Obama Denies Change In Iraq Policy

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JENNIFER LOVEN | July 3, 2008 11:46 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., speaks on his Iraq policy during a news conference in Fargo, N.D., Thursday, July 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

FARGO, N.D. — Democrat Barack Obama struggled Thursday to explain how his upcoming trip to Iraq might refine, but not basically alter, his promise to quickly remove U.S. combat troops from the war.

A dustup over war policy _ one of the main issues separating the Illinois senator from his Republican opponent, John McCain _ overshadowed Obama's town-hall meeting here with veterans to talk about patriotism and his plans to care for them. Republicans pounced on the chance to characterize Obama as altering one of the core policies that drove his candidacy "for the sake of political expedience." He denied equally forcefully that he was shifting positions.

Arriving in Fargo, Obama hastily called a news conference to discuss news of a sixth straight month of nationwide job losses, but the questioning turned to Iraq policy and his impending trip there.

"I am going to do a thorough assessment when I'm there," he said. "I'm sure I'll have more information and continue to refine my policy."

He left the impression that his talks with military commanders there could refine his promise to remove U.S. combat troops within 16 months of taking office.

Less than four hours later, after the town hall meeting, Obama appeared before reporters for another statement and round of questions to "try this again."

"Apparently I was not clear enough this morning," he said. He blamed any confusion on the McCain campaign, which he said had "primed the pump with the press" to suggest "we were changing our policy when we haven't."

"I have said throughout this campaign that this war was ill-conceived, that it was a strategic blunder and that it needs to come to an end," he said. "I have also said I would be deliberate and careful about how we get out. That position has not changed. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position."

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He promised to summon the Joint Chiefs of Staff on his first day in office "and I will give them a new mission and that is to end this war, responsibly and deliberately, but decisively."

He said that when he talked earlier about refining his policy after talking with commanders in Iraq, he was referring not to his 16-month timeline, but to how many troops may need to remain in Iraq to train the local army and police and what troop presence might be needed "`to be sure al-Qaida doesn't re-establish a foothold there."

"I will bring our troops out at a pace of one two brigades a month" which would mean the United States would be totally out of Iraq in 16 months. "That is what I intend to do as president of the United States."

But later in the session, he said it is possible the 16-month timeline could slip if the pace of withdrawal needs to be slowed some months to ensure troop safety. "I have always said ... I would always reserve the right to do what's best," Obama said.

During his presidential campaign, Obama has gone from the hard-edged, vocal opposition to Iraq that defined his early candidacy to more nuanced rhetoric that calls for the phased-out drawdown of all combat brigades that, at a rate of one or two a month, could take 16 months. He has said that if al-Qaida builds bases in Iraq, he would keep troops either in the country or the region to carry out "targeted strikes."

Republicans, who have claimed Obama needs an update on the situation in Iraq, e-mailed a midday broadside.

"There appears to be no issue that Barack Obama is not willing to reverse himself on for the sake of political expedience," said Alex Conant, a spokesman for the national Republican Party. "Obama's Iraq problem undermines the central premise of his candidacy and shows him to be a typical politician."

McCain, has been a vocal supporter of the Iraq war and war policy has been a central disagreement between the two candidates.

But Obama insisted his position has not changed at all. He pointed out he has always said, "We need to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in." This means, he said, that his 16-month timeline "was always premised on" not endangering either U.S. troops or Iraq's stability, which he had previously been told by commanders was possible.

"I'm going to continue to gather information to see whether those conditions still hold," he said. "My goal is to end this conflict as soon as possible."

"I continue to believe that it is a strategic error for us to maintain a long-term occupation in Iraq at a time when conditions in Afghanistan are worsening, al-Qaida is continuing to establish bases in areas of northwest Pakistan, resources there are severely strained and we are spending $10 to $12 billion a month in Iraq that we desperately need here at home, not to mention the strains on our military," Obama said.

Obama plans a visit this summer to Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and the United Kingdom. The Illinois senator also has said he intends to visit Iraq and Afghanistan this summer as part of an official congressional trip that would be separate from the campaign-funded Mideast and European tour. It would be his second trip to Iraq.

Obama's Web site contains this direct promise about Iraq: "Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al-Qaida attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al-Qaida."

McCain was an early supporter of increasing the number of U.S. troops in Iraq as President Bush did last year. He wants to pursue the current counterinsurgency tactics to give Iraqis time to work out a political reconciliation. He has said he's willing to see some U.S. troops stay there as much as 100 years but not if they are being wounded or killed in combat. Rather he supports keeping a military presence in that part of the world because of its volatility.

FARGO, N.D. — Democrat Barack Obama struggled Thursday to explain how his upcoming trip to Iraq might refine, but not basically alter, his promise to quickly remove U.S. combat troops from the w...
FARGO, N.D. — Democrat Barack Obama struggled Thursday to explain how his upcoming trip to Iraq might refine, but not basically alter, his promise to quickly remove U.S. combat troops from the w...
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- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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The hardest thing that President Obama is going to have to
do is get US out of Iraq in a relatively short time. The easiest
thing McCain would get to do is keep US there.

But then Obama will have to go on and deal with a huge list
of other Terribles, left for him by the Worst President Ever.
All McCain would have to do is keep adding to the list.

And they say it's a tough job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 07/05/2008
- Garvagh I'm a Fan of Garvagh 11 fans permalink

The continuing presence of a large American military force in the middle of the oilfields of Iraq is an inflammatory agent causing infection, and that problem cannot be corrected without withdrawal of the large military force. In any event, poll after poll shows that most Iraqis want the US to leave ASAP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/04/2008

Only a fool and/ or idiot believes that he has been blessed with omniscience and therefore never needs to adjust opinions and beliefs. One need look no further than our Fearless Leader and all his henchmen as well as their appologists on the far right. Those closeminded ignoramuses continue to wave ignorance as if it were a flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/04/2008
- Azor I'm a Fan of Azor permalink

Well said! And the way the media splits hairs over the meaning of one word is pathetic. The word I am referring to is of course REFINE. How dare he think about refining and adjusting! Unless you think on Wednesday the same you thought on Monday irrespective of what may have happened on Tuesday, as Colbert brilliantly put it, you are a flip-flopper, a weakling, and a political hack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/04/2008

Obama has been "crystal clear he American people that if and when he is elected president, we will be out of Iraq in -- as he said, the time frame would be about 16 months AT THE MOST where you withdraw troops. There should be no confusion about that with absolute clarity." There is nothing confusing in the language he has been using consistently, the single most important issue he has been running on his is his clear commitment to have the vast majority of US military out of Iraq in at most 16 months. He has said he would listen to the advice of the generals about how to withdraw, but only their tactical advice not their advice on the strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 07/04/2008

50 state strategy? what is it about obama that leads him to believe that all the states that didn't go for john kerry, the vietnam war veteran, will suddenly fall in love with HIM?? is he so vain? i would think that red states would like him even less than kerry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 07/04/2008

What's this got to do with the article on Obama's position on ending the Iraq war? Smells of Rove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 07/04/2008

This is interesting, don't you think? Not to mention ... A job for Media Matters.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

"The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. "

Get that?
"... implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website..."
Go get 'em MM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/04/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

Paul Krugman was a day early.

He pointed out in today’s NYT that the media continues to fall for the Carl Rove strategy of making mountains out of fake mole-hill assumptions. (i.e. Al Gore invented the Internet. Wesley Clark dissed McCain's heroism).

If Krugman had waited an extra day, he would have seen the media jump on Obama for saying he might refine his position on an Iraq pull-out based on input from the Generals on the ground.

“Backtrack!” howled MSNBC's Scarborough and Smerconish.

“Flipflop” chimed in the McCain slimesters.

“Bullcr*p!” I screamed at my TV set.

Listen. I didn’t get off the banana boat yesterday and, given events of the past week, am hypersensitive to any hint of equivocation. There was nothing Barack said that represented a departure from his earlier positions or a “move to the center.”

In other words, it was a non-story.

Even as the news was breaking that Sen. Obama made it crystal clear that his position remained unchanged, cable newsers like Scarborough, Smerconish and Yellin continued to repeat the false assumption - that Obama's willingness to refine his withdrawal strategy based on input from his generals represented a change of position. EIther these people are (a) deaf, (b) stupid and/or (c) in the hip pocket of the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/04/2008
- PHM I'm a Fan of PHM 10 fans permalink

Oh, thank you so much...I wish the words that I screamed at those Right Wing creeps was as polite as yours.

Limbaugh and Rove are pulling no punches this time out...and what I can't believe is that some hungry journalist (are there any of those left these days?) doesn't call them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/04/2008

I was screaming at my television, too. Chris Matthews on vacation. Smerconish in his place. David Gregory on vacation. Scarborough in his place. Two relatively conservative subs in a row. On MSNBC no less! Thank you for Rachel Maddow for calling the conservatives on their auditory hallucinations, i.e., hearing words that Obama did not actually say!!! Not that Chris Matthews or David Gregory are much better. Corporate media is so keen on creating melodrama on a daily (or hourly) basis that they are constantly resorting to making up conflicts or "flip flops" where they don't exist. CNN is even worse. Fox News is the worst (of course). Chalk another one up for ratings wars--also known as profitmaking at its worst (again).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/04/2008

He had been saying he would end the war in 2009.
So unless he's in his 58 state unscripted haze, 16 months would be 2010.
If he now tries to say ending the war is not the same as having all the troops out, he will be a laughing stock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/04/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

If you are saying that Obama is open to reality and compared to the heroic John McCain, you are saying, this is one less objection you bear him. As Republicans continue to argue Obama is a Republican in lamb's clothing, they are logically committed to support him. Hopefully, combining discerning Democrats and goofy Republicans will give Obama the entire popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/04/2008

Actually, I fear O is closed to reality.
The Dems have consistently said we're getting out of Iraq no matter what the he// happens. They even passed legislation that required it.
Had O been President he would have signed it.

O said he's going to be out in 2009 / in 16 months. (Incompatible, yes, but that's only one incompatibility with this guy.)
Either of those is equivalent to "no matter what the he// happens)

O is NOT a Republican in Dem clothing. It's the poorest thinkers here on Huff who say that.
He's a Marx-ist in Denzel clothing trying to get elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/04/2008

A 3rd press conference is in order with questions taken from reporters who are not in the tank for O.
There must be SOMEone out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/04/2008

Obamma the con artist strikes again. If he actually would stand up for something, instead of trying to appease the religious right, the right wing nuts, we would have a candidate for change. But sadly, he is more of the same in snazzier clothes. You all chose the wrong candidate to support. I told you, Biden and Kucinich, but nobody cared enough to listen. Now we will have another Bush regieme in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/04/2008
- Azor I'm a Fan of Azor permalink

You start with a preconceived idea and you don't pay attention. To claim that Obama will be Bush redux is just plain absurd. Incidentally, I started with Biden also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 07/04/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

Obama seems to be denying change alot .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/04/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 76 fans permalink
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"a spokesman for the national Republican Party. "Obama's Iraq problem undermines the central premise of his candidacy and shows him to be a typical politician."

and there is nothing worse than "A TYPICAL POLITICIAN".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 07/04/2008
- happypup I'm a Fan of happypup 5 fans permalink

Unless it is someone who quotes a Republican Party spokesperson as if they actually were a credible authority!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 07/04/2008

Every politician is a politician no matter how you sugar coat the label. However, there may be a difference in a politician with old ideas and a politician with new ideas. What we have witness in a last seven plus years a man who has no political skills and wisdom. I personally have not heard and read anything where Mr. McCain is addressing the Afghan situation. His whole focus has been on Iraq. However, we have two sections of the region where we are at war. A President has to a leader who leadership skills on how to manage and fight a multi wars.

I find in Sen. Obama speech pertaining to Iraq and withdrawing all combat soldiers in 16 mos at an appx timeline based on their assessment of withdrawing one to two brigades a month. However, as retired military solder, if anyone who has no military experience and with common senses, must give in to account that as one prepares to stand down, you have to still maintain security and safety. So there may be months where you can not stand down a brigade or so, so that may move your timeline back a month or two. What in fact if they find themselves able to accelerate the withdrawal plane and be able to fully withdraw in 14 or 15 months, will we criticize him for withdrawing our combat soldiers too soon? So I say to the American people and media, let us have some common sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 07/04/2008
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No worries on this. I'd be more worried if he said he'd bring out troops at a steady pace no matter what. PLUS, he can't tip his hand to the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 07/04/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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The last frontier of flip-flops approaches for Barack Obama, and even his surrogates can’t seem to guess which way the wind blows on any given day. In three different appearances over the last two days, David Axelrod, Susan Rice, and Claire McCaskill all offered competing visions of Obama’s policy on Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 07/04/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

The list is 3 pages long of McSame's flip flops

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 07/04/2008

Let's face it - the only way he can get elected president is to talk out of both sides of his mouth and hope people believe him. He first said he will start withdrawing troops as soon as elected. That will please the left wing. Now it will be when conditions are right so he can safely bring troops home. That will please the right wing. He needs both wings to win the election, and he knows that, so he has no alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/04/2008

Of course, if he gets there he will have to figure out what he really believes. The conventional liberal/populist stuff he campaigned on during the primaries? Or the reversals he is so artfully offering up now?

I have no idea. Do you? Does he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 07/04/2008
- NorVaGal I'm a Fan of NorVaGal 13 fans permalink

Of course, if Bush and Cheney had not trumped up an unjustified war based on cherry-picked lies, none of this conversation would even be taking place. McCain wants to stay in Iraq if we're winning and stay in Iraq if we're losing. What artful solutions does HE have to bring our troops home? Do you have any ideas? "Cause McCain certainly doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/04/2008

What is Obama's current plan? It was leave in 16 months or sooner. In fact the primaries where won on his withdraw from Iraq regardless of the conditions pledge. Soon very soon, the differences between the current Obama position will be so close to McCain's that for all practical purposes there will be no differences over the next four years. During the 2006 congressional elections the Democrats convinced the voters that they the Democrats would shutdown funding and force a withdraw from Iraq if Democrats gained control of congress. Now, the Democratic candidate who used to make the same promise is backpedaling on his commitment in July before the election. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 07/04/2008
- neem I'm a Fan of neem 4 fans permalink

Obama is still committed to using US troops only when absolutely necessary to protect our security. As he has always said, he really would like to get out of Iraq as soon as he can. As it happens, things have gotten better in Iraq during the past year (they could hardly have gotten worse) and Obama is saying that he is open to the possibility that a slower withdrawal might hold onto these gains and be good for both the Iraqui people and our own security. He's not saying this for sure, he's saying that he's open to the possibility. How is this a flip-flop? Are you a flip-flopper if you simply say that you're open to new possibilities? Is there any doubt that Obama would really like to get out of Iraq, and McCain really has no problem with staying there for a long time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 07/04/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Barack Obama: President sets Iraq mission; give generals a new mission
Q: You have said "we will be out of Iraq in 16 months at the most." No matter what the military commanders say?

A: The commander in chief sets the mission. That's not the role of the generals. The president's approach lately has been to say, well, I'm just taking cues from General Petraeus. Well, the president sets the mission. The general and our troops carry out that mission. And unfortunately we have had a bad mission. Once I've given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberatel in an orderly fashion out of Iraq

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 07/04/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

Sites like Huffington and Daily KOS played right into this......No president can agree with you 100% of the time....He is running for President of the United States, not President of the Democratic Party.......Stop helping the republicians

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 07/04/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Obama's Web site contains this direct promise about Iraq: "Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.
The flip is almost complete. All that's left to say is that the 16-month time frame remains his goal but he will, of course, take into account the situation on the ground and the recommendation of his generals in determining the ultimate pace of the withdrawal.

Done. And with that, the Obama of the primaries, the Obama with last year's most liberal voting record in the Senate, will have disappeared into the collective memory hole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/04/2008
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He has changed nothing about his position--­-absolutel­y nothing, FUBAR.

As always, you twist his words, leave out important qualifiers, and lie through your teeth.

No wonder you're a Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 07/04/2008
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