Serenity Lost: Obama And The Netroots

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First Posted: 06-25-08 11:30 AM   |   Updated: 07- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Only weeks into the general election campaign and already a notable tension is beginning to materialize within the Democratic Party. At question is Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with the progressive netroots, the online community that helped aid the Senator's rise to the presidential nomination, but has since seemingly played second fiddle in terms of courted constituencies.

Obama's decision to embrace a compromise on FISA legislation -- a virtual slap in the face to some progressive bloggers demanding no legal immunity for telecommunications companies -- was the catalyst of the recent chatter. Other concerns arose days prior when Obama cut an advertisement on behalf of a conservative southern Democrat whose primary challenger was favored by the liberal blogosphere.

But for some progressive activists, the issue is not simply one of policy, but a concern that Obama's willingness to snub their political wishes is far more endemic.

"You can see it with FISA. He really doesn't feel that much kinship with the priorities of the netroots and I don't think he has made any secret of that," said Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake. "I have to say he is very consistent. He has gone outside the netroots for his strategy... People who feel betrayed right now, I'm not sure why, because it is extremely consistent with what they should have expected."

Indeed, there is ample evidence to suggest that Obama's standing with the netroots has not always been peachy. Prior to his victory in Iowa, he consistently trailed former Sen. John Edwards (and, on occasion, Chris Dodd) in the Daily Kos primary poll. Even before then, his (now-chilled) relationship with Sen. Joseph Lieberman as well as an essay he posted (again on Daily Kos) concerning Supreme Court nominations earned him some plaudits but also skepticism among some prominent online voices.

As a former aide to Sen. Hillary Clinton told The Huffington Post, had the New York Democrat not had her own problems with the crowd, her campaign would have been a far more natural home for the progressive netroots.

"I don't understand why a group like MoveOn backs Obama," said the aide. "Hillary is the one who will build up the Democratic infrastructure. She's the one promising to fight the ideological battles. He's the one who is talking about moving beyond partisanship. And they love him for it."

Such an argument, however, assumes that the primary goal of major online progressives and their audiences is aggressive partisanship. Some want that. But many are also cognizant of another pressing reality: the need to win. And, as such, there is a willingness to cut Obama a bit of political slack.

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"The number of people Obama's campaign has brought into the political process and the development of the netroots progressive movement has been an important convergence in this election," said Ilyse Hogue, Communications Director of Moveon.org. "But it is not an endpoint. Our goal remains to hold the ground on any issue that matters to the progressive community. [Obama's] goal is... to get elected, to be honest, but also to understand the power of who's electing him. We have reason to be optimistic about that."

Moreover, the desires of the progressive netroots and the realities of the Electoral College are not always at odds. For instance, Obama's decision to forgo public financing in the general election - while viewed sourly among good government groups - was a welcomed move among the most prominent Democratic bloggers.

Others, meanwhile, have been willing to reserve judgment regarding his position on FISA, albeit with demands that he works to defeat the compromise.

"We'll see what he does this week," said Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos. "If he's part of the capitulation or refuses to lead, then it's salient for your story. As of now, I think it's still too early to write this piece."

And, it should be noted, there will undoubtedly be future issues in which Obama and the netroots rally to the same cause (foremost, of course, being the general election). As experts of campaigns past can attest, the internal dynamics within the Senator's headquarters inevitably leave one group or another disappointed.

"There is always a tension between what the Internet department is able to put out and what all the other departments want," said Tim Tagaris, Ned Lamont's Internet Director during the 2006 Senate and an aide in similar capacity to Chris Dodd's campaign in '08. "The question is what battles do you want to fight, because it is a battle everyday. And he's not going to win it all the time because there are people on staff who have been doing this for decades and the Internet as a political tool is relative new."

But clearly, at this point in time, the honeymoon period that Obama enjoyed for the latter part of the Democratic primary and the first weeks of the general election seems to be setting. And a tug-of-war of sorts could soon emerge between progressive bloggers and the Senator, both over campaign positions as well as the affections of Democrats.

Salon.com's Glenn Greenwald offered an opening salvo by chastising Obama supporters for a willingness to rationalize their candidate's position on FISA in a way that was "unhealthy in the extreme." While at the Personal Democracy Forum, the Senator's new-media guru, Joe Rospars, was forced to dispute the premise of an assertion that his candidate was "stand-offish" with the blogs.

"Where we see that he is consistent with the netroots is his organizing and belief in organizing," explained Hogue. "Obviously there is some policy divergence which is crystallizing this week. And that's not incredibly surprising, We still have some work to do as a progressive movement to not just have candidates speak about our issues but act on our issues."

Correction: an earlier version implied that Glenn Greenwald referred to Obama supporters as "Obamabots." He did not.

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- Titonwan I'm a Fan of Titonwan 7 fans permalink

I've been all over the blogs today. Does not look good for Obama! As someone who really supported him, I am beyond disappointed. I am enraged. Kiss my support goodbye. And to think, we had THE most unpopular President EVER against the ropes and wouldn't knock him out. When the second great depression hits (oh it's coming, mark my words), we'll be too worried, about which cat we're going to have to eat next, to notice how screwed we are with no 4th amendment. Say goodbye to freedom for your kids too. Hats off to you Chris Dodd and to you Russ Feingold- you'd go down in history if it was allowed (it won't be, naturally).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 06/29/2008

LOL, y'all been "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" by Obama and you thought it was Hillary that would be the untrustworthy one. When are are you going to give up rationalyzing the flip flopping of this "typical" politician, Barack Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 06/28/2008
- dostephen I'm a Fan of dostephen 2 fans permalink
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To JudyKR,
Obama may be moving more to the center from the left but Hillary would have moved from the RIGHT to the center after voting for the war in Iraq. And it was Hillary who brought up assassination, racism and other irrelevant issues because she could never explain away her vote for the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 06/29/2008

Please Liberals,d­emocrats,p­rogressive­s and all the other fragments of the D-party please put off your various labels and adopt this: Winners. All these labels haven't done us any good. The electorate demonstrated it's IQ by electing Dubya twice(actually once) so if Obama needs to shift to the middle so be it as long as he doesn't stay there. I so desperately want the Reps out that I find these post insufferable. I want to win so Obama take my donation and scoot to the center. Amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 06/28/2008

Your admonition to grow up suggests that my displeasure at Obama's about face on FISA is a child's complaint. It is not. And as an adult, I can take an important step: making sure my contributions are funneled through MoveOn or the like and NOT given directly to Obama, which is what he is asking for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 06/28/2008

This is just garbage.

Netroots: as Phyllis Diller would say, "grow up". You are not going to get 100% of what you want from any candidate, except Kucinich, who you have repeatedly refused to vote for in the primaries. So, let's take our 85-90% of what we want and STFU. Jeez, I'm so tired of the circular firing squad that dems/progressives set up every time we're near victory. Hence, the expression, I'm part of no organized political party, I'm a democrat. You cannot expect a dem candidate to agree with you on every single issue.

Focus on the big picture and stop trying to take down the most progressive candidate we have or else say hello to Prez McCain--see how you like a fascist majority on the Supreme Court!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/28/2008
- scottarino I'm a Fan of scottarino 11 fans permalink
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you mean the ONLY candidate who we have left. The true progressives are not in the race anymore. So let's take lemons and make lemonade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 06/28/2008

I am so sick of this take. This isn't rhetoric...it's a passage of law that is going to create situations that you are too simplistic to understand.

We have been sold-out here boys and girls.

This is NOT just tacking. If it is..BO is a careless idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/30/2008
- mzha I'm a Fan of mzha permalink

I just realized something. Money talks, Money is what is working for Obama. Most anyone will do something for money. Al Sharpton was to appear on Greta's On the Record show, but Obama told him he (Sharpton) had to go on CNN instead. It looks like money is doing all the talking and walking for Obama all the way to the election. I guess us middle income people can't fight the money bags of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 06/28/2008
- AfzaalKhan I'm a Fan of AfzaalKhan 2 fans permalink

wow talk abt censorship huffington post, wrote B**lls and P**sy and post get deleted lolz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 06/28/2008
- HotATL I'm a Fan of HotATL 2 fans permalink

I’m not saying that I want vote for him because of this decision, but I am disappointed. I hear people say that you have to move to the center to get elected. But moving to the center is not working for the Democrats in Congress. Because of things like voting for funds to continue the war, not getting enough Democrats to pass the impeachment proposal and this bill has not helped them. It has done just the opposite; congress approval rating is lower now that Bush approval rating is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 06/27/2008
- scottarino I'm a Fan of scottarino 11 fans permalink
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You get nothing done in the center. So get off the fence on one side or the other and get to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/28/2008

Why knock Obama for supporting the FISA sellout that Steny Hoyer was so eager to pass? Intelligence is the name of the game and the corporate media (telecom) executives are our masters. We should acknowledge their superiority and just shut up.
I wonder how things would be now if John Murtha had gotten that post the way Pelosi had intended.
On some fo the Zionist websites, Hoyer was described as Israel's best friend in Congress back when Murtha was smeared in the media. I wonder what connection there might be between that and the telecom spying...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 06/27/2008

you are scary person. obviously you have never been stripped of due-process and had the fate of you and your family in the hands of some criminal. you don't have a clue what we are concerned about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/30/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

"The Washington Post's Dan Froomkin cites the primary justification for telecom amnesty -- that these companies were just doing what they were told by the Government -- and then asks rhetorically: "isn't that the very definition of a police state: that companies should do whatever the government asks, even if they know it's illegal?" I used to think that amnesty supporters held their position because they didn't understand this extremely simple point, but now I think that most of them have their position precisely because they do understand it. A lawless "police state" -- and that's the only term that can be used to describe what this bill creates -- is exactly what our political establishment desires." G.G.

Well if the govnmt has decided to cut services such as health care , education.­regulation and infrastructure I guess they have to keep themselves busy somehow.After all, trade and manufacturing is over.Next coming entrepeneurship - spying and arms .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 06/27/2008

Doing what they were told to do by the government? Is that not also the Nuremburg Defense? I was just following orders...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/27/2008
- Jonni Rae I'm a Fan of Jonni Rae 19 fans permalink

If you want to petition Senator Obama about Fisa, here is the site:http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bo90210

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 06/28/2008

Call the Dovorce Attorney... the honeymoon is over and it will continue to get uglier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/27/2008

Obama has read the book on getting elected. Run to the center...fast!!!

While I appreciate idealists energy, some of you just don't understand that what Obama is doing is extremely common in running for President.: ...run to the center.

Don't panic. Some liberals appear to be panicking that he isn't appearing liberal all-the-time.

Most presidents do this (the exceptions were Karl Rove's right wing elections that in reality just barely got Bush and Republicans in power).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/27/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Yes but he ran as an "uncommon" man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 06/28/2008
- scottarino I'm a Fan of scottarino 11 fans permalink
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Reagan did not run to the center, nor did Bush 1, nor did Bush 2. Bush 2 actually lost as we all know, but it should have never even been close. Gore ran to the center and alienated liberals many of whom voted their principals and voted Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 06/28/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

American patriot Russ Feingold:

The FISA Amendments Act, like the Protect America Act, would authorize the government to collect all communications between the U.S. and the rest of the world. That could mean millions upon millions of communications between innocent Americans and their friends, families, or business associates overseas could legally be collected.

The bill’s supporters like to say that the government needs additional powers to target terrorists overseas. But under this bill, the government is not limited to targeting foreigners outside the U.S. who are terrorists, or who are suspected of some wrongdoing, or who are members or agents of some foreign government or organization. In fact, the government does not even need a specific purpose for wiretapping anyone overseas. All it needs to have is a general “foreign intelligence” purpose, which is a standard so broad that it covers all international communications. That’s not just my opinion -- the DNI has testified that, under the PAA, and presumably this bill, the government could legally collect all communications between the United States and overseas. Let me repeat that: under this bill, the government can legally collect all communications – every last one – between Americans here at home and the rest of the world.

Your 4th Amendment rights are history if this monstrosity passes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/27/2008

"I'm going to give Bush what he wants and trample on the Constitution in order to avoid being 'weak' -- bo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 06/27/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold
On Preventing the FISA Amendments Act from Being Jammed Through the Senate

June 26, 2008

“I’m pleased we were able to delay a vote on FISA until after the July 4th holiday instead of having it jammed through. I hope that over the July 4th holiday, Senators will take a closer look at this deeply flawed legislation and understand how it threatens the civil liberties of the American people. It is possible to defend this country from terrorists while also protecting the rights and freedoms that define our nation.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 06/27/2008
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