What Happens If Obama And McCain Reach Exact Tie In Electoral College?

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FiveThirtyEight.com   |   June 17, 2008 10:01 AM



Since we got some good discussion started in the polling thread about the possibility of a 269-269 electoral tie, I thought I'd run some numbers on it.

The simulation returned a tie 63 times out of 10,000 trials (0.63%). These 63 ties involved 56 distinct scenarios for producing that tie. The only scenarios to occur more than once were as follows:

4 Times: Obama wins Kerry states plus Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico, but loses New Hampshire. This is one of the two "obvious" scenarios. It matches the current polling in every state but Nevada, which would have to flip to McCain.

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Way too early to make a call but things will surely change as Senator Obama hits back all their attacks and we see McCain debate him. Not gonna be close. Nasty and dirty but not close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/17/2008

they'll get into a boxing ring and fight it out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 06/17/2008

Won't happen.........New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, and Missouri should all easily go democratic this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/17/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr. permalink

Does no one read the Constitution anymore? Jeez. Lemme check the copy in my vest pocket, and cross-check Drudge ...

Okay, here it is: in an electoral tie, the Chief Justice appoints himself President; the youngest law clerk becomes Veep.

However, District of Columbia ethics rules bar bar the Chief Justice from swearing himself in, disqualifying Roberts -- so by tradition President defaults to the senior Justice, John Paul Stevens.

However, that's only until the next running of the Kentucky Derby. Each candidate, by lottery, is assigned a horse. (VP candidates are assigned geldings.) Win and place determine P/VP, unless a filly is running -- in which case the filly's candidate is either disqualified altogether (see Fiorina vs. PO'd Hewlett-Packard Shareholders) or is entitled to be made President regardless of how well the filly actually runs (cf. Ferraro vs. Obama, Matthews, et al.)

If the Derby is not conclusive, the remaining position(s) are determined by solo hacky sack. Each person self-serves (the rule against same being suspended); the most moves before missing wins (the "Vince Foster" headshot = two points); unless, however, any candidate is disabled, in which case Bill Buckley's most direct male descendant selects a name from the Boston phone book.

If Justice Stevens (age 88) passes away between Inauguration and Derby Day, he is replaced by either Ralph Reed or the President of Planned Parenthood, determined by a pharmacist's toss of a 1965-era cellophane-wrapped Trojan (the "Griswold test").

Hope this helps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 06/17/2008

Jesus Christ, thanks for making my week: M.S Bellows Jr. Funniest post ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 06/17/2008

Another piece of brilliance........aka feces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 06/17/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr. permalink

Gee, what did I ever do to you? I'm going to go sulk, now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/17/2008

I though the sun's relationship to the 8 planets (sorry Pluto) had something to do with it, but after reading your straight-forward explanation, I guess I was wrong.

Why couldn't YOU be my High School history teacher... I at least would've enjoyed classes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/17/2008
- Lane I'm a Fan of Lane permalink

I am currently living in Nevada. I would hate to be in a state responsible for deciding the vote as this article states. God help any state in the precarious position of being the one that elected McSame and we continued down this same destructive path.

Are you listening Nevadans???????????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 06/17/2008

More out of touchness.

Obama's gonna win several traditionally red SOUTHERN states, as well as the Kerry states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 06/17/2008

In case of a tie, Hillary gets it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 06/17/2008

Probably the most intriguing situation is if there is indeed an electoral tie yet McCain wins the popular vote. Would a Democratic majority in the House and the Senate follow the will of the majority of the people? Would there be chaos? Real chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 06/17/2008
- MACS I'm a Fan of MACS permalink

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No more than when the supremes CORINATED bush.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 06/17/2008

Don't forget that Dems were all about popular voting until it got ugly between Clinton and Obama. Then all of the sudden its all about the delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 06/17/2008

CORONATED*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/17/2008

Dont you wish they had boldface, italics and underline options to highlight your idiocy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/17/2008
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It would be like one candidate winning the popular vote while the other wins the electoral vote - just can't happen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 06/17/2008
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In that case the Supreme Court will take over again and guess who they'll choose. The conservative. I pray this doesn't happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 06/17/2008
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Constitutionally, it would be decided by the congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 06/17/2008
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Please, read the entire item. The Supreme Court really has no role
if an Electoral Vote tie happens. It seems very complicated, but the
House of Reps (one vote per state) chooses the President, and
the Senate elects the VP. In each case, from among the top vote
getters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/17/2008

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 06/17/2008
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that is not gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 06/17/2008

Tim Russert had a prediction months before the 2000 election that one would win the popular vote and one would win the electoral college.

He had another prediction this year, an electoral college tie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 06/17/2008
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And he will have been wrong by only 60 electors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 06/17/2008

TBQH, I place a lot more faith in Tim Russert, kevenseven. Nothing against you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 06/17/2008

Goes to the new house of representatives and Obama wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 06/17/2008
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Interesting & ironic, in the tie situation, DC (Washington, the capitol)
which votes in the Electoral College, apparently has no vote
in the House of Reps tie-breaker. In this scenario, the Senate
chooses the VP, who will become acting President if the House
can't agree on who's it's to be.

And we thought it was bad when the Supreme Court made the choice...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 06/17/2008
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