Ralph Nader, Who Asked You?

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Huffington Post   |  Rachel Sklar   |   June 25, 2008 07:47 PM



Back in Feburary, Ralph Nader suddenly announced his candidacy for the presidency. He went on Meet The Press, did the cable rounds. Then he slunk back into obscurity, because no one had really missed him and he didn't really add to the proceedings.

Now, months later, he's back, and has a beef with Barack Obama. Apparently he thinks Obama is trying to "talk white" and is playing to "white guilt" and trying not to "threaten the white power structure." Nader, who as MSNBC's First Read points out received less than 0.5% of the vote in 2004, has been widely resented by Democrats since the 2000 election, when he pulled enough votes from Al Gore to have arguably tipped the electoral balance.

The self-styled 'anti-corporate' third-party candidate is also apparently an expert on what a black American presidential candidate should be. This can be gleaned from his statement asserting that "[T]he number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas." I'm not exactly sure how this could have been achieved by "coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful" — something else he accuses Obama of not doing — but he doesn't elaborate there.

Leave aside for a moment how appalling it is for him to accuse a bi-racial American, famously the son of one white and one black parent, but also famously regarded as African American, as in the first-ever African American nominee for the presidency, as trying to "talk white"; leaving aside how he could have possibly thought his attack would not be perceived as a racial one; leaving aside how random and uncalled for those comments were, here's the thing: Who cares what Nader thinks?

It's what I wondered back in February: Who wanted him to run? Where was the demand? Who had been clamoring for Ralph Nader? As someone who is pretty engaged in watching the process, I didn't see it. Months, umpteen primaries and millions of votes later, I still don't.

That was for running for president — an office to which Nader has long aspired, with increasingly less support, but still, he did have some. But in this context it's hard to take his remarks seriously — it would be fair to critique Obama's platforms and policies on the merits without bringing race into it. But he did bring race into it, and his remarks are nothing short of smear. Never mind that his credibility is significantly affected by his own aspirations, and his seeming lack of interest in truly contributing positively to this process.

I'm sorry, where was the Ralph Nader photo op stuffing sandbags in Iowa? More generally, where has Ralph Nader been really on anything? Again, perhaps I've missed it — and it's possible — but I haven't seen him really doing much to actively try to effect change himself over the course of this election, other than wave his arms on the sidelines a bit. As an anti-poverty advocate, he could have done more for John Edwards other than start an exploratory committee the day after he dropped out, but even so, there are plenty of ways to draw attention to your issue if you are committed and passionate. There was a long period while watchers were waiting for Edwards to endorse Obama, and he could have used that time to highlight the policy differences between the two on poverty.

Yes, there's much that Nader could have done to draw attention to poverty issues — like be right. As it happens, Obama does have poverty positions — see here, subdivided for urban and rural areas. But that's actually not even the point. The point is, he lost any and all credibility the instant he dragged race into it, impugning not only Obama's worth as a black candidate but his "blackness" — an old and tired argument that I'd hoped we'd done away with a year ago. I mean, sheesh.

The sad thing is that Nader has an amazing record, 2000 and these comments aside, and is responsible for a whole lot of positive change thanks to his efforts as a consumer advocate. It's something that even Obama was gracious enough to acknowledge, saying "it's a shame, because if you look at his legacy... it's an extraordinary one." But though his stated goal of attacking poverty and helping disenfranchised black Americans may be noble, his methods of getting there are anything but.

Nader is as entitled as anyone else to speak out about this election and to flag the issues that he thinks are being overlooked — even if no one has actually asked him. But let's face it: This isn't helping. And it adds to a now well-established legacy of not helping. That's Nader's other legacy — and you know what? No one's asking for that, either.

 
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nader received less than 0.5% of the vote in 2004, because of democratic party ballot obstruction. if you do not see that america has a 2 party system where it is nearly impossible for independent or 3rd party candidates to get elected you are really delusional.

why hasn't the big crusade about 2000 been about the us supreme court stopping the recount which would have elected gore, or the disenfranchisement of black voters, or the tens of thousands of registered dems who voted for bush that wouldve made the difference? nader either cost gore the election or bush stole it; you can't have it both ways.

the dogma of allegiance to the democratic party is amazing coming from otherwise intelligent people many of whom reject the faith and dogma of religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 06/27/2008

I am a Democrat. The only "dogma" I feel I share with fellow Democrats is a basic belief--oversimplified here to make a point-- that: Democrats believe in a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the best way to safeguard that principle is to prevent the right wing from electing leaders who would administer a government of the privileged, by the well connected, and for the greedy.

Ralph Nader has many good ideas and legitimate criticisms. He's done some great work as a consumer advocate. However, the reason Ralph Nader has never been a real presidential contender is because Ralph Nader is just not presidential material. The fact that he's so cynical and scathingly critical of those who, in the broad scheme of things, are truly his closest allies, i.e., Democrats, is an indication that he just can't see the forest for the trees. How, then, would he ever be capable of the kind of compromise and diplomacy required of a world leader who must exercise finesse and tact to maintain peace among the most diverse of extremes in world leaders and issues? Imagine, too, the vitriol that would pass among the three branches of government under a Nader administration. What a nightmarish scenario.

Of course, Nader has a right to run for president, but his campaigns are counterproductive to the principles he espouses, and they're damaging to the national psyche.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 06/28/2008

Nader is an impediment to the progressive movement in this country because he insists that all change has to pass through him, and change that doesn't pass through him isn't legitimate. What SHOULD have done is, years ago, used his influence and the bully pulpit he used to possess to shape progressive thinking. Something along the lines a progressive think tank that would have had real influence, not just him on the sidelines saying : "Remember me? I saved you from the Corvair!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 06/26/2008

Sometimes age creeps up on you before you are aware of it. I think this is what happened to Ralph Nader. His time has passed but he can't accept it and is also unaware of how things have changed in the last 15 years. Bill Clinton is another alpha male who can't accept not being on top. Hopefully, when Obama's time comes he'll have the insight to let go - to help give a hand but to not impede for the sake of his pride.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 06/26/2008

I'd like you to name one person in this country who over the last 40 years has done more to push the liberal agenda and speak out on behalf of the underdog than Ralph Nader. At age 74 he is still at it.

Yes he has been a Lone Ranger, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. You could also say that he has kept his independence by keeping his funding solely by "the people" intact. Apparently that is an extremely rare quality to have in Washington. In fact it's unheard of.

He's a national treasure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 06/26/2008

Thats an ignorant understanding of what Nader's been doing the past 20 years of his 40 years of activism. If you think electoral politics in this country are working in a smooth DEMOCRATIC way then you've obviously not been paying close attention. Two party complicity in the progressive corporate takeover of Washington isn't democracy. When a president can act against the will of the people, violate national and international law and get away with full impunity because the hierarchies in both parties say "Its ok to be corrupt and the bankrupt the American people" then I say not only is Ralph Nader a NECESSITY, this country needs a HUNDRED more of him. And the sooner the better!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 06/26/2008

Poor analysis RRonin. Nader has been steadily at work for years as America's Public Advocate.
If you visit:
http://Nader.org
You'll see he investigates and alerts the public to all kinds of fraud and abuse totally free of charge. A service of incredible value to citizens and necessary for any democracy to battle the demons of fraud, corruption, waste, deceit, and mismanagement that creep into every political system ever created.

I challenge you to find ANY American who has done more for our nation and especially progressive causes over a longer period of time than Ralph Nader. If anyone has a proven and consistent record of selflessness, patriotism, honesty, courage and integrity it is Ralph.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 06/27/2008

Rachel Sklar, who asked YOU?

Who wanted him to run? I, for one. You see, I live in a "safe" state, which means that my vote does not effect the election and serves only as an expression of opinion. Which further means that, when faced (as I am every 4 years) with a choice between a Republican and a Republicrat, I can either stay home or cast a protest vote for someone who stands up for the people instead of Wall Street. And who's the obvious choice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 06/26/2008

Ralph Nader, a legend in his own mind. I am so sick of the man. It's sad, really because he was THE ultimate consumer hero like no other when I was growing up. After what happened in 2000, I lost all respect for him.

He doesn't seem to care how much harm he causes now as long has he can think he's right, morally superior, I don't know what. I guess some people don't think what he said is racist, but I think it reeks of racism and it disgusts me. Another example of exactly what is NOT relevent to this presidential race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/26/2008

Nader may say he's 'running for president', but last I heard he's only on the ballot in 4 states. Nader has no claim on any press coverage, just because he's pretending to tun for president.

Ralph Nader: Another old white man trying to tell African Americans how they must think and behave.

Wow. I am appalled. I truly never thought Ralph would stoop this low.

I wonder if these comments will rebound to Obama"s benefit, if people who were on the fence react in disgust and become Obama supporters. Though that wouldn"t make me any less mad at Ralph.

Nader"s productive contributions were all long ago. I wish the press would cease covering this pathetic old has-been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 06/26/2008

Actually, Ralph will be on all 50 states this time around. His campaign is much more organized and vigorous than in 2004 and 2000 and he has become much more savvy about politics.

Ralph has a number of UTube videos and Google will be sponsoring a debate that will include him in September. The private corporation that currently controls the debates will not include 3rd party candidates as it is jointly owned by the Democratic and Republican parties.

I saw Ralph in person this month and he was phenomonal is his ability to sit for 2.5 hours and field the toughest questions after talking about the issues for an hour. I think anyone (whether or not they support him) would come away very impressed with his tough, thorough, honest answers without sugar coating. Refreshing to hear such frankness from any politician.

Competition is always a good thing from a consumer/voters viewpoint. Also for issues. More voices and more choices for voters make for a more vigorous and thorough and interesting debates where inconvenient issues cannot be dodged. I'd also like to see Bob Barr at the debates especially to call out McCain on his flip flopping whom many conservatives have come to strongly dislike. Let them all debate and fight it out and earn your vote if they can. Should be a good show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/26/2008

Although I intend to vote for Nader, I wish he'd stay out of the swing states. On the other hand, it's imperative that he be on the ballot in the safe states. Otherwise, people disgusted with the major party candidates are either effectively disenfranchised or forced to vote for the lesser of two evils - who will then use that vote as a "mandate" for whatever treachery he chooses to perpetrate on the public.

I also wish Ron Paul were running. Bob Barr is a pretty sorry substitute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 06/26/2008
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I don't recall Nader being that interested in poverty or race during his career.

Nader's a one trick pony and that trick is stale and though his time has come and gone but that ego is bigger than even. If it wasn't for the fact that he has money, he'd be pushing a cart down International with cat food in his pocket.

Take a good look at that reclusive, stingy old man and ask yourself why should you bother taking that old poop seriously. He has done great things but he needs to keep his hairy nostrils out of politics.

Unfortunately he still has a ferocious following among the paper-hat crowd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/26/2008

The minute you take on the corporations and the American governm't you're taking on issues of poverty and race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/26/2008
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his access on his website to his consumer information is at a library level or corporate rate, so clearly his commitment is not to enable the safety and fraud information he gathers to be accessible to the poor or even the economically strapped. as a single mom i certainly couldn't afford it. He is consumed with his battle for power with the corporations and long int he past i admired him. his bitter involvement with the Gore loss was as a deliberate spoiler, probably because progressives didn't lift him up on their shoulders as their leader, at a guess. I witnessed a "debate" or town hall with him moderated by Jesse Ventura (so this is many years ago) for MN public television and i was appalled by his sarcasm, bitterness and disrespect for any views but his own, but deeper was this ingrained racism in his language but also in his views about how you deal with poverty and urban/economic issues. He is also "egyptian-American" but that was the first time I had heard of it, as he keeps that in low profile. He should join a club with Ferrera anyway. As an aging hippy and a 58 year old white grandmother i think the old liberal destructiveness needs to be left behind as much as the neocons and the stalemated community conversations that go endlessly in circles rather than movement toward progressive goals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 06/27/2008

Obama is just as bad as Bush. If you don't realize this, you are quite simply stupid. Obama is a fraud. He isn't going to change anything. He isn't going to save America. If he's our best hope, America is done.

Nader is a great American. These constant attacks on him are revolting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/26/2008

I completely agree! I am tired of weak minded, apathetic Americans constantly looking for their next "savior." Obama throws out a few cute and inspiring words and everybody drools...are we seriously this stupid?! The entire world seems to think so. It's time to stop electing leaders and start electing REPRESENTATIVES! People should be fearful/skeptical of anyone that wants to be their "leader."

I will take Nader over Obama/McCain any day of the week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 06/26/2008

Sklar, who asked you? Nader remains so much more relevant, astute, and committed to the betterment of this world than you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 06/26/2008

He's a presidential contender thats what gives him the right.Just because the MSM has been ordered to ignore his very progressive platform ,for obvious reasons ,doesn't mean he and Cynthia McKinney have no place to enter the political discusssion.More power to them !

The American public deserves to see what a real progressive agenda looks like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 06/26/2008

Well said. Time to break the two party monopoly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 06/26/2008

Two things have made Ralph Nader great.

One, his major accomplishments, ended years ago.

The second is the great magnitude of his self-absorption.

What's sad is on how many issues he's right on policy yet how, tactically, he's his own worst enemy--and the Democratic Party's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/26/2008

I could see Ralph is the "do nothing" "all talk- no do" Democrats in Washington's "enemy".

Anyone who points out, like Ralph, that they are a bunch of worthless bought off pols is their enemy. Then the Dems in Washington go have a big love-fest with Bush & CO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/26/2008

He's also made himself into the worst enemy of progress in the U.S. He is the environmentalists' enemy, the enemy of civil rights, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 06/26/2008

Patently false. If your assertion were correct, why would Nader publically call for the impeachment of Bush/Cheney for constitutional violations and criticize Obama for voting for the anti-Constitutional telecom immunity bill and the freedom robbing anti-constitutional Patriot Act?

Why would Nader oppose offshore drilling and nuclear power and have an energy program to invigorate solar, wind, and geothermal energy to get off off of foreign oil? Why would Nader be calling for greater fuel economy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 06/27/2008

I would submit that with the advent of Obama and the new strength that the Democrats seem to have Nader's role in American politics will laregly come to an end. Without a strong, mindless, evil bunch of neo-cons to rail against what role is there for Nader? Turning the page on Bush also means turning the page on a whole generation of failed political hacks on both sides of the aisle. When I was a boy we all understood that Nader was trying to not only do battle with corporate greedheads but to raise the public awareness of many important issues, which he did. That was 30 years ago. Now, his recent comments simply affirm what many people now understand all too well, the baby boomers time has come and gone. The current group of leaders have had their chance to make some possitive impact and have largely failed to do anything but perfect partisan bickering and pandering to any group that will slide them a check. Nader's silence during the last few years speaks volumes about where his is coming from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 06/26/2008

First off, Ralph Nader isn't a Baby Boomer. Second, Nader's "silence" is inaccurate. What is accurate is that he, and countless others of All Ages from the Left, have been shut out of the broadcast MSM so it just seems like he's ''silent'. Nader is never silent.

I agree that "the current group of leaders" have failed us. But to say "the baby boomers time has come and gone" would also consign Obama to the dustbin, since he too is a "baby boomer".

The "age" of someone is not relevant, but often controversial. Things change however with the times. For instance it used to be that Baby Boomers said "Never trust anyone over 30". Then when they were in their 40's they dubbed their parents generation "The Greatest Generation".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/26/2008

P.S. You are trippin acid if you think the Neo-Cons are going anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 06/26/2008

Obama talking "white":

Regina Thomas is a black State Senator in Georgia ,progressive and anti -war running in a Democratic primary against white conservative pro -war candidate Congressman John Barrow. Obama recently endorsed Barrow and recorded a radio ad in support of his campaign.It is unusual for a presidential candidate to campaign this early in a state race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/26/2008

The leadership qualities of Barack Obama: his intelligence, demeanor, judgment, his extemporaneous eloquence, his bouyant optimism, and his ability to energize and inspire the electorate are the reasons so many of us will place our trust in him in November. His candidacy is focused on us and our future, not on him, his heritage, and what great historic moment his presidency would have for our country. Yes, sure, there is that, but Candidate Obama is concerned with far more important priorities. Our perception of Obama as "leader" overshadows our consciousness of his ethnicity. So, for Ralph Nader (and political pundits before him) to try to turn the discussion into a debate about his racial identity and allegiances is just a shameless attempt to try to drive the candidate off message, when the message is way too important to our future as a civilization.

In November, Ralph will claim that his measly fraction of a percent of the vote did nothing to affect the outcome of the race. However, once again, the black hole of his candidacy will surely have sucked out its share of the positive energy our front runner has generated for this election. Why, instead, doesn't Nader offer to contribute his considerable expertise as a consumer advocate to the next administration, in a spirit of cooperation, to help further the common good?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 06/26/2008

Is it not strange that the independent candidate for president, Mr. Nadar, seems to focus his criticism at the democratic candidate. If you looked at Mr. Nadar's past few runs at the presidency, his arguments have been, basically, that the democratic candidate is not liberal enough, therefore you should vote for me because I am the only liberal in the contest . Why doesn't Mr. Nadar attack the republican candidate's views? Does he not feel a need to convince those who clearly oppose his views to vote for him. It would appear that his only strategy is to appeal to those people who would normally vote against republicans to vote for him, rather than the democratic candidate. If that is true than he has never really run for president at all, has he? If I were a Republican I would certainly encourage Mr. Nadar to run for office; at worst he gets no votes and he attacks my foes, at best he attacks my foes and steals his votes. You have to wonder who really funds the election campaigns of someone like Nadar. I would think the supporters of Mr. Nadar should be evaluating his motives for this attack on Mr. Obama. At the very least they should be thinking that Mr. Nadar has exposed his own racial issues by assuming that the half White Mr. Obama should speak in any other way than the way he does simply because he is half Black!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 06/26/2008

Can't be happy if someone is suggesting that the current 2 party system is really just a contest to see which group of egomaniacal alpa elites get to say "now it's my turn for business as usual", can we?
Oh, and that darn Ralph Nader...of only he hadn't selected Joe Lieberman for Gore in that 2000 presidential run...that's what you mean when you say he caused the Dems to loose to Bush, don't you? Oh, you mean Gore was responsible for selecting Joe Lieberman? How can that be? Well, this global warming thing should make up for that...the way ethanol has and everything. Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/26/2008

I agree with you. It's time we set the record straight on Nader. First, he wasn't responsible for Bush losing the election; it was those 2 million Florida Democrats who voted Republican that year, and the fact that Gore couldn't carry his home state of Tennessee (or Clinton's home state of Arkansas).

Second, the Democrats left Nader no choice but to run on his own. He tried, literally, dozens of times to JOIN the process, to be part of the Democrats braintrust, but the Party didn't want him, felt his radical ideas on corporations, labor and the environment made him too radical for public consumption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 06/26/2008

In 2000, Nader promised to not campaign in swing states. Not only did he break that promise, but he criticized only Gore while being remarkably neutral, even positive, about Bush.

Nader even refused a deal whereby Gore voters in safe states would vote for him, while voters in swing states would vote for Gore. Under this arrangement, he'd get just as many votes while not giving the keys to the White House to Bush. But he didn't want that.

All of this gave the distinct impression that he was trying to help Bush get elected. Instead of putting minds to rest, he actually confirmed it, saying to the NYT that the "bumbling Texas governor would galvanize the environmental community as never before ... the Sierra Club doubled its membership under James Watt." The president of the Sierra Club was aghast.

Of course he was responsible for Gore losing the election. In 2004 his campaign was even financed by the Republicans. And in 2008 he's attacking the Dem candidate, not the Republican candidate, just as in 2000.

The biggest environmental issue of all time is global warming, and we lost 8 precious years because of Nader, and he's trying to make us lose 8 more. Because he doesn't want the environment saved by someone else: if he's not going to be the hero who saves it, the world must end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 06/26/2008

Nader is an American hero. Nader is right to criticize Obama. To call Nader"s comments racist for saying Obama is trying to appear non-black or "post-racial" in order to be non-offensive to the white power structure is a valid criticism. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence. For example, Muslim women wearing headscarfs were barred from sitting directly behind Obama"s rally in Detroit so that Obama did not "appear" Muslim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/26/2008

If anyone goes to ABC news and watches the video, its clear that Ralph's comments are critical and incisive and tough but not racist as they were formed in the manner of a question not an assertion.
Besides, should'nt all of our candidates be concerned with those who have least among us and both acknowledge and reach out to help the poorest of our citizens. I think that's a good thing. The poor and disempowered in the USA have little voice and have been neglected by presidential politicans as a group. I am glad Ralph brought them into the debate. Otherwise who speaks for them? No one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 06/27/2008
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