewlett Packard reseller for 15 years. She not only gutted the company, she really screwed over the VAR's (value added Resellers) who built their businesses around supporting HP. She has made a mess out of their largest profit center (laser printers) and destroyed any and all advantages of buying an hp printer verses the competition by putting a majority of the service providers out of business by going into direct competition after years of promising to support them. She took the fast buck in a cheap and very dishonest move that will be hurting the company exponentially as the years go on. She is truly the worst thing that has ever happened to HP for lots of reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 06/13/2008

Customers agree. Before Fiorina, HP made GREAT products that were WORTH premium prices, because of great features, excellent documentation and -- most important -- blissfully boring reliability. After Fiorina's "improvements", HP printers are no longer the obvious pick if you want long-term value for money. A great company was destroyed by a brainless twit.

From his public statements, McCain doesn't seem too bright. Maybe he picked Fiorina in order to have somebody in his campaign entourage that makes him feel smart, relatively speaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 06/13/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 223 fans permalink

Yes, but in all her reasons for outsourcing .. she strangely never mentions the couple of bucks per day labor rates. And no one mentions that or the massive pollution in China!

Rgerads

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/15/2008
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