Feingold: Why Can't Dems Can Be Tough On Security And Civil Liberties?

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First Posted: 06-24-08 12:02 PM   |   Updated: 07- 2-08 05:12 AM

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UPDATED BELOW: Sens. Feingold and Chris Dodd have announced their intent to "oppose efforts to end debate" on the FISA bill headed to the Senate for consideration. Scroll below for the full text of their joint statement.

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If you are a hardcore civil libertarian -- the kind of citizen whose heart rate goes up at the mention of obscure legislative acronyms like FISA (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) or PAA (the Protect America Act) -- then Sen. Russ Feingold is one of your heroes. His unwavering commitment to first principles has left him on the solitary end of many a vote in the Senate, where he was the lone voice of opposition to the Patriot Act's debut incarnation.

But even as his national constituency thrills to Feingold's gadfly voting record, the important question to ask is why, with Democrats now in control of Congress, he still finds himself alone so frequently. Or, more accurately, why the Democratic caucus is so often split on national security votes.

As FISA returns to the Senate this week -- now with a near-certain immunity clause for the telephone companies that aided President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program -- Feingold himself said Monday that he expects to lose "too many Democrats" to the Republican block in the Senate.

"I'm blue in the face already," he told a gathering at the New America Foundation in Washington, D.C on Monday. "We're gonna fall over on this and I'm very unhappy about that."

The cynic's explanation for the "falling over" phenomenon holds that, on any national security issue, there are enough Democrats who are nervous about being painted as weak -- or who actually are not conflicted in the slightest about valuing security over civil liberties -- that they can be easily peeled away from their caucus in order to give united Republicans a filibuster-proof majority, despite the fact that the GOP no longer controls the Senate.

That intellectual state of affairs in the Democratic Party amounts to an either-or choice between viability on matters of civil liberties or national defense. In the post 9/11 era, it's a decision that has appeared to be a slam dunk in favor of the latter. Instead of trying to make the argument in reverse, it's clear that Sen. Feingold is now trying to do away with that unappealing dichotomy once and for all by staking out new ground on the security frontier.

To demonstrate how the two priorities are not mutually exclusive, Feingold has picked this week to roll out new legislation, co-sponsored by Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, to create an independent commission to investigate and improve the nation's intelligence gathering operation. The significance of the timing is unmistakable, as Feingold is virtually certain to kick up a stink in the Senate over FISA at the same time he's rolling out his new proposal.

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The implicit message: you can stick up for civil liberties and national security simultaneously.

Should the Feingold-Hagel commission on intelligence ever come into being, the Wisconsin Democrat believes it will note how the Bush-era view of foreign intelligence as principally derived from clandestine operations has short-changed America's ability to exploit non-covert diplomatic reporting and what Feingold calls "open source information" available by simply having a presence in any given country.

Describing a 2001 congressional trip to Nigeria, Sen. Feingold recounted seeing postcards of Libyan leader (and then official terrorist) Moammar Ghaddafi and Osama bin Laden selling briskly on the Muslim street (literally). "'I want to get briefed on this,'" Feingold said he told his staff at the time, adding that the northern town was an important city in Islamic history, sitting on a major trade route, but had no U.S. consulate with "ears on the ground."

Feingold's briefing on regional sympathy for bin Laden was scheduled for Sept. 13, 2001.

But by simultaneously invoking the specter of America's unpreparedness before 9/11 and what he calls its "distraction" in Iraq starting in 2003, Feingold is hoping that a critique of the Republicans' handling of security issues will not block out from the public's mind his own proposals for making America stronger in the fight against terrorism.

As The Huffington Post has previously reported, many progressive scholars and foreign policy analysts are hoping that more Democrats will stop running from the fight with Republicans over national security -- no less an authority than Gen. Wesley Clark said he saw Democrats creating a more "full-service party" on security issues -- but while these figures may all hope for this change or sense some ground shifting, as yet there's little empirical evidence to validate those positions.

Indeed, two recent polls conducted by Gallup reveal the strange position that Democrats still find themselves in on security issues. In mid-May, the firm found that a majority of Democrats and Independents (as well as nearly half of Republicans) thought it would be "a good idea for the president of the United States to meet with the president of Iran" -- an idea that sounds very close to a plank in Barack Obama's national security platform.

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Given that the issue of diplomacy with Iran has been one of John McCain's favored bludgeons over the past few weeks, you might expect Gallup's polling to show that the same Americans who support Obama's policies might view McCain as less well equipped to handle the threat of terrorism overall. Not so. In a June Gallup survey, McCain's only issue area of dominance was on the question of which candidate would do a "better job" on terrorism, on which he beat Obama to the tune of 19 points.

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What this suggests is that while the Democrats' hoped-for resurgence on national security could possibly be underway, it has thus far failed to materialize in the electorate.

Still, the maverick Feingold is set to chip away at the existing stereotypes Democrats face on national security. Just because he's trying to gain traction as a thoughtful proponent of stronger intelligence gathering doesn't mean he'll hang up his spurs on the FISA bill when it passes back through the Senate. Asked after his Monday address whether he and others might mount a filibuster on FISA, Feingold ducked the issue deftly by saying "I'm not in a position to talk about exactly what's going on with that in the committee." [See update below: Feingold and Dodd have revealed that a filibuster is a possibility.]

Still, he noted that both he and Senator Chris Dodd met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid last Friday and indicated their joint desire that "this thing not just be jammed through." According to Feingold, "we will be requiring key procedural votes," he said, "and also be taking some time on the floor this week to indicate the problems with this legislation. We're not just going to let it quickly pass."

UPDATE: Here is the full text of a joint statement issued by Sen. Feingold and Sen. Dodd on Tuesday afternoon:

"This is a deeply flawed bill, which does nothing more than offer retroactive immunity by another name. We strongly urge our colleagues to reject this so-called 'compromise' legislation and oppose any efforts to consider this bill in its current form. We will oppose efforts to end debate on this bill as long as it provides retroactive immunity for the telecommunications companies that may have participated in the President's warrantless wiretapping program, and as long as it fails to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans.

"If the Senate does proceed to this legislation, our immediate response will be to offer an amendment that strips the retroactive immunity provision out of the bill. We hope our colleagues will join us in supporting Americans' civil liberties by opposing retroactive immunity and rejecting this so-called 'compromise' legislation."

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UPDATED BELOW: Sens. Feingold and Chris Dodd have announced their intent to "oppose efforts to end debate" on the FISA bill headed to the Senate for consideration. Scroll below for the full text of th...
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- nitestik I'm a Fan of nitestik 2 fans permalink

If Harry Reid were really against this bill, he'd make sure it was never brought to the floor for a vote. But he is, and so he will.

Let's hope dodd and Feingold bring lots of reading materials down to the well of the Senate, 'cause it looks like they're the only two with the stones to stop this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 06/25/2008
- dayala I'm a Fan of dayala 19 fans permalink

it's time for Obama to show the American people(and the world) what he's made of and that is ready to take on the Karl Rove Fear Machine by joining Dodd and Feingold in the fight...if he doesn't then he is just another politician running a facade campaign and I'll cast my vote for Barr or Nader.

I urge everyone who has posted here contact your Senators, get anyone and everyone you know to bombard their offices with calls, then get a stem-cell researcher to grow some backbone for the rest of the spineless worthless Democrats.

where's Joe Biden on this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 06/25/2008
- BaltoAman I'm a Fan of BaltoAman 2 fans permalink

Pollster: What do you think about the FISA bill?

Typical doped-up american: I'm already paying FISA, they take it out of my paycheck.

Can the American-I­dol-addict­ed electorate of this country even get their heads around issues like global energy demand, healthcare, geopolitics, foreign affairs? How are they supposed to pick the candidate who will best handle these issues??

So the poll above says McSane will do a better job with Terrorism? I agree - I'm already terrified.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 06/25/2008

I respect Senator Feingold and his efforts. Political courage is like a disease. It can kill you in the political arena. It is almost an oxymoron. I am continually disappointed in the Democratic senators and congressmen. They so quickly give up their stated principles.

Think of where we are today. Torture is what the U.S. does. That is now the norm. Where were the Democrats?

The President wanted to invade Iraq for purposes that made sense to him. He and his strategists knew they could not get the American people to accept the invasion without convincing them that Iraq was a threat. They lied and sold fear. It worked because the Democrats are spineless.

The question is: do you want to live in a authoritarian, fear based country or not. The current Republican Party says yes. What does the Democratic Party stand on this? The rhetoric from the Democrates says no, but then they step back when they need to take a stand.

Joe McCarthy was a demagogue who stayed in power as long as he did because of fear and political cowardice. The same scenario is playing itself out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 06/25/2008

Does anyone know who else is on board to support a filibuster? I've heard it's a slim chance, but really? 41 Dems won't support this?

Also, has anyone seen any public opinion polls regarding this FISA bill? I'd be interested in seeing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 06/24/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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I don't think they have done a poll on the FISA issue because they don't want to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 06/25/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

I just wish I had the money to run. I'd make a fine senator or congresscreature. I'd stand up to the Rs, "and how. "

I'd review of all the legislation that's ever been enacted related to civil rights, and I'd put together a package that RESTORED all our rights, addressed all legitimate concerns, AND put in watchers to watch eves-dropping/wire tapping equipment and the PEOPLE who use it, replete with reports, mandatory audits, judicial review, etc. I would include an overhaul of domestic spying, providing rules, guidelines, a framework wherein "secret" things can ALWAYS be discussed in public, and mandate that conviction for illegal syping - and not just the person doing it but all people who BENEFIT - was tantamount to treason, carrying a penalty of life in prison or death by hanging - in public - alleviated ONLY by helping prosecute bosses and clients.

If my colleagues drug their feet, I'd use the press to get the story out. I'd attack their patriotism! I'd use historical comments all over the place! "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself!" Etc. I'd enlist Hollywood if necessary - foreign governments, whatever noise-making can be made. I'd make it so nobody could get elected to dog-catcher without a profound perception that civil rights and freedoms ARE America and that to lose or weaken any right is a direct assault on being American.

"Tell us how you really feel." -sigh- Good to get that off my chest...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 06/24/2008

Sign me up as your first campaign volunteer, RTIII.

I'm with you, darlin'...­it's high time we returned democracy to OUR country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 06/24/2008
- Norm I'm a Fan of Norm 10 fans permalink

Second volunteer here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 06/25/2008

You don't need money to run. We will mail it to you. Just tell us where...

Oh, and can you revisit the body of case law that currently "interprets" the Fourth Amendment (or eviscerates it, more to the point) and enact a rule that when the sole issue to be decided in a criminal appeal is a search and seizure issue, the sentence must be stayed so that when the appellate court, or state supreme court, finally rule that the defendant's rights were violated he or she will not already have served three years in prison?

sigh--Good to get that off my chest too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 06/25/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 124 fans permalink
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What's with that headline?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/24/2008
- LoloZ I'm a Fan of LoloZ 2 fans permalink

Come on, Obama. I have yet to be disappointed by you, but this might be the issue that does it. Join Dodd and Feingold now, and block this. They stood up for you and supported you early on in your campaign. You have to stand up now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/24/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

Be sure to tell HIM directly and not expect him to read this here...

BTW, from his statement last Friday morning, sure looks like he's voting for this bill no matter what. The operative word was "may."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/24/2008
- Levittown I'm a Fan of Levittown 7 fans permalink

The Dems knuckle under out of fear of unpatriotic labels. So what ? They should scream loud and long about the treason of the administrations outing a covert CIA agent during wartime. Thats right. The president has continually told us we are at war with the worlds terrorist and he promised to fire anyone who had a part the the Plame-Wilson affair. And he promised to conduct an investigation into this criminal act. BUT HE NEVER DID !. He lied to the American people on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. These are impeachable offenses. His oath was to protect and defend the Constitution and he defaulted big time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 06/24/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 20 fans permalink
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Restore the Constitution! Defeat the Blue Dog Democrats and all the Repubicans. To arms, progressive patriots. Take back our Country, we can elect progressive candidates and make laws restoring our constitution to the way it was intended. We also must have the chance to appoint our next Supreme Court Justices. This will help us to prosecute our Executive Branch criminals and perpetrators of war crimes. This will also help us to maintain the right to choice.
Unite Progressives! Even the Kucinich Democrats must come on board. Our nation has never been in such a danger of collapse since the Revolutionary war!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 06/24/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

We most needed this kind of rhetoric about a month and a half ago during the democratic PRIMARIES so we could shake up who's on the ballot this November. Now we either have to suffer with some of those DINOs or brave the waters of the independen­ts...

SOME independents are good choices. For example, I'm pushing CindyForCongress.org to replace Nancy Pelosi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/24/2008

I just sent a third of my gubmint "stimulus check" to Ms. Sheehan's campaign.

At my age, irony is waaaaaay better than sex...lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/24/2008

In '06....I was convinced of the necessity of Democratic majorities in Congress (capitalized reluctantly), contributed to several key races and was very pleased by the results.

Since that time, I, like many other Americans, have noticed that the first order of daily business for many Congressional (particularly HOUSE) Democrats has been to spring out of bed and hustle down to the capital and find a Republican to surrender to.

To say that I have been disappointed, disgusted, apalled, and rendered truly cynical would be to understate the case.

To say that I HOPE for improvement this January would be accureate,­...to say that I EXPECT it? Well......­..........­..........­.........

Part of me has come to believe that, given majorities of 401-34 in the house, and 98-2 in the Senate, Dame-Nancy­-of-Pelosi­, and St. Harry-the-Mild would STILL insist that absolutely NOTHING can be done about ANYTHING because "....we just don't have the votes".

One thing Congressional Dems. have proved VERY good at is FOLLOWING. (And giving the President exactly whatever he wants)

Let's hope President Obama exhibits some of his much-vaunted audacity and leads, eh? Oh yes, let's also hope he WANTS something worth having. Guess we'll see.......­..........­.......tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 06/24/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

Well, we just have to be very selective.

The PRIMARY process is where we can effect the most change. Vote out the DINOs during the primary process for best effect.

Here's a tip: This FISA bill is good for ONE THING - it gives us a perfect list of whom we need to keep and whom we need to remove. I suggest you print out the list. Then, look to campaigns you can contribute to, on which ever side - to keep, or remove someone...

I have emailed myself the vote from the House last week. The House has an improved web site (literally yesterday!), so it's easier than ever to get the data...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/24/2008

Not a bad idea, and thanks for the "heads-up" on the website. Regards...­..........­..........­...tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 06/24/2008
- JamesA1102 I'm a Fan of JamesA1102 11 fans permalink
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When the Republicans stand firm, the media says that they are acting on principle.
When the Dems stand firm, the media calls them obstructionists.

When the Republicans compromise, the media says they are being bipartisan for the good of the country.
When the Dems compromise, the says they are spinless and caved.

Why are so many here parroting MSM talking points?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 06/24/2008
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James, I don't think it's so much THAT the Dems 'Compromis­e'... I think it's the issues they choose to 'compromise' on, in that they tend to 'compromise' on the things we hold dear... (like, oh, say... the Constitution)

When they give credence to the notion that Telecoms should be held immune for doing something that immunity is not required for since if it were, that would mean they did something illegal (which of course, this administration claims is NOT the case) then many of us think they picked the wrong hill to surrender in the battle.

They make the Presidents actions seem as if they were legal. They legitimize therefore, the very President that the vast majority of the country, loathes for having taken to illegally spying on us to begin with (amongst other things).

I don't believe in parroting the MSM talking points. I merely believe that the Dems should stand up and be counted as believing in the rule of law that the country was founded on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 06/24/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/24/2008

Of late it seems the only "hill" congressional Dems deem worth fighting for is Capitol Hill and thier own presence on it........­..........­..........­.tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 06/24/2008
- JamesA1102 I'm a Fan of JamesA1102 11 fans permalink
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You're pulling the same crap that right-wingers do when they say agree with me or you don't love America. You've just replaced the word America with Constitution.

And Telecom Immunity is not a Constitutional issue so your argument is entirely specious.

The Dems in Congress have done nothing to make the President's actions seem legal. That's just your spin. They have legitimized nothing. You just have a my way or the highway additude.

And you are parroting MSM talking points. You're just too self-rightous to realize it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/24/2008
- pmorlan I'm a Fan of pmorlan 5 fans permalink

James, in case you haven't noticed the MSM is not even talking about FISA because they want it to pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/24/2008
- jcjewell I'm a Fan of jcjewell 2 fans permalink
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Could you please delineate what "compromise" the Republican minority in the House made with
the Democratic majority, to pass HR6304. What did the Republicans "give up" to the Democrats in order to ensure passage of this bill?

If you can't come up with anything, then you're describing a "capitulation" by Democrats, not a bipartisan "compromise".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 06/24/2008
- Hotshortie I'm a Fan of Hotshortie 5 fans permalink

I personally want someone with balls to take the lead. I am so sick of the wussies who don't stand up for me.

We the people have to stand up and make them start doing their jobs!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 06/24/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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Vote Green, that would scare them.

They are so sure of our vote, that they abuse us, and our liberties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 06/24/2008
- JamesA1102 I'm a Fan of JamesA1102 11 fans permalink
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Voting Green really worked out for the country in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 06/24/2008

We can all take the time to thank the cajones on this guy ourselves, call him and let him know you support him!
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Congress DOES NOT have the pulse of the people on this issue regarding FISA, Telecom immunity or wiretapping without a warrant, NOR does it see IMPEACHMENT is the will of the people.
We are taliking about the rule of law, and where I come from, you break the law you go to jail.
Congress, Dems and Repubs have the DUTY to protect and uphold the rule of law in this country! They swore an oath when taking office.

Warrentless wiretapping is ILLEGAL. Bush even said it himself, you need a warrant to have a wiretap. He has also stated he will continue to do it as long as he pleases. So not only is he breaking the law, he's told us all he is and the Dems are sure about their position that impeachment is off the table. This is complicity of the highest order, Congress doesn't just need a set of cajones, we the people do!
If they don't succeed and filibuster the FISA/Hoyer bill, they are letting Bush (and Cheney) out of jail free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/24/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 20 fans permalink
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Go to research Representative Wrexler. He has a book out called Fire Breathing Liberal.
This is one we can support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/24/2008
- coba I'm a Fan of coba permalink

obama is trying to do that. I think once there is a debate or townhall then people will see that obama is better then mccain on all those issues

http://sensico.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 06/24/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

The pattern among Democratic leaders in Congress has been to "talk tough and then cave."

Moving toward the center and equivocating on issues of life, death and civil liberties hasn't helped Democrats before - it didn't help John Kerry answer the Bush question: "If you were so against the war, why did you vote for it in the first place?" It didn't help Hillary Clinton win the Democratic nomination.

The recent lesson to be learned is that more and voters preferleaders who stick to their guns than they do those who are more concerned with tweaking their images.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 06/24/2008

Glenn Greenwald's piece at Salon.com is excellent. Highly recommended. Removes all doubt that this capitulation is in any way good for Americans in general, or Democrats in particular.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/24/hoyer/

The Philly Enquirer (referenced by Greenwald) nails it:

" It's incredible to hear Democrats try to justify their capitulation on grounds that they forced Bush to accept an additional $95 billion worth of domestic spending. Unemployment insurance and higher-education benefits for veterans, great stuff. But since when is it right to horse-trade over the cherished, constitutional right to privacy?

There's still time for the Senate to stand up for the Constitution and reject this deal."

Not to mention the deal waives warrants for massive non-individualized domestic communications data "sweeps." In other words, if the invasion of privacy is big enough, warrants are a pain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 06/24/2008
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