It's My Party, I'll Cry If I Want To

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First Posted: 06-27-08 11:52 PM   |   Updated: 07- 5-08 05:12 AM

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"What does Bill Clinton want?"

Barack Obama quickly determined what Hillary Clinton wants in the aftermath of defeat: a major role in the general election campaign, a star turn at the convention, help with her debt, and Obama's support for elected officials who backed her. The big-time holdout turns out to be her husband.

Bill is more complex. He wants respect, absolution and love.

The former president and Obama have not talked, and, by all accounts, the man of the Clinton household remains hurt and resentful. Associates provide a variety of explanations for the Bill Clinton dilemma, none of them mutually exclusive.

Some say Bill Clinton not only wants Obama to reach out to him, but to also promise to lift the cloud of alleged racism -- an accusation that continues to eat at the man once dubbed the nation's "first black president." Clinton, these folks suggest, wants Obama to publicly exonerate him of the charge that he played the race card in the primaries.

Beyond that, some associates say, Bill Clinton wants Obama to reach out to him as a mentor, a guide who can lead Obama through the labyrinth of a tough presidential election. "Bill wants to be honored, to return to the role of Democratic elder statesman, and get rid of this image of him as a pol willing to do anything to win," said one associate.

"He is still bruised from the trail, really hurt about the racist charges leveled against him, and convinced the Obama campaign fomented it," said another source familiar with the former president's attitude. "What he would really like is for Obama to apologize, but on one level he knows that is never going to happen," a third source said.

Another source, in contrast, downgraded the idea that Bill Clinton wants to be personally attended to by Obama. Instead, the source said, "POTUS wants first and foremost that his wife is treated with the respect that she has earned. Secondly, while he does not expect Obama to run for a Clinton third term, he would hope that Obama does not continue to implicitly criticize his eight years in office as he did during the primaries."

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Finally, a person close to both Clintons contended that the current impasse between Obama and Bill Clinton "is not a big problem. All Obama has to do is ask, it's his name on the ballot." Once that hurdle is crossed, this friend of the former president and first lady said, "Bill Clinton will end up seducing Obama. Clinton likes to deal with people who have not necessarily treated him well," noting that Clinton and Newt Gingrich had a productive relationship until Gingrich began pressing for impeachment.

The accusation that Bill Clinton pointedly sought to downgrade Obama's success and to aggressively define him as a "black" candidate gained momentum on January 26, 2008 when the former president seemed to dismiss Obama's victory in South Carolina: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

Clinton has not been hesitant to make his feelings about these charges known far and wide.

"I think that they [the Obama campaign] played the race card on me," Clinton told Philadelphia radio station WHYY on April 22. "We now know, from memos from the campaign, that they planned to do it along."

On June 2, Clinton told Huffington Post Off The Bus Reporter Mayhill Fowler:

"They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he [Obama] didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her."

During the campaign, Obama, in turn, complained a number of times about Bill Clinton's tactics and comments

"You know the former president, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling," Obama said on January 21. "He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts....This has become a habit, and one of the things that we're gonna have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's making statements that are not factually accurate."

Now that he is the nominee, however, Obama has become more generous towards Bill.

"If the question is, do I want Bill Clinton campaigning for us, for the ticket, leading into November, the answer is absolutely yes. I want him involved. He is a brilliant politician. He was an outstanding president. And so, I want his help, not only in campaigning, but also in governing. And I'm confident that I'll get that help," Obama declared on June 25.

While Obama awaits a response from Mr. Clinton, blogger Marc Ambinder has been conducting an on-line poll asking whether 1) Obama should bend over backwards to make sure Bill Clinton campaigns for him in the fall 2) Obama should ignore Bill Clinton entirely or 3) Obama should ask Bill Clinton politely, but if Clinton says no, Obama should ignore him.

With a total of 2,292 votes cast, answer number 3 - "ask politely, if 'no,' ignore Clinton" - was decisively ahead with 1,765 votes, or 77 percent of Ambinder's responses; answers 1 and 2 drew 10% (240 votes) and 13% (287 votes) respectively.


"What does Bill Clinton want?" Barack Obama quickly determined what Hillary Clinton wants in the aftermath of defeat: a major role in the general election campaign, a star turn at the convention, hel...
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Come on Bill....you know the game better then anyone. We stayed with you when you could not keep your zipper closed, remember all those great things you did for the country while they had you all consumed in impeachment proceedings ......we stayed on your side because we knew how terrible the right wing kooks are. We let you serve your whole time and because of that you were able to make a hell of alot of money... millions this year. You know those $100,000.00 and more speaking engagements you get. Had you been impeached I'm sure they would be half as much. We did that all for you Bill now DON'T f...k it up for us. Get over it! Please Bill, you owe it to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 06/30/2008
- BassMent I'm a Fan of BassMent 41 fans permalink
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I'm still surprised at how polarized these comments sound. Why is it necessary to hate Bill Clinton in order to show your support for Barack Obama?

Look, Clinton would be a help in a lot of states. He still appeals to blue collar voters. He's a heck of a campaigner... and if sometimes he wanders off the reservation a little, remember that now he'll be doing it against McCain. If he want's to fire a few shots across McCain's bow, I say more power to him.

Having Hillary out campaigning vigorously is extremely important for Obama, in fact I believe it's necessary. Bill's not necessary, but he couldn't hurt. If Obama reaches out to him and Bill is willing to be reasonable, I'd be happy to see him aboard. But if his list of demands is childish and unrealistic, we will survive without him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 06/30/2008

I think I see a possible solution: Bill Clinton can be given his due respect and in turn he can voice his support for Obama in the State of TN. He is the one man that could truely help disspell the misplaced untruthful rumors coming out from that State regarding Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/30/2008
- sky2blue I'm a Fan of sky2blue 2 fans permalink

What respect is Hillary Clinton owed? She lost. She carried on a campaign after it was clear that she wouldn't win and to continue the primary would only lead to a fracture in the party. And guess what . . .

Both Clinton did come across as white racists. No, Hillary, didn't use the exact words the Pfleger pinned on her, but she used words and phrases that amounted to as much. And Obama covering for them is only gonna get him in some hot water of his own with the black community. Obama can't offer Clinton the "absolution" he seeks cause Obama had nothing to do with the words that came from the Clintons' mouths.

And I can only hope that Obama does NOT have Bill campaigning for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/30/2008

I love that "I just got spanked...I've been a bad boy" picture of Bill (reminds me of Elliot Spitzer's). As far as I'm concerned, Bill can kiss his own ass. Obama beat Bill and Hillary fair and square. Bill should take Hillary's behavior in this instance as an example and act like an adult. So, he wasn't able to establish a CLinton Dynasty (he's probably plotting a scheme for Chelsee right now).... too bad for you Bill, and thank God for us (the electorate).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 06/30/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 AM on 07/04/2008

Hey remember that election in 1992 when the right-leaning"DLC" emerged to prevent Jesse Jackson from getting the nom, and their boy was who? Bill Clinton? Well, if your career is based on race-based political assassination, don't complain when it comes home to roost, Bill. Your time is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/30/2008

Bill Clinton needs to come to teh realization, just like in teh Old West, he and Hillary met a faster gun. End of Story.

He was the one that said Politics is a contact sport, if you can take the hit, you shouldn't be running".

Now all of a sudden, he is a big baby because teh Obama campaign said, Ok Bill, you want contact, you will get it. Clinton thought it did not apply to him as an ex President.

Bill looked tired and ragged and unhealthy on teh campaign. It made me think twice about his health just like I do about mcCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 06/30/2008

Obama must play nice with Bill. He must remember Bill's a TIGER, not a "putty-cat." Dont get the tiger angry, Barack, or you might find yourself INSIDE. It's all going to be very tricky, but since you did prevail over both Bill and Hill you've shown that you have the smarts to put this tiger in your tank. (Anybody reading this remember, "Put a tier in your tank?" Ah, those were they days!. Gasoline 27 cents/gallon!!!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 06/30/2008

You're real good Edsall and I quote "by all accounts" (whose accounts?) "Some say" "these folks suggest" "some associates say" "said another source" "The accusation" - (by whom?) "a person close to both Clintons contended" - "this friend of the former president and first lady said" (which friend?) "He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts." (You do mean you, right?) blah blah blah blah blah blah. McCain 2008 Clinton 2012

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 06/30/2008

Bill and Hillary need to sit their tired behinds down and let this the Democrat party get on with winning this election. I have never seen two more self-absorbed people. Grow up. It's time for these senior citizens to take a mental health break. This country needs healing, not just these two narcissists. Every time you turn around someone is looking for their fifteen minutes. Theirs was up a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 06/30/2008

Oh, come let us adore Bill Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 06/30/2008
- Mattjoe I'm a Fan of Mattjoe 3 fans permalink

At the very least, Clinton went into Bosnia and Somalia, where innocents were dying. Places GeorgeDick and AIPAC care little or nothing about, if Darfur is only one example. Yet Republicans screamed bloody murder for impeachment because Bill participated in consensual sex?

America watched Lewinsky’s dress unveiled as if it were the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Fast-forward to 9/11 and WMD, when FEMA’s failures alone should find Cheney and half the administration in an orange jumper, let alone the treachery currently under way for Iran. Rather, we do nothing while Cheney wrings his evil, pudgy hands.

Instead, we drag bickering baseball players into our highest courts to contest steroid use.

May those who have not committed adultery or participated directly or indirectly, supporting the Republican administration in the murders (and indifference to them) of thousands of world citizens including Americans, cast the first stone.

All the posturing moralists, shut it. Back of the line please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 06/30/2008

Bill Clinton created his legacy.......it is part of history......and you can't change history. He got what he deserve......we have had enough of the Clintons.....for God sake's..........just go away man......and please take Hillary.......the Clintons are what psychology call "drain people." The need to find another host to drain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/30/2008

Tell them to kiss your ass again Bill- they didn't get it the first time and while they're at it they can kiss pumas' ass too and my ass. A blind man or woman can see what a farce this whole election process has been. I'm still not over the Lake County Indiana spoils. They never mentioned that Hillary won 82 out of 93 counties in Indiana and I would wager that she won LC by a lot more. DUH!
We will not forgive or forget. You don't need Obie or the so called DNC- not now not ever. You've got a helluva lot more supporters than they do. It's not Bill crying- it's the huff and the dems. McCain 2008 Clinton 2012

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 06/30/2008
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 46 fans permalink
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The bloggers dissing Bill Clinton need to take a step back and note, unless of course they were in third grade then, that Barack Obama is so many ways similar to Bill Clinton than not..
Read today`s NY times Paul Krugman`s column.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 06/30/2008
- Veneita I'm a Fan of Veneita 9 fans permalink

true he is like WJC but he is unlike him in ways that really count. He loves his wife and is not a philandering snake. He's honest. And he doesn't think it's about him. He is what I thought WJC was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/30/2008
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 46 fans permalink
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Sorry to burst your bubble there, a politician is a politician , and Barack Obama is a very good politician. Both of them loves their wives dearly, yes Bill Clinton wondered off, hopefully Obama is different in that aspect.
No, Bill Clinton is neither a snake nor he is a racist. As a matter of fact Bill Clinton is color blind.
But he is not the one running, Obama is.....

And while people are so obcessed dwelling on the past than present, the twice failed President Bush, who managed to backrupt the country, is quietly planning to attack IRAN .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 06/30/2008

There are reports that Bill is still angry and said Barack will have to "kiss his ass and reach out to him for his support". Let me say that Bill can kiss my and every black person's behindhe threw under the bus. I don't think he is racist so much as a gutter politician that would turn on his own mother to win. He is acting like Bush thinking he can make an ugly bed and not sleep in it. It is time for him to stand up like a man and support the man who out worked and out smarted him. Act like you were the President of the greatest country on earth and not some sissy spoiled brat. This talk that Bill thinks he will lose is wishful thinking because he is jealous of Obama. Over the years African Americans, present company included had your back Bill Clinton. Time to pony up sir. Dry your tears and be a man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 06/30/2008

Anyone notice how biased these posts are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 06/30/2008
- tbrnotb I'm a Fan of tbrnotb 19 fans permalink

I don't understand these people. We vote for them, we show them respect....and it's just not enough.
Bill Clinton SHOULD be angry. But he anger should be aimed at the Republicans who did their best to destroy his prsidency. They dismantled every good thing his administration achieved and ridiculed his governance at every chance.

Instead of going after them...he stays mum on an illegal war, the attack on our rights and the countless other messes the Bush Crime Family has taken us. Then, his kisses Bush the elders behind and goes on to bank $109 million bucks!

What DOES it take to make the Clintons happy? It ain't gonna be their legacy...cause they're destroying it themselves. But what the hell do I know? Hillary will end up as VP or Supreme Court Justice and Bill will be the Ambassador to the United Nations. So I'm just not gonna worry about it any more!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 06/30/2008
- toocoldout I'm a Fan of toocoldout 20 fans permalink

He didn't bank anywhere near $109 million. Ever heard of taxes and living expenses. Also, a tiny part of that money belongs to his wife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 06/30/2008
- duze I'm a Fan of duze 24 fans permalink

Why does he need Hillary or Bill? The polls show he's doing pretty well on his own. Hillary is using the opportunity to show how enfluencial she is and can be. It's like she won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 06/29/2008

Geez, I didn't realize this poll was the end all, be all. Why does he need Hillary or Bill? Ask the many people who voted for both of them and you'll get your answers. Like it or not Obama is not a one man show and without the support of those who have experience and influence (the Clintons) there's no way he'll get elected President all on his own. So, if Obama is a smart politician (and I think he is) he'll pucker up and mend those bridges because he's going to need them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 06/30/2008
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