Obama Wants To Expand Bush's Faith Based Programs

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JENNIFER LOVEN | July 1, 2008 09:38 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., speaks during a news conference after he toured the East Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio, Tuesday, July 1, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

ZANESVILLE, Ohio — Taking a page from President Bush, Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday he wants to expand White House efforts to steer social service dollars to religious groups, risking protests in his own party with his latest aggressive reach for voters who usually vote Republican.

Obama contended he is merely stating long-held positions _ surprising to some, he said, after a primary campaign in which he was "tagged as being on the left."

In recent days, with the Democratic nomination in hand and the general election battle with Republican John McCain ahead, Obama has been sounding centrist themes with comments on guns, government surveillance and capital punishment. He's even quoted Ronald Reagan.

On Tuesday, touring Presbyterian Church-based social services facility, the Democratic senator said he would get religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty efforts if elected.

"We need an all-hands-on-deck approach," he said at Eastside Community Ministry.

The event was part of a series leading into Friday's Fourth of July holiday aimed at reassuring skeptical voters and shifting away from being stamped as part of the Democratic Party's most liberal wing.

He said the connection of religion and public service was nothing new in his personal life.

Obama showed he was comfortable using the kind of language that is familiar in evangelical churches and Bible studies by calling his faith "a personal commitment to Christ." He said that his time as a community organizer in decimated Chicago neighborhoods, supported in part by a Catholic group, brought him to a deeper faith and also convinced him that faith is useless without works.

"While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work," he declared.

His talk on faith in the battleground state of Ohio came a day after a speech on patriotism in Missouri, another November election battleground. Wednesday, he travels to Colorado Springs, Colo., a hub of conservative Christian organizations, for a speech focused on service.

With 80 percent of Americans saying they identify themselves with some religion, Obama's campaign has struggled with the topic.

Comments critical of America by Obama's longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, caused a firestorm during the primaries and brought Obama's brand of faith under scrutiny because of Wright's adherence to black liberation theology. Obama also has battled false but persistent rumors that he is a Muslim; they have been kept alive on the Internet despite his repeated talk about his longtime devotion to Christianity.

Conservative Christians make up about a quarter of the electorate, and they helped put Bush in office twice. Many still are likely to oppose the Democratic nominee because of his support for abortion rights, gay rights and other issues.

An AP-Yahoo News poll in June found that people who attend church at least once a week support Republican McCain over Obama, 49 percent to 37 percent. Those who attend church less often tend to favor Obama. White evangelical Christians who attend church weekly favor McCain by huge margins.

Still, the Obama camp notes that some evangelicals feel passionately about aggressive environmental stewardship, an issue more commonly associated with Democrats. Others find appeal in Obama's message about ending messy political divisions.

Obama recently won the endorsement of the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, leader of a Methodist megachurch in Houston who is very close to Bush.

McCain is a mostly reliable conservative vote, but he isn't as passionate or vocal about religious conservatives as some would like. He also famously upbraided some Christian evangelical leaders as "agents of intolerance" in his first presidential campaign. He has sought to make amends since then and is continuing his outreach efforts. He met with world-renowned evangelist Billy Graham last weekend.

Obama's high-profile embrace of a key theme of Bush's time in office _ the "faith-based initiative" _ is just the latest example of him trying to show his centrist side.

Last week, he quoted Reagan, saying "we have to trust but verify" after Bush lifted trade sanctions against North Korea and moved to remove the country from the U.S. terrorism list.

Obama also supported new electronic surveillance rules for the government's eavesdropping program, saying "an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue," after opposing a similar bill last year. After the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms as well as a government's right to regulate them.

On Iraq, he has gone from hard-edged, vocal opposition to more nuanced rhetoric that calls for a phased-out troop drawdown that could last 16 months. He also disagreed with the Supreme Court decision last week that struck down a Louisiana law allowing capital punishment for people who rape children under 12.

Speaking with reporters, Obama disputed that he is altering views.

"I get tagged as being on the left and, when I simply describe what has been my position consistently, then suddenly people act surprised," he said. "But there hasn't been substantial shifts there."

While Obama would expand Bush's efforts to give religious charities more equal footing when getting federal funding, he also would tweak what he would call the President's Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in ways that divert from Bush's approach.

He would increase spending on social services, starting with a $500 million-a-year program to keep 1 million poor children up to speed on their studies over the summers. He would increase training for charities applying for funding and make it a grass-roots effort. He would elevate the program to be "a critical part of my administration," a reference to criticism that Bush paid barely more than lip service to his effort.

Obama also chose a different emphasis for why religious charities are an important answer to solving poverty and other social problems: because they better know the people who are hurting, instead of Bush's argument that religion itself is a transforming power the government must not be afraid to harness.

And while Bush supports allowing all religious groups to make any employment decisions based on faith, Obama proposes allowing religious institutions to hire and fire based on religion only in the non-taxpayer-funded portions of their activities _ consistent with current federal, state and local laws. "That makes perfect sense," he said.

Where there are state or local laws prohibiting hiring choices based on sexual orientation in the federally funded portion of the programs, he said he would support those being applied.

This position would make his proposal "dead on arrival" for many evangelicals and small churches, said Jim Towey, a former head of Bush's faith-based office. That's because telling a small organization to keep employees hired with federal funds separate from others "is unmanageable _ and besides those folks want to hire people who share their vision and mission," Towey said.

Even as Obama courts the right, his support for a signature Bush program could invite protest from others.

"This initiative has been a failure on all counts, and it ought to be shut down, not expanded," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

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Associated Press writer Liz Sidoti contributed to this story from Washington.

 
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- Ladyhawk1 I'm a Fan of Ladyhawk1 2 fans permalink

Dear Preacher-man: (Obama)

“Hope” is an emotion and not a plan. You can ask me to “believe” all you want. Sorry, I want positive action from you. This is not about me believing …this is about you. I want an enforceable plan.
I am asking you to represent the people of this country and NOT the corporations. I am asking you to enforce the laws of this country and to call for justice in our names.

I demand that if you are elected, that you enforce my Constitution and keep it intact. I do not want the faith-based initiatives to be continued or enforced by you and anyone else in your organization or administration. Is that plain enough for you?

If the religious communities are having a tough time financially feeding and clothing the poor, then just STOP THE WAR. Bring all that misspent money home to the advantage of us all.

Quit pandering to the right. These faith-base policies are unconstitutional and can become discriminatory to anyone seeking a job, education or any type of help based on their religious beliefs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 07/02/2008

The more I read Obama's Faith-based proposal the more I identify components of his early personal experience in community building in Chicago. Although, there are risks involved in church/state separation boundaries Obama has a draft worthy of further refinement and improvement.The contrast between Obama & McCain can be compared to turbulences of growth (Obama) to Vietnan related shrine-based turbulences of fear and paranoid in response to Clark and Webb (McCain)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/02/2008
- robert234 I'm a Fan of robert234 9 fans permalink
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The saying goes , "There goes the neighborhood". Well expand that to "There goes the planet, no the universe!" The "god delusion", has infected Obama's cerebral cortex. The maddness that rots inside the entire Republican Party now rots the Democratic Party. The universal evil, theism, that has putrefied the human race since the beginning of time , now contaminates every nook and cranny of the American political system. The separation of church and state is reduced to a fetid cesspool of the middle ages religous inquisitional tyranny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 07/01/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

http://www.urban.org/publications/900907.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0612/p03s02-usju.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/qr_summary.html
http://pewforum.org/press/?ReleaseID=1

Could Obama be paving the way toward change. Perhaps under his leadership these faith-based initiatives may come under new scrutiny. Perhaps Obama's plan provides for better control, and guidelines to secularize the policy implementation? These links helped me to understand the problem. …“there is a divide of some sort. Some people think that the government ought to be able to allow that weaving of faith into a government-funded program. Others think that that is improper. Some people think the Constitution should allow that; some people think that the Constitution shouldn't.”

Perhaps Obama hopes to keep the funding and re- write policy to be more Constitutionally correct. Since this relationship has had much time to institutionalize itself, it will remain, but perhaps, with some new hurdles to jump.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 07/01/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

The government wants a bigger piece of the financial pie.
Since faith-based non profits collect huge sums of money, then it is in the government's best interest to encourage this effort. Furthermore, many faith-based groups decline participation in order to maintain control over their interests. Although, separation of church and state has proponents on all sides, faith based non profits hold a favored position historically and traditionally. Obama needs to keep them close in order to maintain control. Someday the federal government will own these financial forces. For Obama to provide personal examples of his experience provides symbolic strength to his rhetoric. This is the political process. It would be foolish to dump the entire faith-based segment of our country now. He is not president yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 07/01/2008
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OMG! This is not at all what I expect from Obama. Is he going to support abstinence only sex-ed now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/01/2008

This is my second comment, now that I have read all: Obama has to get elected to do anything: our population has such a short attention span that they will not listen to a cogent explanation that Gen. Clarke criticaized McCain's competence to lead our nation while praising McCain's military service: sorry, that is how dumbed-down we are. Same for a detailed explanation of the FISA situation; American voters do not want to stop, listen, think & evaluate; they want sound bites that comfort them. This perilous religious move will comfort them. I disapprove to the nth degree but we all know what a McCain presidency and Supreme Court of The United States will do to our wall: shatter it beyond repair. Bernie Kaye, Attorney, Frisco, Texas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 07/01/2008

This isn't a move to the center, it's to the right. Sadly this election will be a replay of the DEMS snatching DEFEAT from the jaws of victory. Follow the Constitution morons and quit pandering for votes!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 07/01/2008
- KarlaElisa I'm a Fan of KarlaElisa 19 fans permalink
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I agree, this is yet another move to the right. And it's also step away from the constitution. And I am afraid I cannot abide either, let alone both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 07/01/2008

I support Obama, but this is just plain dorky. Let's face it, when the government is talking faith based, they are only talking about a narrow definition that includes some Christian, some Jewish, and some Muslim identity. Mark my words, this will come to a head in a major Supreme Court discrimination case, and when it does I hope we have one or two fewer activist Conservative Justices on the bench.

Susan Jacoby's "Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism" should be required reading.

Barak, I lost a lot of respect for you after reading this piece.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/01/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

Chaos comes with change. I hope we progressives can ride the wave and not be reactionary like the neocons. The early constitutional writers did a great job, but they did not forsee the world we live in.
Now with economic troubles, poverty, uneducated masses, welfare, war, global economy, bulging prisons...
Obama needs to build a broad base to lead.

This is one news article not his whole platform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 07/01/2008
- demfriend I'm a Fan of demfriend 22 fans permalink
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Church and state are suposed to be seperate for reasons the forefathers put them to be seperate in the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. Obama is stepping in the stink on this one and he had better be really sure he wants this bad enough for Mac to win. Mac will win if this is what he really wants as too many are of the same belief that the church and government have been too close for a while already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/01/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

that was before big government and the welfare state

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/01/2008

Obama helped develop a huge democratic turnout for the primaries, unlike the republicans. He rides the overwhelming waves of American disapproval with Bush, his administration, the occupation of Iraq, the tanking economy and the price of gasoline.

With FISA, with the Clark cave-in, and now, with funding the so-called faith-based initiatives, Obama is NOT moving towards the center. The center was obliterated in a headlong movement towards the right over a decade ago. It is a movement towards the right and away from his base. It is almost certainly conscious and premeditated ... these stances serve to prove to the right, to the so-called independents that Obama is "one of them."

The problem is he can't be "one of them" and a progressive. This is pandering, of the worst sort. It undermines the support of his base, it opens him to the charges (rightfully) of being just another politician, it invites accusations of flip flopping. And for what? 72% of the American people disapprove of Bush, of his practices, and McCain is wedded at the hip to those practices. Now Obama is going to borrow a page from Bush's game book?

Please don't tell me Obama is somehow the "victim" of his advisors. I chose to believe he cannot be that stupid, that spineless, as to be the "puppet" of his political advisors. And If he is, he's not worthy of being president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/01/2008
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I have seen to many people who talk the talk. It sounds good.

The talker has stats, they've done the research. It's all good. It sounds really good and create momentum.

And when comes right down to it: They can't walk the walk. I expect that will be the same here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/01/2008
- cyndeewi I'm a Fan of cyndeewi 21 fans permalink
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People, I also was very upset with Obama. I took my name off his email list and had sworn never to send him any money but I was listening to a radio talk show host and he said something that I did not realized. Obama has to be ELECTED first. We want him to be just like us but he has to be president for all the people. Please vote for the man and let him get elected. We are not going to agree on everything the man says and does. Keep your unfavorable comments to a minimum because a lot of people read come to this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/01/2008
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The one thing that I refuse to do is minimize my comments so a forum for the favored candidate can reach the mass. We have a three-party system in this country: two that are taken very seriously and one that is considered the spoiler. Every person connected to these parties and those who are not even registered to vote have the right to voice their opinion, good, bad or indifferent. If you are a first time election watcher then you are seeing the media on the Obama wave. The media coverage is usually a bit more balanced.

With the media coverage being so very biased we, the people, who have opinions that may cause thought or generate response have a right, a duty, to speak out. Whether it is appreciated, liked or hated, considered askew, laughed, mocked it doesn’t matter. This is politics.

The media should hold themselves to a higher standard, a more ethical approach and show more duty to their chosen profession. If the media is the watchdog then we have to watch them to ensure that they are in fact honoring their profession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 07/01/2008
- surrytops I'm a Fan of surrytops 3 fans permalink
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He also only supports letting religious institutions hire and fire based on faith in the non-taxypayer funded portions of their activities

How is that going to be determined? Each position would have to be clearly classified as taxpayer funded or non. I'm scratching my head about this too. We've got a bunch of itchy democrats here, Obama. I am tired of the Republicans having a monopoly on American Christianity, but this is still a dangerous move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/01/2008

I want my tax monies to pay our Civil Servants in Civil Service jobs, NOT faith-based agencies, who can discriminate in hiring and firing. How many Civil Service jobs have been dropped because of faith based agencies or privatization? Civil Servants are the backbone of this country and do NOT have to base their ability to do as job on being a certain faith, Obama is way off course. He's following and expanding the Bush agenda, which was trying to make this a theocratic form of government. This is unconstitutional.
My vote could go to Nader, or McKinney of the Green Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 07/01/2008
- Jacksonian I'm a Fan of Jacksonian 20 fans permalink
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My husband and I were among the Missouri voters who gave Obama a primary victory here. Now we're wondering where the guy we supported has gone because he appears to have left town.

After the Senator's unfortunate statement in support of the current FISA bill, he lost my general-election vote, which is going to Bob Barr. I told my husband this morning as he left for work about Obama's plan to expand faith-based organizations. Now there will be two votes for Barr in our household.

And we're both liberal Democrats.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 07/01/2008

Exactly, the news continues to be rather grim in terms of who this Obama guy is. Being a liberal democrat like you folks, I have found it increasingly difficult to try to get excited about this man's candidacy. I also wonder how outspoken supporters like Bill Maher will respond to this "faith based" initiative. Every day the news supports that this guy is moving right of center. He may misinterpret that he has completely won the left. Major questions about his political orientation continue to raise significant doubt about his authenticity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 07/01/2008
- pmsl I'm a Fan of pmsl permalink

I have donated 5 separate times to his campaign and I just now unscubscribed from his list. I feel I have been conned and I don't want to be lied to anymore. This is especially painful because I really believed things would be different this time. I worry about all those new young voters that thought so too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/01/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

Some of us want more government, some less government, some no government, consequently,
if we want it all our way or no way then our democratic republic fails. Obama works to free us all to get involved in the process. Secular non-profits and faith-based non-profits provide essential processes that mobilize productivity. Either extreme of "right" or "left" disrupts this vital balance. Obama works to keep us all engaged in the process. This article generalizes and does not brand him anything. It is wise policy to keep the citizenry caring, working and productive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/01/2008
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