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The Coming Obama-McCain Mudfight

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June 15, 2008 09:36 AM


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At a Friday night fundraiser, Barack Obama warned supporters that Republicans "are going to try to scare people. They're going to try to say that 'that Obama is a scary guy.'" Someone in the crowd shouted, "Don't give in." Obama shot back: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

The next day, John McCain's campaign capitalized on Obama's wisecrack to announce that the gloves are off, declaring in an emailed statement:

"Barack Obama's call for 'new politics' is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America's pioneering women CEOs [McCain supporter Carly Fiorina], rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there's a political knife fight, he'd bring a gun."

As each new charge raised by one side is used by the other to justify escalation, the presidential election is moving steadily toward what some call negative campaigning, but what others call raising legitimate and relevant issues.

Both sides know the direction such a campaign would take:

* A concerted drive by Democrats to describe McCain as a womanizer who left his crippled first wife to marry money; allowed his second wife to become addicted to painkillers; and is now running for president under the direction of every prominent Republican lobbyist in the nation's capitol.

* An onslaught of Republican ads showing Obama as a the son of an African Muslim; as a supporter of racial preferences; an associate of black and white critics of the United States; a politician biased against Israel; without the guts to deal with terrorists; and saddled with a wife lacking loyalty to or affection for America.

Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, told The Huffington Post, "it's very clear that Sen. McCain intends to run a respectful campaign focused on the issues. As you know he's even taken flak from Republicans during this campaign for insisting on this." Rogers noted that McCain asked North Carolina Republicans to pull an ad attacking Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright.

Both candidates have disassociated themselves from such attacks, but each side is watching the other closely. The consensus among professional observers is that the Republicans will fire first:

Larry O'Brien, son and namesake of the former Democratic Party chair and now a prominent lobbyist, noted, "the Republicans are truly in a world of deep political hurt" and "all they have going for them right now is that McCain has sort of a shot. Doing a multi-faceted Swift Boat-type assault on Obama could be a way to enhance the prognosis for McCain, and, to the extent a systematically executed trash and smash program does start to work, it might also prove to pay side-effect dividends in some of the down ballot Senate and House races."

Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant Bill Carrick similarly argued, "there is no way McCain wins a positive campaign with all the anti-Bush anti-Republican feeling in the country, so we will see a very negative and personal campaign against Senator Obama because there are no other strategic choices for McCain."

There are many Republicans outside the McCain campaign who argue strenuously that issues which might be viewed as "negative campaigning" are, in fact, entirely legitimate and important for voters who are making crucial choices.

"Obama has four main weaknesses, all of which are legitimate areas of inquiry: inexperience, ideology, culture, and associations," said Republican pollster Whit Ayres. "If John McCain liked to hang around Nazis and Klansmen, if his church gave a lifetime achievement award to David Duke, we would all think those were legitimate areas of inquiry. The same is true of Obama. His associations give us a window into his values and beliefs, since most of us hang around people who are pretty similar to ourselves."

Ayres added that he has "no idea what the McCain campaign will do on this score -- I suspect they will avoid it -- but I think exploring his associations is completely legitimate."

Black conservative Deroy Murdock, who writes for National Review and Townhall, contended that "John McCain's best bet is to compare his vision for limited-government solutions, low taxes, and greater individual freedom and choice versus Barack Obama's expensive agenda of high-tax, big-government, bureaucratic programs."

Murdock added, however, that "Obama's frightening collection of far-left friends" are not out of bounds:

"Americans will find them increasingly worrisome and ask the inevitable question: Does Barack Obama associate with his radical, even seditious pals because they are such great company, or does he share their extremist, often anti-American views? If voters begin to believe the latter, Obama will be in big trouble. This is a fair issue."

Murdock argued that it would be entirely legitimate for McCain to "discuss this, but he likely will not have to, as conservative commentators, Republican activists, and GOP members of Congress surely will educate the American public about this side of Senator Obama's story."

There is widespread agreement that the GOP is far more likely than the Democratic Party to pull the trigger first in raising negative critiques of Obama, his wife, and his associates.

"My guess would be Republicans [will go first], since it's essentially the Democrats' election to lose. As the poll numbers get worse and worse for them, I would predict that they will pull out all of the stops to try to damage Obama," said Columbia political scientist Gregory Wawro.

Lynn Vavreck of the UCLA Department of Political Science pointed out, "Candidates only get to tell their story once... the general public already knows John McCain's story... he's been in the Senate a long time, he supported the surge, and he was a leader on campaign finance. But the general public does not know Obama's story yet. The primary voters do, but not those marginal voters who only vote in the general election. If the Republicans can help "tell" the Obama story, they will try... history isn't a great guide here as we've never had an African American on the ticket -- and I do think race is going to play a big role -- despite the progress we've made, survey data shows that there are still a lot of people out there with high levels of racial resentment. Some of these people are moderates, (not many), and some are independents (a few more), but ... this could weaken the economic and other structural advantages."

Drew Westen of Emory University was the most declarative: "There's no other path to victory for [Republicans] this year than to make Barack Obama foreign and dangerous."

 
 

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- BaileyWo See Profile I'm a Fan of BaileyWo

Nothing can compare to the freak show provided today by the National Press Club.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 06/18/2008
- elmysterio See Profile I'm a Fan of elmysterio

The whole dirtiness of the campaigning makes me sick. What should happen is that each candidate lays out exactly what their policies and priorities are, and the voters make the decision based on that. It should also result in immediate removal from office if they are found to have lied during the election campaign.

I know, I know, that sounds naive... but come on, with the freak-show that is the US presidential race, sanity is greatly lacking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 06/18/2008
- certainot See Profile I'm a Fan of certainot

we don't have red states and blue dog democrats. we have talk radio states and talk radio dems. no other single medium dominates politics like talk radio. until obama supporters start monitoring, boycotting, and picketing their local talk radio stations the swiftboating will continue largely uncontested.

the coordinated uncontested repetition from the GOP talk radio monopoly does most of the swiftboating. but without searchable transcripts of their shows the media analysts and haven't been able to document the migration of talk radio talking points and lies to the lazy celebrity media circuit where they have no problem repeating prechewed bushit off the GOP red velvet talk radio bandwagon (reinforced in faxes and emails) because they know it's already been pounded into the ears of tens of millions by the end of the day or week.

meanwhile progressives completely ignore talk radio because it hurts their ears and they strategize in a vacuum, looking for explanations, and excepting explanations that falsely and tragically attribute Dem failures and GOP gains to social movements instead of the coordinated mass repetition by raving blowhards on a media monopoly that largely determines the political and media flavor of America.

unfortunately progressive media activists cede talk radio to the right thinking they're passing them with the internet. a big mistake. the internet seems progressive since it is still somewhat democratic and reflects real America- it may inform people who search for information but it is not a monster coordinated propaganda outlet reaching 50-70 MIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/17/2008
- SantaFeStars See Profile I'm a Fan of SantaFeStars

No question Obama needs to be prepared for the most villainous attacks from the Repugs. They will stop at nothing - and I mean nothing, to portray him as just about the "scariest person on earth"! I pray that anyone with an ounce of intelligence will be able to grasp their vile messages.. Obama is ready, willing and able to knock the socks off the Repugs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/17/2008
- Keith52 See Profile I'm a Fan of Keith52

"...said Republican pollster Whit Ayres. "If John McCain liked to hang around Nazis and Klansmen, if his church gave a lifetime achievement award to David Duke, we would all think those were legitimate areas of inquiry. The same is true of Obama. His associations give us a window into his values and beliefs, since most of us hang around people who are pretty similar to ourselves."

I can't wait to see who Whit Ayres has been hanging around with...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/17/2008
- thinklib See Profile I'm a Fan of thinklib

Whoops. Meant to type 'McCain.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/17/2008
- thinklib See Profile I'm a Fan of thinklib

We need to quit blaming the Right for political mudslinging. The Left does it too. The mud hurts more when it's directed at our candidate, that's why we 'feel' that only the Right engages in it. But the truth is, both sides do it. Just look at the home page for Huffington Post - most of it is attacking John or Cindy McCan.

I'm all for a series of 2-hour long Lincoln-Douglas style debates. I have a feeling Obama wouldn't do so well in such a format, but at least we'd be taking the media vultures out of it. One on one with no media, that's the only way to seriously study these candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/17/2008
- certainot See Profile I'm a Fan of certainot

"We need to quit blaming the Right for political mudslinging. The Left does it too."

the GOP has the most effective mudslinging tool by far- the coordinated uncontested repetition of lies and exaggerations that is only possible on talk radio. there is no other monopoly like it and it can determine what is and what isn't acceptable in the rest of the media. in print and TV most outlets have to at least pretend to offer balance. on the internet one has to search for information and then read it. with talk radio the GOP rules almost all of the major and clearest talk radio stations in the country and that means 50-70 MIL americans driving and working, often just trying to get news sports and weather or other current events. partisanship and real democracy and a civil discourse are impossible until we get some new kind of Fairness Doctrine.

right now tens of thousands of Iowans and tens of millions around the country are listening to limbaugh yap about how they're being ignored while New Orleans got all the real press because they're white. of course limbaugh also said New Orleans residents all had the same opportunity as anyone else to get a good job, buy an SUV, and evacuate in time. for many in Iowa limbaugh stations probably dominate. imagine tuning into his and hannity's and savages shows for emergency info because its the only source.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/17/2008
- thinklib See Profile I'm a Fan of thinklib

There is no monopoly in talk radio. Like it or not, the conservative shows are more popular. Liberal hosts and liberal shows have been tried and except for a few ultra-liberal markets, they have failed. Believe me, if a liberal show/host started to become popular, stations around the country would pick them up in no time. They want ratings so they can charge more for ads. They don't care who gives them the ratings.

The popularity of conservative shows only proves that liberal viewpoints are not embraced by millions and millions of people. We've all heard that this is a center-right country. That may in fact be true.

The Fairness Doctrine is a bad idea. It's government intrusion into the marketplace. The less of that, the better. Besides, there are still plenty of places to get the liberal viewpoint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 06/18/2008
- Keith52 See Profile I'm a Fan of Keith52

Problem is there is nothing new of any real substance to evaluate. All that's left to do is sling mud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/17/2008
- ebanks84 See Profile I'm a Fan of ebanks84

A patriot is NOT McCain. And I've got plenty to back those words up so don't even try me!

McCain and BUSH needs to realize that their time is UP! They are finished. The end of their fear mongering is here. Nobody in their right mind believes anything either one of them says anymore. They need to cease, desist, and turn themselves in for the criminals that they are and take their just punishment. And bring Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all the other garbage with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 06/17/2008
- SILVANUS See Profile I'm a Fan of SILVANUS

Just like a rapist, a ReThugLican has nothing BUT fear to sell, and if America is stupid enough to get reamed a second time because they can't get their heads out of their Big Dog Daddy dumb asses and see how they vote for their own oppressors by being swayed by FOX news appeals to their fear and bigotry, then fine.. let the suckers sit in their own sh*t and watch their lives fall apart and country turn into a mess. Which breaks any true patriot's heart, but any true patriot will tell you that if you don't value freedom enough to take time to develop critical faculties, then freedom gets taken away while you're guzzling beer, IPod tripping, wallowing in chic nihilism. throwing money at voodoo preachers and O"Reilly charlatans who speak your hate while you're ogling XTube.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 06/16/2008
- haleywins See Profile I'm a Fan of haleywins

Who knew Cindy did stole drugs? What media outlet reported she did drugs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/16/2008
- PhDiva See Profile I'm a Fan of PhDiva

It's a documented fact that she stole drugs from her own charity. She admitted it. However, her wealth and status meant that she was able to avoid jail time in favor of rehab. It's amazing that the MSM will not report this huge part of her history, but they will document everything that Michelle Obama says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 06/19/2008
- dawlishgal See Profile I'm a Fan of dawlishgal

She admitted that she did. Apparently, she had some kind of charity, and got one of its doctors to prescribe drugs for her in the names of the clients of the charity. If I remember correctly, the participants in the scam were harshly punished, while Cindy got rehab.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 06/17/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa

DOES.... McCain ... Knows... What Climate Change... means?

May Be Global Warming means to McCain...BOmb...Bomb..... BOMB...B...O...M...B !
May be... He will.... Bomb... JAPAN.... Now He says that Al-Quaida is.... in JAPAN !

Imagine McCain's finger on the RED Button !
It would be a BIG ... Global Warming !
Some peoples may not like LIFE
May be they've seen enough

I just try to understand!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 06/16/2008
- KarlaElisa See Profile I'm a Fan of KarlaElisa

Anyone with any common sense right now is feeling apologist sentiment construed as anti-American. We ARE NOT PROUD of what our Government has done.
Honor, justice and integrity are not what we as a nation have offered our own or the world for a very long time.
We sell weapons to everybody and then play like they are obtaining this stuff to 'come get us'.
We went into Afghanistan to find Bin Laden, never did, but set in motion a nice big poppy crop.
We went into Iraq on a big fat lie to 'get Saddam', found him, executed him and then continued to decimate the country. We have RUINED an entire country....22 million peoples lives affected is no small matter.
We have privatized this illegal occupation to an extent that it's difficult to believe that wasn't the objective in the first place. God knows it wasn't for cheaper oil.
We have limited the rights of each and every citizen in this country while we leave our borders unattended by and large.
We are facing a housing crises of untold magnitude while the Fed bails banks out.
Surely this is more than a series of unrelated events resulting in tying our hands to bring us under control.
What the hell has there been to be proud about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 06/16/2008
- ebanks84 See Profile I'm a Fan of ebanks84

Praise the Almighty. The people have finally awaken and are speaking their piece. Behold!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 06/17/2008
- AnotherToerag See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherToerag

A patriot is one who recognizes the problems with the country and takes actions to correct them.
A patriot is one who honors and abides by The Constitution.
A patriot is one who rises up and dissents when their freedom and equality is taken away.

It is easy to see that one party fits this, and that the current administration does not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/17/2008
- Kay91 See Profile I'm a Fan of Kay91

why do media and people glorify Sen.Obama more then mccain? obama's too YOUNG to know anything historical about our country and he is surrounded by people in his life that have no respect or love for our country. first of all if he doesn't want his wife getting jumped on for saying things to the media, then she needs to shut her fat mouth and not be an issue for her husband. the woman is creating problems for herself. And obamas too much of a pansy to publicy turn away a man that obviously is a few screws loose(minister wright) the way i see it you cannot have any sort of anti-American dirt whatsoever if you wanna be the president of the united states! hello newsflash! now other issues such as prescription health issues is different or age or god knows what else, but anti-American stuff? obamas out for me. he doesnt have a shot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 06/16/2008
- stormkrow See Profile I'm a Fan of stormkrow

"obama's too YOUNG to know anything historical about our country and he is surrounded by people in his life that have no respect or love for our country."
Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Illinois. That little old thing that the republicans find as the largest impediment to their Ne-Con agenda.

Rev. Wright is perhaps the most respected pastor in the entire US and just so you know he provided marriage counseling to the Clintons during his presidency.
You really really need to back up your "opinions" lest they be construe as tripe.
There is absolutely NOTHING un-American about voicing discontent with Washington; in fact it's the most American thing a patriot could do and our God given right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 06/17/2008
- nimblehuman See Profile I'm a Fan of nimblehuman

It actually sounds like YOU are the one with a few screws loose. "Anti-American dirt"? It's the large number of browshirt idiots like you that has ruined this country. You're too blinded by either racism or jingoistic patriotism to even see that you are part of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 06/17/2008
- valkyrie607 See Profile I'm a Fan of valkyrie607

why do media and people glorify Sen.Obama more then mccain?

Well, because Obama is so much cooler! Duh!

The media love cool people! They want to be cool!

They themselves have admitted this in describing their reactions to the McCain and Clinton campaigns: being on the McCain bus was, according to reporters, like hanging out with the cool kids. Being on the Clinton bus was SOOOO boring! Hillary Clinton was, like too nerdy and stuff! And she tried too hard! And even when she brought the reporters donuts they still didn't like her.

Have a taste of yer own media-bias medicine, McCain supporters! It was bound to happen someday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 06/16/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa

What would happen if McCain would be the president?

Refusing to Vote Pragmatically against WAR = Irresponsible citizen

Gov. Romney had enough brain to understand that this America cannot remain divided and apathetic in the face of two opposing candidates. One of them calls for surrender in Iraq, which would result as it was in Vietnam, costing to the USA, their security and economics in chaos and death of thousands American soldiers. It's called = IRRESPONSIBILITY

TO CLAIM To Be A WORLD SUPER POWER " YOU GOT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

1. If I ask you about your FAITH - You'll say: My Faith is with GOD, right
2. If I ask you to kill yourself in the name of God - YOU WON'T DO IT, right

SENDING AMERICANS CHILDREN TO DEATH - A CHRISTIAN WOULD"NT DO SO!
BRINGING AMERICA TO BANKRUPTCY, just because You don't want to see Obama as President of HOPE that can RESTORE AMERICA in the World.

OBS: IF YOU VOTE for McCain - You will remember that you're in WAR... and Why this WAR !

The Price You're ready to PAY (4 years WAR)+ 25 years of the US DEFICIT. It means ¦
MORE POVERTY... CRIMINALITY... INSECURITY...BAD ECONOMY... NO HEALTH CARE (Just because of McCain a 71 years old man with enough Money for the rest of his life and his children life). But of course, you"re not a Working Class!

AT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY- CHINA would be " THE WORLD SUPER POWER
Thanks, Patriot !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 06/16/2008
- flatus See Profile I'm a Fan of flatus

The only campaign advertisement that Obama needs to run is that picture of McTired hugging Shrub with that ecstatic look on his face." That says it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/16/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1

Why do they keep saying everyone knows John McCain, only Baby Boomers and old Fogies know McCain, McCain is going to have to be re-vetted if he and the GOP decide to go down this road. There is a slew of garbage on McCain that most of America do not know about and the Right Winged owned Media is going try to make it a cake walk for McCain. However we have something called the "internet" to counter the half truth MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 06/16/2008
- AnotherToerag See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherToerag

I thought I knew McCain version 2000 - that version was somewhat acceptable. Not my first choice by a long shot, but better than many.

McCain version 2.0.0.8 hasn't passed quality assurance. It's full of bugs and faulty programming. Too many faulty features have been copied in from GWB version 2.0.0.4 for it to be useful. I, for one, am glad that the GOP doesn't have that good of a testing department.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 06/17/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa

Put this in your Consciousness - Veteran Suicide Rates is Climbing - VA officials. April 22, 2008.

Top officials at the Veterans Health Administration confirmed that the agency's own statistics show that an average of 126 veterans per week -- 6,552 veterans per year
Check this out: http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3204.shtml

Some Peoples don't care. When I sended this message to One McCain's fellow....
He replied to me... "Well accessories"
If You don't care for theses YOUNG soldiers
What Do You Expect to Win at the Cost of their lives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/16/2008
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