Obama And McCain Seeking Solace With Clinton Voters

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First Posted: 06-16-08 09:34 AM   |   Updated: 06-24-08 05:12 AM

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Going into the general election, three components of Sen. Hillary Clinton's political coalition were believed to be up for grabs: Hispanics, blue collar (Reagan) Democrats, and -- to a lesser extent -- women. One week in, the preponderance of the attention from Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain has gone to the third group.

Last Wednesday, an event was organized at the house of Obama-backing Rep. Rosa DeLauro with the purpose of bridging the gulf that many Clinton supporters felt had emerged during the course of the Democratic primary. Approximately 30 female lawmakers were in attendance, according to a source who was there, in addition to Anita Dunn, a high-ranking Obama adviser. No official from the Clinton campaign showed up, but several of her top-ranking surrogates did.

Discussed were proposals to help show and generate unity between the two camps, as well as possible mechanisms for bringing disaffected female voters back into the fold. These included a joint op-ed written by Obama and Clinton supporters and a major address on female issues by the Democratic candidate. Nothing concrete was decided.

"There was a feeling that [Clinton's] female voters were hurt by the way the primary ended," said the source. "Not because of anything Obama did. But because of the way the media treated her candidacy."

But while the DeLauro house meeting was a private affair, Obama's concern that Clinton backers, particularly females, could defect to McCain is decidedly public knowledge. A few days later, at a fundraiser in Philadelphia, the Senator offered up an "I feel your pain" moment to all those who had worked on Clinton's behalf, relaying a message he had told her on the trail.

"You're the only one who knows what I've gone through and I'm the only one who knows what you've gone through," Obama said of Clinton.

The competition for her supporter's support has not been one sided. McCain devoted much of his weekend to widening his political tent to include disaffected Clintonites. On Saturday, his campaign released a list of 40 or so "prominent Democratic and unaffiliated leaders and activists" who now supported his candidacy, including several not-too-high-ranking former Clinton aides. The Arizona Republican then hosted a virtual town hall meeting in which he devoted a lengthy amount of time and words to praising the one-time Democratic frontrunner.

"I've had the pleasure of serving in the U.S. Senate with Sen. Clinton," McCain declared. We are of different political philosophies in many respects, but on the Senate Armed Services Committee, we worked together on many issues, and I respect and admire the campaign she ran. Everyplace I go, I am told that Sen. Clinton inspired millions of young women in this country. And not just young women, but young Americans."

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To drive the point home (both subtly and overtly) McCain took six straight questions from women and promised a "dramatic increase" in the number of women in federal government posts during his presidency.

But for all the efforts being put in by both campaigns, it is not entirely clear how fluid the female vote will be in 2008. While George W. Bush was able to win 48 percent of this constituency in 2004 -- up five percent from 2000 -- female voters have long been considered a dependable Democratic bloc. And as the Huffington Post's Seth Colter Walls reported last week, the perception that Obama somehow has a "suburban women" problem seemed, statistically speaking, a bit overstated.

Moreover, as Frank Rich of the New York Times dutifully noted in his Sunday column, the political crossover between traditional preferences of female voters and policies offered by McCain is slim if non-existent.

"How heartwarming," Rich wrote of McCain's efforts to court Clinton's female supporters.

"You'd never guess that Mr. McCain is a fierce foe of abortion rights or that he voted to terminate the federal family-planning program that provides breast-cancer screenings. You'd never know that his new campaign blogger, recruited from The Weekly Standard, had shown his genuine affection for Mrs. Clinton earlier this year by portraying her as a liar and whiner and by piling on with a locker-room jeer after she'd been called a monster. "Tell us something we don't know," he wrote.


But while the McCain campaign apparently believes that women are easy marks for its latent feminist cross-dressing, a reality check suggests that most women can instantly identify any man who's hitting on them for selfish ends. New polls show Mr. Obama opening up a huge lead among female voters -- beating Mr. McCain by 13 percentage points in the Gallup and Rasmussen polls and by 19 points in the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey.

Even before McCain's virtual town hall meeting, one of Clinton's more prominent female supporters was laying out the anti-McCain case even more succinctly.

McCain's platform, said Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, is "antithetical to the causes that Sen. Clinton and many women have fought for."

Going into the general election, three components of Sen. Hillary Clinton's political coalition were believed to be up for grabs: Hispanics, blue collar (Reagan) Democrats, and -- to a lesser extent -...
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The Hillary woman supporters who will not vote for Obama, had no intention to and now have an excuse. The are republicans posing as democrats just because a female was running for president. Hillary dug her own grave for her failure to manage her campaign, make better strategic decision, and outright lying to the voters. The news was reporting what she was doing. Let's not make an excuse for her poor judgment and decision making. This is not the kind of woman leader I want as president. I am a 42 year old female who supports Obama only because the differences between the two democratic candidates as leaders were apparent. Thanks Hillary for your attempt to destroy the democratic party during your campaign because of your selfish ambition. You did it to yourself. Yes, there was sexism and racism in the media, but we should not make excuses for Hillary's failure to run a better campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 06/17/2008
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I think Rich Liberal is more of a very rich conservative, for Mc Cain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 06/17/2008

It is obvious from this post plus the comments from many of the Obama supporters that they have nothing but contempt for Hillary and her supporters. We are really sick of the Obama people telling us it's time to "move on" and that McCain doesn't represent our views.

You people really think we are stupid, don't you. We know that Obama captured the Democratic nomination barring some extraordinary act of self-destruction, which seems pretty unlikely since Obama is smart enough not to blow this thing for himself that he's been handed by the Democratic Leadership of Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, Clyburn, Reid, Kerry, and others.

Hillary's supporters are hurting, no question, and they are trying to figure out what to do. At the moment the only course that appears to make sense is to strengthen the Democratic Congress and take over as many seats in the House and Senate as possible with Hillary supporters. If someone like Kerry backed Obama while Kerry's constituents backed Hillary, then it's time to replace Kerry with a Dem Primary opponent such as Edward O'Reilly who will be on the ballot.

Nobody really knows where Obama stands on anything as will become increasingly apparent, so to Hillary supporters at the moment it doesn't matter which of these candidates becomes President. Our game is moving elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 06/16/2008

You should read Great Expectations or watch Sunset Boulevard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 06/16/2008

HoHum, I suppose this is just another insult from a pseudo-intellectual Obama supporter. Not being familiar with either of these refs, a 2 second google search produced what appears to be the poster's profound expression of contempt:
"The major starring role in the film, an inspired casting choice, was held by legendary silent film diva Gloria Swanson (Mae West was also a possible choice for the role), who "autobiogr­aphically" portrayed Norma Desmond - a deluded, tragic, ambitious actress whose career declined with the coming of the talkies."

This is a good example of why there will be no reconciliation. The Obama crew is basically a personality cult with no comprehension of political economy and are totally enthralled with political emotionalism as practiced by Obama. It is transparent to Hillary supporters how the Obama supporters are having their buttons pushed and responding like automata, while at the same time not developing any comprehension of the economic basis of the Clinton supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 06/17/2008
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thinking this is another Mc Ca in supporter attempting to stir the pot... don't you people have a life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 06/17/2008
- laylahb I'm a Fan of laylahb 5 fans permalink

Haven't we all had enough of all of this vitriol for the last six months? Can't we all acknowledge the fact that there are hurt feelings, particularly among Hillary's supporters, and they have every right to sit Shiva (mourning period) until they figure out what they want to do. A person who loses a loved one doesn't go out the following day to find a "replacement."

There are exactly 20 weeks from today until the polls open. Everyone has time to examine the policies of the remaining candidates, like Bob Barr and Ralph Nader. Okay, we won't go that far, but everyone needs time to look at how each candidate would affect their lives. Think about women's rights in the doctor's office and in the workplace is a start. Look at views on war and peace. Today, off-shore drilling is an issue. Look at it in its entirety, look at it piecemeal. Get to know the candidates. We all have lots of time since the polls don't open for another 20 weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/17/2008

While Obama has always treated HRC with respect, I'm wondering... what do those die-hard Clinton supporters believe would have happened if she went up against McCain? Would he be praising her? Would he still be whispering the same sweet nothings that he is right now? Would the GOP have been as "hands-off" as they'd been while attacking Obama?

The GOP may court you and McCain can smile in your face, but make no mistake: YOU WOULD HAVE TRULY SEEN SEXISM IF IT WERE CLINTON VS. MCCAIN ! Don't. Be. Fooled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/16/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

"While Obama has always treated HRC with respect," LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 06/16/2008

What's so funny about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 06/17/2008
- banats I'm a Fan of banats 4 fans permalink

Is all this continual trashing of Hillary coming from Obama supporters or Republicans? I'd like to think that it is not coming from Obama supporters. I think that all Obama supporters should make a pact to start a positive campaign to recruit Clinton supporters. Continuing to trash Clinton and her supporters is divisive and serves to alienate. Hillary is no longer in contention. The focus should be on bringing people together in a spirit of mutual respect. It takes time and I think that in the end, Clinton supporters will not vote against their own interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/16/2008
- Boadicea I'm a Fan of Boadicea 64 fans permalink

The people who are trashing Hillary in here are in fact right wing trolls who want to generate bad feelings against Obama. They're not Democrats. They're Anti-Democrats.

They hope to be perceived as Obama supporters, and thereby create division within the Democratic Party. Their goal is to prevent Obama from winning the presidency.

In short, Hillary bashing demonstrates support for four more years of Bush/McCain policy on the part of the commenter. Treat it accordingly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/16/2008
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Well put, Boadicea (great name btw!)

and so true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 06/16/2008
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Same with those who pose as Hillary supporters, many of whom are just here to sow dissension or get attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 06/17/2008
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Mrs. Clinton's supporters watched her get trashed for everything from her legs, aging face, hairstyle, wardrobe and tone of voice, to her personal ethics and morality. I can understand why there would be some hesitancy to jump right into bed with Obama's followers--some of whose attitudes were pretty friggin cocky and offensive during the primaries. It's to be expected that Obama would have to make some concessions and make nice with them. Anyone who thinks he can win this nationally without the women to whom Hillary Clinton's candidacy meant so much is misguided. I can't see McCain winning them over unless he changes his tune on choice and universal health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 06/16/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I don't know where you saw all those insults you mention about her appearance. I didn't see any of that here on HuffPo. The worst I saw was jokes about her trademark pantsuits.

It doesn't help when her supporters drum up accusations of tihngs that did not happen - more or less what she is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/16/2008
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I think it happened in the MSM but I did not see much of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/16/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

you left out lying (about almost anything.. and i mean ANYTHING) to her blatant pander on the gas tax. and you left out her war vote... if you ask a lot of us.. she got a free ride on!

what you don't understand is that equal opportunity means getting your teeth kicked in every day as well as the "winning". and i don't mean the "sticks and stones" thing.. i mean... LOSING! losing is an art. and men have been doing it since the beginning of time!

so come on in... the water is fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 06/16/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

you heard what you wanted to hear. get over it and move the hell on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 06/16/2008
- mark77 I'm a Fan of mark77 2 fans permalink

It's not about you, and it's not about Hillary Clinton. It's about the country. My first choice was John Edwards, he didn't win, but I'm over it. This election affects whether our troops will stay in Iraq for 4 more years. It affects whether working families will see their jobs outsourced. It affects whether the uninsured will get health insurance, and whether reproductive rights will be protected.

I agree with you that comments such as Tucker Carlson's are despicable. Despicable things have also been said about Obama and Edwards. But again, it's not about you and it's not about the candidates. It's about this country. If you want to make a decision about this year's election because you think it's about you or your candidate, then that's your right and prerogative. But having just this year watched one of our church families lose a son in Iraq, I have to say that your self-centeredness is sickening. Luckily for this country HRC and most of her supporters know what the stakes are and don't feel the same way you do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 06/16/2008
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there is no need for this level of vitriol between people who basically agree.

Just my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 06/16/2008
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Please, let's remember that Frank Rich, along with many other members of the media, were anti-Sen. Clinton all along, although Rich, at least, did not throw sexist slurs around, as did Olberman and Matthews. I think what the Obama campaign has to understand is that women who are planning to withold their Presidential vote in November (but may very well work their asses off to see that we have a veto-proof Democratic Congress) are not simply reacting out of "spite", as one blogger put it. We may be saying that we insist on having our voices heard; that the Obama campaign, thus far, has made no mention of even the more shameless misogynous comments in the media (such as Tucker Carlson's, on MSNBC, when he said that whenever he sees Hillary Clinton on TV, "I involuntarily cross my legs", Just imagine if he'd said, "Whenever I see Barack Obama on TV, I involuntarily check my wallet".)! Perhaps women have started to realize that assuming that we'll "come around" is simply not enough...that other voting groups have realized gains by witholding their votes, and that it may well be that the only way that women will be taken seriously as a constituency, rather than as "soccer moms" or "security moms" to be thrown a bone here and there, is to withold our votes until we ARE taken seriously, with actions, not merely oratory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/16/2008

As a retired, 68+ year old woman, I need to have someone explain to my WHY Obama should be held responsible for the remarks of anyone else, especially the remarks of a media shill like Tucker Carlson. Get a grip! Asking Obama to address any perceived sexist slurs made by people outside his election committee is not the equality we have been working for all our adult lives.
S**T happens! Move on! Get a life!
Maybe next time our female candidate will be more worthy of the office and more electable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/16/2008
- AlphaDoc I'm a Fan of AlphaDoc 13 fans permalink

(APPLAUSE)

Fine post, Happytrails.

And what sexist slurs did Keith Olbermann "throw around," Docbcs?

>We may be saying that we insist on having our voices heard<

At the expense of everything that women like me have worked toward for years? Mighty selfish of you. But if you feel it's okay to put a man who denigrates his wife in public into the WH, then by all means, vote for McCain . . . or stay home on election day. Be just what the media are painting you to be--the scorned woman with hurt feelings who allows her emotions to sway her thought process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/16/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

YOU DONT GET IT!

you were heard! and... a lot of us didn't like what you had to say!

my god... does the whole country have to suffer from your hormonal fit??

wake up... GROW UP! this is not about your genitals.... this is about the really urgent and hard work that needs to be done from when WOMEN helped elect GEORGE BUSH because they were afraid of the freaking stupid terrorist threat scam!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 06/16/2008
- mark77 I'm a Fan of mark77 2 fans permalink

I understand some Democrats are disappointed that their candidate is not the nominee, but I'm frankly sick and tired of this kind of talk threatening to vote for McCain unless everyone kisses your feet and comes hat in hand begging for your vote.

Get over it. It's not going to happen. While you're making all these demands on Obama, the Obama camp, and world at large simply because something didn't go your way in the primaries, Obama and the rest of us are out here actually trying to do something productive. We're campaigning against McCain, we're trying to register new voters, trying to get the Democratic message out through grassroots organizing to make sure this country doesn't have to go through another 4 years of what we've been through these past 8 years. Either join us or get out of the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 06/16/2008
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relax- a lot of these people are just looking for attention any way they can get it..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 06/16/2008
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Do you not realize that you, and yes I mean YOU, almost lost your right to habeas corpus the other day? That before a few days ago, anyone in this government could have deemed you an enemy of the state (despite being a citizen) and you could be disappeared off the face of the earth with no recourse? That right now, illegally without congresses approval, that Bush is trying to establish 58 military bases in Iraq, and that is making the Iraqi government start to align a little bit closer to Iran?

At one point during this campaign, I considered not voting for Hillary. But then I took my head out of my butt and realized that things are getting bad quickly right under our noses, and McCain is NOT an option (and I am not a democrat). As a black women, I am all for women being taken seriously, but in this election year, in the current environment, withholding your vote is not the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/16/2008
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Childish, Doc and I hope you'll reconsider.

Please don't punish Obama and the country more importantly for a few MSM sexists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 06/16/2008

First, for those of us who support Obama, we must work with the Hillary supporters to help see that he really isn't that different in many ways from Hillary and in all honest is their only option. McCain will undermine everything that Hillary stands for.

But, for those who would not vote or vote for McCain as a protest anyway, especially women:
* when Roe V Wade overturned by a new conservative supreme court justice who will be appointed during the next administration
* the length of the Iraq conflict and the addition of one in Iran forces the draft to be brought back and you must see your children off to die.
* health care & education take a backseat to tax cuts for the rich
* women's issues are basically forgotten

Please don't cry and moan. In such a case, you really do get the government you deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 06/16/2008

Also, given how Sen. McCain glorifies war (despite his protests to the contrary), some kind of strike against Iran would be likely. Who knows how that would turn out. But if it turned out badly, the military might be stretched beyond the breaking point and the only way out would be a DRAFT! Are you willing to sacrifice your children or nieces and nephews simply to satisfy your urge to show somebody just how mad you can get and how no one's going to push you around?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 06/17/2008
- Hotshortie I'm a Fan of Hotshortie 5 fans permalink

I love how mccainacks try to act like Obama supporters. Obama supporters are nice like Clinton suppoters. Both have large brains and won't fall for people pretending to cause trouble between the two camps.

Dems are on the same team. United we stand, Divided we fall!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 06/16/2008
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agree- dont be fooled by McCainiacs impersonating Clintonites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/16/2008

Frank Rich hit it right on the head.....I do not believe for a minute that the numbers of people who will abandon their own beliefs--out of spite-- could be anywhere near as large as the MSM is making it out to be.

Any woman who is a democrat who would vote for McCain simply becasue Hillary didn't get the nomination is basically saying, "a woman is better than a black man" and that, my friends, is either racism or something far more insidious.


Neither Clinton nor Obama have any substantial experience, so that argument holds no water.

Clinton and Obama's policies are nearly identical, so to suggest that they wouldn't vote for Obama over his policies is also nonsense.

Either they are democrats or they aren't.

Yes, it would've been nice for them if HIllary had gotten the nomination; but, she didn't, and NOT because people are sexist, but becasue Obama generated more excitement.

If Obama had lost and all of his supporters said they were going to vote for McCain, Hillary's people would be saying, "Are you insane?" .


In any case, I have a lot more faith in the women in this country.

I am one of them, and I am intlligent enough not to cut my nose off in spite of my face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 06/16/2008
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>I do not believe for a minute that the numbers of people who will abandon their own beliefs--out of spite-- could be anywhere near as large as the MSM is making it out to be.<

The contention itself is sexist as hell. To assume that a large number of women would allow hurt feelings to stand in the way of common sense or their own best interests is ludicrous and insulting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 06/16/2008
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starting to get embarrassed as a feminist by these McCa inites posing as Clin tonites.
true feminists don't cry wolf every other minute nor do we glory in our victimhood.

These are some serious poseurs here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 06/17/2008
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The intelligent women who were upset with Hillary's loss will end up voting with their brains and not with their anger and need for revenge. I'm not sure what the others will do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 06/16/2008
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dear clintonafia:

u did a half-ass job on the clinton campaign. u need to step it up on the obama campaign. no pressure -- but dont screw this up for us!

love,
barackstar obamaite

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/16/2008

Echhhh. You're a big help. I actually had to check your profile to make sure you weren't actually trolling around.

H illary's supporters did a great job on her campaign, worked their butts off. The unpaid volunteers, that is. Mark Penn, the highly-paid hatchetman, did a TERRIBLE job, not even bothering to learn the rules. The consultants warred with each other and the campaign message changed constantly. The sexism from cableclowns Carlson and Matthews was real and constant, but changed very few minds because we all know they're cableclowns.

H illary's lousy consultants have a vested interest in persuading people that she lost due to sexism rather than their incompetence. Olbermann didn't start with H illary until she promoted herself and Mc Cain as members of the Leader club with a No O bamas Allowed sign on the door. Then Olbermann turned on her for that action, not her gender.

Mc Cain is cynically trying to attract Clinton supporters, but when they find out that he is 100% anti-choice, voted against funding a program that included breast cancer screening, voted for impeaching Hillary's husband, voted against funding a decent education for troops, told nasty jokes about youg Chelsea's looks, and verbally abused his wife i public, they'll come around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 06/16/2008
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It's clear from the polls that Obama is winning the women. I honestly do not believe that any woman who supported Hillary, other than the scant few spiteful whackos, will vote for McCain. It's just entirely too stupid a thing to contemplate a woman doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 06/16/2008

What polls? BTW riverhouse. Do you ever wonder why and how McCain and Obama are so close in the polls. Today, per Gallup, Obama 46%, McCain 42%. McCain hasn't even done anything. At least not anyhting right, and he's still so close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 06/16/2008

It's a poll, not reality! Polls had Obama losing Iowa by a landslide.­...and...w­ell you know how that turned out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 06/16/2008
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there is an article by zogby the pollster in Huffpo today.

Check it out.

it basically says despite all of us that much of the country has yet to pay much attention! Amazing, huh?

In other words polls are not something to worry about at this stage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 06/17/2008
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If people are so incensed because Hillary lost the nomination (and she did lose), that they would vote for McCain or write in or whatever they are thinking, they are hurting themselves and their children and their grandchildren. This country is gravely ill and another Republican president will bury it. Serious business, folks. Think about it. And, Obama will run again in 2012 if he should lose this time, because of the stuborness of ill-informed Clinton supporters, who would change parties or write in to spite Obama. Only a very inmature person will cut their nose off to spite their face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 06/16/2008
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To fellow Democrats who are disappointed and are considering voting for McCain:

Obama will be absolutely fine if he loses this election. He's a US senator with a bestselling book who doesn't have a child fighting in Iraq or need health care or need a job. It's you and me and ordinary Americans across the country who will have to deal with four more years without health insurance, with jobs being shipped overseas, with their children fighting in Iraq. Please give Obama a chance to do some good for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/16/2008
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