Democrats Side With Republicans To Shield Telecoms Participating In Civilian Surveillance From Lawsuits

PAMELA HESS | June 19, 2008 07:31 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — House and Senate leaders have agreed to a compromise surveillance bill that would effectively shield from civil lawsuits the telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap phone and computer lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without court permission.

The House was expected to pass the bill Friday, potentially ending a monthslong standoff about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said the bill "balances the needs of our intelligence community with Americans' civil liberties and provides critical new oversight and accountability requirements."

The issue of legal protection for telecommunications companies that participated in warrantless wiretapping has been the largest sticking point. The Senate passed a bill that immunized them from lawsuits, but the House bill was silent on the matter.

The White House had threatened to veto any bill that did not shield the companies, which tapped lines at the behest of the president and attorney general but without permission from a special court established for that purpose, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. On Thursday, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said the bill met the standards sought by Bush and that the president supported it.

Warrantless wiretapping went on for almost six years until it was revealed by The New York Times. Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the companies by people and groups who think the government illegally eavesdropped on them.

The compromise bill would have a federal district court review certifications from the attorney general saying the telecommunications companies received presidential orders telling them wiretaps were needed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack. If the paperwork were in order, the judge would dismiss the lawsuit.

Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, the second-ranking Republican, predicted all the cases would go away.

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Under the compromise, the district judge would for the first time be allowed to read the top-secret letters from Bush administration officials _ usually the attorney general _ to the companies requesting domestic wiretaps without court orders, according to Democratic aides. Each company got around 40 such letters, they said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The compromise bill would also require the inspectors general of the Justice Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies to investigate the wiretapping program to determine both its scope and legality. The report is due in a year.

Those two provisions, immunity and investigation, are meant to balance two competing concerns. Advocates for telecom protection say the companies acted in good faith and that the wiretaps were necessary to avert another terrorist attack. Opponents to immunity say civil lawsuits are the best way to determine whether the Bush administration illegally spied on Americans.

Not all Democrats were falling in line with the compromise. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Sens. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin said they opposed immunity. Feingold called the bill a "capitulation."

"The House and Senate should not be taking up this bill, which effectively guarantees immunity for telecom companies alleged to have participated in the president's illegal program, and which fails to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans at home," Feingold said.

Several privacy and civil rights said Thursday they opposed the bill. The liberal political activist group MoveOn.org was organizing a phone campaign Thursday to pressure House members to defeat it.

Sixty-eight senators were expected to support the compromise, enough to defeat any filibuster attempt. The previous Senate bill, which gave the companies blanket immunity, passed with 67 votes. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, was expected to join that group because the new bill includes a measure she championed_ making FISA the only legal authority for wiretapping for intelligence purposes.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said passage of the bill by Congress was necessary before August when the first yearlong surveillance orders approved under a previous surveillance regime would run out.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Amendment bill also would:

_Require FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.

_Prohibit targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval.

_Allow the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.

_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

_Prohibit the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to superseding surveillance rules in the future.

The new FISA bill, if it became law, would expire in 2012.

WASHINGTON — House and Senate leaders have agreed to a compromise surveillance bill that would effectively shield from civil lawsuits the telecommunications companies that helped the government ...
WASHINGTON — House and Senate leaders have agreed to a compromise surveillance bill that would effectively shield from civil lawsuits the telecommunications companies that helped the government ...
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- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 77 fans permalink


UPDATE Friday 12:19 PM EASTERN TIME:

I just called BO's Washington Office (202-224-2854) and they indicated that BO is talking over his position on this RIGHT NOW with his staff. And, I understood, my comment WOULD be passed along in time.

PLEASE CALL HIM RIGHT NOW AND ASK HIM TO HELP US KILL THIS BILL!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/20/2008

While many Democrats and Progressives are caught up in Obama fever and the prospect of defeating the Republicans in the fall, the Democrats in Congress are quietly undermining our efforts through awful legislation. They are protecting their own internal interests that includes non-accountability, and a lust for power.

This election is becoming a distraction from the really BIG decisions that truly matter that are currently being decided. The FISA bill is devastating. The vote to continue war funding with no time tables is devastating. The lack of organized opposition by the Democratic leadership to the Security Pact agreement with Iraq is grossly irresponsible. Barack Obama's decision to forgo public financing was unprincipled. There is a lot of work to do. Let's get started!

I am starting to see Obama as an elusive and evasive candidate who tends to disappear on the issues that matter at the moment. We seem to get platitudes and promises of a better future. I want to see Obama step up to the plate and strongly oppose (with a press conference) the FISA legislation pending in Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 06/20/2008

No terrorist attacks on US soil in almost 7 years -- this administration seems to be doing something right. Good luck getting a liberal to admit that. Nope, they instead see the Bush boogie man listening in on their conversations with grandma overseas. I'm still waiting for a single documented case where this surveillance program has been abused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/20/2008
- Sciguy I'm a Fan of Sciguy 11 fans permalink
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This really makes me angry. Those gutless Democrats should be voted out of office... but then who would replace them? Repubs who are even worse, I suppose. So - depending on where one lives - our choices are voting for b*stards who don't believe in the Constitution but say they do, or b*stards who don't even say they believe in the Constitution. The answer to *** that *** grouse used to be "Run for office yourself, then." But nowadays, if you want to have anything in your private life remain part of your private life, you don't run FOR office, you run FROM it.

---sigh--- Such is life in the US. It's frustrating, just trying to decide what breed of sheep we should be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 06/20/2008

I feel your frustration. The civil war inside the Democratic party has already started. HRC was its first casualty. There will be more-- many more. We will need create a series of principled litmus tests that Democrats will either support or face internal Party opposition to their reelections.

This fight is just beginning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/20/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 77 fans permalink


Thanks for this post. Yes, I hope so. I'm a soldier in the battle. I am, simply, a patriot - the real kind, one who has read and understands the constitution... My litmus test is simple: the constitution comes first and anything contrary is traitorous.

Keep up the good fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/21/2008

WTF is this? Why even have it then...
_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

Are you telling me that in this giant bueracracy they can't even guarantee a systematic way of getting legitimate approval in a matter of minutes in the case of emergency? I mean, what the hell?

What else can't they figure out or refuse to figure out as an excuse to get a loophole or free pass? That's right... almost everything!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 06/20/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 77 fans permalink


In the old rules it was that they had to secure the appropriate approval within three days or stop the data collection.

Some "improvement," eh, Nancy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 06/20/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 32 fans permalink
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I wrote Speaker Pelosi and reminded her office that Congress has an obligation to protect the American
people from threats both from within as well as those from without.

Far too often Congress instead chooses to protect itself from percieved political threat than do it's
job .

I am strongly opposed giving retroactive immunity to the telecoms, for their collabration with the criminal White House.

The message sent is that break the law now and we will change the law to get you off scot free.

Remember that how you vote on this will come back the haunt you just as Hillary's wasr vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 06/20/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

Email Steny the Traitor. I called him a contemptible scumbag, but feel free to use your own words.

http://www.majorityleader.gov/email_and_rss/email_the_leader/index.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/20/2008
- Mykal I'm a Fan of Mykal 2 fans permalink


Through out the ages

If You and I

Conducted ourselves

As our government does

We would be locked up

The key to the lock

Smelted into something shiny

Bought by the unwary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 06/19/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

So this is where HuffPo buried the most important story of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 06/19/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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Apparently justice is off the table. I am very discouraged and I think I have come to a point where, if the Dems won't protect us and hold the telecoms accountable then its reasonable to expect that they won't hold the Bushies accountable either... very disheartening. I am thinking that I will pass on voting this time around. Nobody gets my vote, nobody deserves it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 06/19/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 77 fans permalink


That's not going to help - they win if you do.

Instead VOTE SELECTIVELY.

Start your choice earlier. Choose alternative Dems in the PRIMARIES. And choose independents where they offer a good choice. Dropping out is not an answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 06/19/2008
- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG 46 fans permalink
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Politicians are practical, and so are weasels!
When Man enact laws that are not rooted in the immutablitity of Cosmic Law, he is like a ship at sea, with no sail, and no rudder! This results in unending, multiplicitous relativism, where the law gives deference to the moment, and those few who presume sustantive power to the detriment of the "many". This also gives rise to a system, perverted by the ignorance of its own standing in Nature, making it necessary to create thousands of laws, and a thousand lawyers to become their advocate, or their adversary! Throughout its history, the congress has never truly understood that liberty, especially in ignorance, can never take liberties without the counsel of Natural Law, for it is that platform from which all things exist and function.
The congress, when voiding its own laws, and constitutional responsibility for the sake of political expediency, sets into motion an incalculable series ramifications, and unintended consequences, exacted by the application of Natural Law. Anyone, with any objectivity, can see the results of these misapplications of Law in almost every aspect of American life.
Freedom is not free from the laws of Nature!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 06/19/2008
- vet64 I'm a Fan of vet64 18 fans permalink

So how many of these Treasonous Scumbags have financial holdings in the same Neo Con owned Conglomerates which are owned and managed by Israel??? Take a look at the ownership of the Neo Con owned News Media Conglomerates.... See how many of the ownership and management is Jewish....
So why are we being manipulated by a foreign company???? Neo Con Twitter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 06/19/2008
- vet64 I'm a Fan of vet64 18 fans permalink

You miserable excuses for Neo Con journalism need to review whgat I wrote before posting!!! I hope the hell the true Patriots see you miserable Treasonous Neo Con Scumbags when it's time to pay the piper for what the corrupted Senate is doing to the same United States Constitution the Founding Fathers fought and died for!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/19/2008
- vet64 I'm a Fan of vet64 18 fans permalink

About time for a Revolution to rid ourselves of the Neo Con Parasites, Republican Mushrooms and the Religious Idiots who are supporting the Neo Con owned Conglomerates including the Israeli owned News Media Conglomerates.
Remember these bastards compromise only 11-20% of Americans still supporting these Neo Con Parasites.
The Neo Con owned Conglomerates are funding the Neo Con Think Tanks who are yanking King Pinocchios puppet strings along with the other Conflict of Interest and Collusion challenged Neo Con Parasites infesting the Executive Branch.
In cahoots with the same Conflict of Interest and Collusion challenged Republican, Democratic and Independent Legislators.
When they say my friends on the other aisle.. They mean their fellow conspirators in selling out the same United States Constitution the Founding Fathers fought and died for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/19/2008

This is one of the biggest shams we have seen out of "our" people yet.
Why are Dems supporting this?
They are trying to shield themselves somehow. Pelosi and Hoyer have got something to hide. Mark my words they are either on the take or they are covering up some of their own criminality. They were in on the wiretapping, they signed off on it, they are complicit, and somebody has them by the neck.

Are you angry?

Where is Obama today to comment on this?

Are we being thrown under the bus by him too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/19/2008
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