Bombs kill 5 foreign troops in Afghanistan

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | June 21, 2008 02:23 PM EST | AP

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Chef of operational department Gen. Sher Mohammad Karimi speaks during a press conference in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, June 21, 2008. Roadside bombs kill five foreign troops and two Afghan soldiers amid a surge of deadly violence across Afghanistan's south and east. The deaths raise the possibility of more foreign forces dying in Afghanistan than in Iraq for a second straight month. (AP Photo/Rahmat Gul)

KABUL, Afghanistan — Roadside bombs killed five foreign troops and five government soldiers Saturday, part of a surge of violence that has made Afghanistan's battlefields deadlier for foreign forces than those in Iraq.

The U.S. administration already has highlighted the Iraq-Afghan comparison to lobby its NATO allies _ with limited success _ to commit more forces to Afghanistan for a conflict likely to test the West's stomach for a long, grinding war.

Violence continues unabated despite the more than 60,000 foreign troops in the country and fresh pledges of financial aid to President Hamid Karzai's struggling government.

Last year, more than 8,000 people were killed in insurgency-related attacks _ the most since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion _ and violence has claimed more than 1,700 lives so far this year.

Marvin Weinbaum, a former State Department official and now an Afghan expert at the Washington-based Middle East Institute, said the rising casualties would sharpen the focus on Afghanistan in the U.S. presidential race.

"What's being brought home is the nature of the conflict. It's in the true fashion of a guerrilla operation and we're not prepared for it," Weinbaum said.

In Saturday's deadliest incident, a roadside bomb hit a coalition convoy west of the main southern city of Kandahar, killing four troops and wounding two others.

Coalition spokesman Lt. Col. Paul Fanning said gunmen opened fire on the damaged vehicles and three Afghans also were hurt. He declined to release the nationality of the troops, who were involved in training Afghan forces.

To the east, a Polish soldier from the separate NATO-led force died when a bomb hit his patrol after midnight in Paktika province. Jacek Poplawski, a Polish military spokesman in Warsaw, Poland, said four other soldiers were wounded.

In a separate incidents, attackers detonated bombs and opened fire on vehicles carrying Afghan troops in Zabul and Kunar provinces, killing five soldiers and wounding three.

The bombings capped a bloody week. NATO and Afghan troops backed by warplanes on Wednesday attacked up to 400 Taliban militants who had seized the strategic Arghandab valley, within striking distance of Kandahar.

Lt. Gen. Sher Mohammad Karimi, chief of operations for the Afghan Defense Ministry, said Afghan troops had counted the bodies of 94 insurgents and were holding 29 suspects.

About three-quarters of the militants were foreigners, and villagers said they heard them speaking Arabic and Urdu _ the main language of Pakistan, Karimi told reporters in Kabul.

NATO has sought to play down the threat to Kandahar, the Taliban's former capital, and urged citizens not to panic.

However, Karimi said the Taliban had planned to seize the whole province. The militants took Arghandab when the army was busy shoring up Kandahar after 400 militants escaped from the city's jail last week, he said.

The military success in Arghandab was tempered by concern at how easily militants had infiltrated a region dominated by one of the region's strongest tribes. NATO says its rapid response in tandem with the Afghan army was a great success.

But foreign troops remain vulnerable to roadside bombs.

A total of 31 foreign troops have died this month, including four British soldiers, four American troops and another member of the U.S.-led coalition killed earlier this week, according to an Associated Press tally.

In Iraq, where violence has decreased in recent months, 19 have died, though the 200 killed there so far this year is double Afghanistan's total.

Afghan and NATO officials suspect recent efforts by the government of neighboring Pakistan to negotiate peace deals with militants based there has allowed the groups to focus their fire on Afghanistan.

But Karimi also warned against underestimating the Taliban's underlying strength, demonstrated by their conquest of Afghanistan in the 1990s and ability to bounce back after their ouster.

He urged Afghanistan's Western backers to speed its training of Afghan police and expand the army beyond its planned ceiling of 70,000.

"We are not fighting with a simple man who has just come out of a mosque ... he is well trained and armed and is an expert in guerrilla warfare," Karimi said.

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Associated Press writers Rahim Faiez in Kabul, Noor Khan in Kandahar, and Vanessa Gera in Warsaw, Poland contributed to this report.

 
 

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- iratior See Profile I'm a Fan of iratior permalink

The idea behind NATO was supposed to be that, if member nation(s) were attacked, the others would come to its defense. The meaning of "defense" seems to have been overlooked. NATO was supposed to provide aid only for a member's defense -- not for a member's conquests or aggrandizements. When the war on terrorism involved just Afghanistan, NATO's aid for military operations was consistent with its original conception: the U.S. had been attacked, and aid was appropriately offered, to fight back against Al Qaeda and its host, the Taliban. But as soon as the Bush administration started the conquest of Iraq, justification fell apart. In effect, the NATO presence in Afghanistan came to have the illegitimate purpose of enabling Bush to conquer Iraq. Such aspects of Iraq operations as the surge might never have been possible if NATO troops in Afghanistan hadn't permitted Bush to divert troops otherwise needed there to be in Iraq instead. NATO soldiers are dying so Bush can complete a conquest of Iraq; Europeans and Canadians should be furious at being so used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 06/28/2008
- ornovscot See Profile I'm a Fan of ornovscot permalink

Although this is tragic and sad, it is not surprising or unanticipated.


The foreign policies of the United States need to be changed for the better. Our country needs to accept that it cannot, or that it should not, be militarily involved in various countries.


If the experiences in Vietnam taught this country anything, surely, they taught the United States the limitations and the unfortunate consequences of military force.


Our country needs to return to its non-imperial traditions. And the United States needs to find a non-military way of interacting with the world.


This post isn't a call for isolationism, as it is a call to find a better way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 06/21/2008
- darthdarcy See Profile I'm a Fan of darthdarcy permalink

When Bush punked out at Tora Bora and allowed bin-Laden and all these Taliban to escape and then failed to pursue them into the border region this was all a matter of time..

The Pakistani ISI flew a bunch of them out of a city nearby Tora Bora...and Bush also let a caravan of 1,500 cars drive out of Afghanistan full of al-Qaeda and Taliban not far from Tora Bora..

Why doesn't the Congress hold hearings on what happened at Tora Bora, why did we let bin-Laden escape, why did Bus give bin-Laden a Truce to help him escape...why didn't Bus send the 6-800 troops The CIA and Special Forces were begging for to cut off bin-Laden's escape..

Is the Real War on Terror a fraud, was Bush in on it..and wanted bin-Laden escape, or just let him get away because of the close relationship between the Bush's and bin-Laden families..?

The Democrats should be pounding the Republicans over Tora Bora and the failures in Afghanistan...

Bush says he listens to the commanders on the ground well they begged for 7,000 more Troops or a few more than that, and he sent only 3,300 so that all B.S. as well..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 06/21/2008
- wadenelson1 See Profile I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 permalink

Let me see if I understand.

Pakistan's intelligence agency (ISI) created and funded the Taliban.

Pakistan is our ally.

We're at war with the Taliban.

Why?

Aside from briefly giving aid and comfort (shelter) to Osama bin Ladin, why aren't we at war with PAKISTAN, where OBL now resides, instead of a religious group that wants to control Afghanistan.

We're packing up our bags soon enough. Why not focus on capturing OBL in the time left instead of arguing with a bunch of fundies who want to control Afghanistan instead of allowing the hyper-corrupt Karzai to run the show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 06/21/2008
- NewAmericanCenturySucks See Profile I'm a Fan of NewAmericanCenturySucks permalink

You asked why we're at war with the Taliban. A valid question; as we speak, in Indonesia, girls my daughter's age are being sold into sexual slavery as a tourist attraction, yet none of the big, brave hawks running Western foreign policy so much as threaten military action to liberate those poor little girls. Why Afghanistan especially?

The thing we're not supposed to talk about is that Big Oil needs their precious natural gas pipeline connecting vast deposits in the Caspian Basin to lucrative markets accessible via the Indian Ocean. They can't go through Russia, and they can't go through Iran; that just leaves Afghanistan. The Taliban wouldn't play ball with Big Oil, and thus had to be dehumanized, butchered, and conquered. The pipeline will run right through Kandahar - the location of yesterday's bombing.

Reason I'm up on this is because the story broke today that the U.S. was trying to saddle Canada - who joined up to help capture bin Laden, and who has suffered heavier per capita casualties there than the U.S. - with the task of guarding this pipeline. Good luck with that.

Whipsmart13 covers Pakistan succinctly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/21/2008
- Whipsmart13 See Profile I'm a Fan of Whipsmart13 permalink

Pakistan has nuclear arms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 06/21/2008
- Y2KCockroach See Profile I'm a Fan of Y2KCockroach permalink

I was down at the beach the other day, and I watched a young child as he tried to shovel water out of a hole that he had dug in the sand, and I thought that this was really no different than what some adults are doing in Afghanistan. There was nothing "heroic" in what the child was doing, and there was nothing particularly productive in what he was doing; the more that he dug, the more water flowed in. Contrary to his best efforts, there was the air of inevitable failure to the exercise, obvious to all except to the little fellow who was so furiously shoveling, and to his little friends who were urging him on. To the little boy it did not matter what others thought however, as he was supremely confident in his chances of success. Although I left long before the child finished his self-appointed task, I personally had no doubts as to how the story was going to end. My only real question was whether this little boy would end up shoveling water out of a hole in Afghanistan some day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

You can only make people change, if you have a gun to their head, you can make them dance , like in cowboy movies, you can make them denounce their country, like Mac did, but don't ever lower your weapon, they might turn on you. No, make that, they WILL turn on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/21/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado permalink

Good Post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/21/2008
- hmmmmmer See Profile I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer permalink

I understand why we are in Afghanistan, but what the hell are we doing in Iraq, it is the one main reason we are still in Afghanistan and the mission there is not finished. Bush is the root of all evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 06/21/2008
- OlongapoEd See Profile I'm a Fan of OlongapoEd permalink

"Well, the more that die, the more you'll have to honor."

Exactly. It ought to be obvious that those on the right welcome the deaths of US military personnel. The more military personnel who die in Iraq & Afghanistan, the more dead people those on the right have to use as emotional blackmail for continuing these wars. Cheap displays of shallow sentimetality should not blind us to the reality that those on the right are willing and often eager to have other people die for the sake of the right ideology (pun intended).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

What do the poll ssay ? Pollster ; Hey there everyday average American , do you know why American troops are still in Afghanistan ? Average Joe ; Huh ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 06/21/2008
- helonias See Profile I'm a Fan of helonias permalink

And how many did the Russians lose.

Anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

Some, a few, many, a lot ? They skeedaddled, just like we will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 06/21/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado permalink

If the Russians or Chinese or somebody would furnish the Taliban stinger missles like we did when they were fighting the Russians we would skeedaddle a lot faster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 06/21/2008
- truthoutdotduh See Profile I'm a Fan of truthoutdotduh permalink

Nobody in Afghanistan had anyting to do with the events of 9/11. And even if they were, the killing, maiming, and displacing of thousands of Afghani civilians was hardly the appropriate response to the events of 9/11 anyway. The real culprits are domestic in nature. They are the ones who need to be brought to justice for what amounted to the crimes of the century. Who ever did the anthrax thing probably did 9/11 as well, and that was not Osama bin Laden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

Someone explain to me what we are doing in Afghanistan, what is the " mission " ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/21/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado permalink

The mission is run and protect an oil pipeline through Afganistan to Liberate the middle east from their oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/21/2008
- aturner18 See Profile I'm a Fan of aturner18 permalink

sounds good to me. First come first serve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

I bet someone is trying to answer my poser, but is stuck in modland ; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 06/21/2008
- Amennyc See Profile I'm a Fan of Amennyc permalink

Oh, Afghanistan. Right. I forgot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 06/21/2008
- janmarie See Profile I'm a Fan of janmarie permalink

The most important story is how the world economy will crash when the little bully state of israel attacks iran...i don't get it....will 10.00 a gallon wake people up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 06/21/2008
- Chrisa See Profile I'm a Fan of Chrisa permalink

The people calling Afghanistan "a war of choice," and claiming that it is an imperialist war for oil have flunked geography, have a short memory, and are drowning in their own koolaid. Stop confusing Afghanistan (where we should be), and Iraq (where we shouldn't be).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

Why should we be in Afghanistan, Bin is in Pakistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 06/21/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado permalink

Bin is dead. Maggots licked their chops a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 06/21/2008
- StaninLA See Profile I'm a Fan of StaninLA permalink

After failing to pursue OBL, tell us again the distinctions of our being being in Afghanistan today compared to the USSR back in the 80's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 06/21/2008
- fishsandwichesr2good See Profile I'm a Fan of fishsandwichesr2good permalink

Doesn't matter to a liberal. If W's name is associate with it, they long for it to fail just so they can say "Told You So".

"Hating America first -- can't help it, I was born that way..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 06/21/2008
- texastornado See Profile I'm a Fan of texastornado permalink

What do you mean" if W's name is associated with it, they long for it to fail just so they can say " Told YOU So" ? W has been a failure all of his #$%@ing life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/21/2008
- lornejl See Profile I'm a Fan of lornejl permalink

An extremest rightie Constitution hating ,bigoted war monger giving lessons in morality, no thanks fascist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 06/21/2008
- lainey See Profile I'm a Fan of lainey permalink

Great point Chrisa. My sentiments exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/21/2008
- aturner18 See Profile I'm a Fan of aturner18 permalink

Fascist is something the left desires to be

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 06/21/2008
- geobushono See Profile I'm a Fan of geobushono permalink

the taliban will eventually take over the whole country.........
we have no business there except business.
The Marines need a few good pawns.
Karzai needs more baubels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/21/2008
- aturner18 See Profile I'm a Fan of aturner18 permalink

Taliban takeover, so say you. the people of afghan feel that is unlikely by over 80%. Business? Yea, so capitalism is a bad thing. Seems to keep you in a job working off the backs of others for your overtime greed. Let's Ask them whether they think they're pawns

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