Conservative Christian Group Invokes Slavery In Opposing Obama

The Christian Defense Coalition held their anti-Obama press conference today -- "An Appeal to Catholics Regarding the 2008 Presidential Election" -- complete with the "I want you to pay for abortions" Obama-as-Uncle-Sam picture we told you about Monday as well as some other interesting material.

Such as: this image of slavery, invoked in the CDC's literature to argue that there is nothing wrong with Catholics being "single issue" voters on abortion.

Argues the CDC: "if that issue involves a fundamental right, such as the right to life for a certain group of human beings, and there is only one morally legitimate position on that issue...no faithful Catholic would vote for a candidate who, although 'personally opposed to slavery,' supported 'a white man's right to choose' to own slaves."

Read the whole story here.

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[IslandGyal]

When these folks can show me proof that WHITE Catholics rejected and made opposition to slavery a mandate; I will give a darn, and not feel they are all FULL of IT!!!

[bola47]

it all comes down to the facts.

the christian right in this country are nothing but hateful bigots who are trying to tell everyone else how to live. i believe that this is what we are fighting against in the middle east. hateful bigots who are trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else. the right wingnuts in this country want it both ways.

[protagonia]

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it all comes down to the facts.

the christian right in this country are nothing but hateful bigots who are trying to tell everyone else how to live. i believe that this is what we are fighting against in the middle east. hateful bigots who are trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else. the right wingnuts in this country want it both ways.
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They are too ignorant, imprinted and prideful to realize who they truly serve. It's certainly not God. But there is a matched set sold with this one. Perhaps were they to look in the other direction when they pray - or is it "Prey".

Revelations says there will be the stupid followers of the false Christ first. I believe they are right on schedule.

[bola47]

very nice for a religious group. makes me want to puke.

[loax]

These people need to be tarred and feathered! Never in my life have I seen such a blatant attack LOADED with racism and hate. I would not belong to this group of "Christsians" if you held my feet to a fire. Where is the MSM outrage over this kind of crap????

[Matt7]

Some people take the invitation to have a candid and honest discussion on race, as permission to spew bigoted and hateful sentiments and comments that should remain unheard; if not dissipated all together. Only now more people see these actions/comments for what they are, and perhaps have a better understanding of the outrage (or silent rage) that they inspire.

The good news, though, is that although this is sometimes a painful period to go through, I have hope that what comes out on the other side will be a stronger, more honest and moral America for all of us.

[mom2sons]

Cracks me up that the Rethuglicans continue to use these people to keep the division going and the money coming in. These are the types of groups (supposedly faith-based) that are scarier than any movie I've ever seen. These are KRAZY people. What part don't they understand that they were used by Turdblossom, Cheney and Dubya and all the other Rethugs! Stupid fools!

[keepemhonest]

This group has the nerve to dictate that our "moral obligation." These rightwinged zealots need to take care of their OWN "moral obligation."

These rightwingers have the moral obligation to demand the Pope stop harboring known pedophile priest in the Vatican and in Catholic churches around Rome for the purpose of avoiding extradition to the countries where they violated Man's Laws AND God's Laws.

It is true, the current Pope Benedict and former Pope John Paul II have been HARBORING pedophile priests FOR YEARS by ALLOWING PEDOPHILE PRIESTS TO LIVE IN THE VATICAN AND IN CATHOLIC CHURCHES AROUND ROME so those pedophile priests can avoid civil and criminal trials in the United States and other countries.

Rev. Joseph Henn, Rev. Barry Bossa, Rev. James Tully, Rev. John Baptist "J.B." Ormechea, Rev. Julian Fox, Rev. Edgar Hidalgo, Rev. Daniel Pater, Rev. Richard Mataconis
-- are just a few of the over 200 pedophile priests that both Pope John Paul II and the current Pope harbor in catholic churches and in the Vatican avoiding extradition and who are allowed to interact with the children in Rome. Google these pedophiles the Pope harbors and Catholic donations provide for.

[DavidAF]

Christians are the most hypocritical creatures on this planet. They are notorious for not practicing what they preach and they rather tell people what to do than actually do it themselves. Well, thats a lot like most people of "faith".

Thats religion for ya, holding humans back as a species one sheep at a time.

Oh yeah, the bible never condemns slavery and actually advocates it through history. Why? Because religion is a form of slavery and if you convince people slavery is bad then they might actually recognize how slavish religion is and might just drop out.

If you think I'm wrong, just take some time out of your day to really "think" about it, I know its hard but you can do it. God gave us a brain for a reason, to use it!

[Matt7]

Who?

[MemphisBuffalo]

The true face of christians is being exposed.

[Vern58]

Please do not put all of us onto the same boat. As a longtime member of the Episcopal Church i object. This is a problem of fundamentalist religious fanaticism- not a inherent part of Christianity itself. It is a part of a worldwide problem with fundamentalist belief- and look at the news. Fundies in all religions need to be grouped and marginalized- for the sake of the species.

[rwt1138]

The thing is, fundamentalism is just distilled religion. The difference between, say, a moderate Presbyterian and a fundamentalist Pentecostal is the difference between a beer and a shot of moonshine, but it's all essentially the same thing

Once you accept into your world view that things should be believed even if they are not and can not be proven or defy known scientific principles or rules, you step off the reason train and onto a world of magic and mysticism.

In the end, both the moderate and the fundamentalist believe in an invisible being with magic powers who grants wishes. I don't begrudge you your right to believe in the invisible magic being, or to pray for him to grant your wishes. I only object when you or people like you insist that we have to pass laws to conform to the invisible magic being's secret rules and wishes, or that people like me who don't believe in invisible magic beings have to behave according to what you tell me his rules are.

[protagonia]

Vern58,

It is upon YOU then sir, to take on the corruption within your own belief structure with all veracity - so as not to leave it for the rest of us to deal with. You have more at stake than we do for this. It is the ONLY Christian thing to do. That's right, risk. Be brave and take them on in every manner as a true follower of Christ's word. Dedicate your existence to it or stop pretending you honor the Dove Of Peace.

Or, you can just make it OUR problem. These are manipulated people, sent to harm their own brothers and sisters. Not a true Christian perspective.

[shelobo]

SOME of these 'Christian' groups are nothing but hate mongers.Look at Phil Burress ,Head of Citizens for Community Values,he is a McCain backer and was one of the evangelics McCain had meetings with.Burress is a man who has been married several times,an admitted porn addict,who ruined TWO of his marriges with his porn addictions.His third wife 'previews' porn for him so he can crusade against it as its too tempting for him to preview it.Now heres the problem with ALL these so called Christian groups, IF they were the true Christians they claim to be they darn sure would NOT be judgeing nor condeming ANYONE for sinning .Christianty has evolved into money makeing scams for most of these judgemental 'Christians'..Every one keeps ranting on about Community and Core values for a Presidental candidate.What are McCains values ?The only thing I see McCain using as a platform to show his values is his war 'Hero' status .How can ANY Christan support McCains POLITICAL career and sleep at night ?McCains commited Adultry with a woman 17 years younger than him while his wife was disabled ( http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm ) ,he called his present wife the 'C' word in public,and he has LIED numerous times ("Keating 5," )McCain even made fun of a CHILD ,(Chelsa Clinton)Any true evangelic would stay clear of McCain period ,not support him politically,but PRAY for his valueless soul.http://www.usvetdsp.com/nov07/mccain_deceit.htm

[BassMent]

I am a former Catholic who is now a member of a very liberal Episcopalian church. Just to set the record straight (as it seems that a wide range of Christian stands on social issues are being conflated in these comments): the Catholic church is strongly and vocally against abortion, the death penalty and war. The Pope has become personally involved in trying to stay executions in the US, and told Bush at the start of the Iraq war that he was "setting foot on the path to Hell."

It's primarily the Evangelicals in this country that seem to think killing inside the womb is a sin but killing outside the womb is fine and dandy. But not even all of the members of these denominations feel this way.

Reality-based Christians (heck, realtiy-based humans) know that abortion is bad. No one is walking around thinking, "Wow, abortions are great! The more abortions the better!" But the solution to the problem is not outlawing abortions, which common sense tells us will just jack up the body count. The key is education and the easy availability of contraception. End unwanted pregnancy, and you end abortion. Simple equation, and one that is understood by many Christians.

[oxford]

Perhaps these one issue ideologs should be allowed to finish-off this country. I'm 77 and I might make it out before they complete their "march to Armageddon". Vote GOP, attack Iran and it may be upon us before they think.

[Vern58]

These are NOT Christians as i know the term. They are a bunch of political fanatics enshrouding themselves in the garb of religious belief. Real Christians do not endorse these tactics. These are idiots- pure and simple.

[muadibe]

Any person who identifies as being pro life ought to be against the taking of ANY life. Most so called Christians do NOT fall into this category. Hence, most are hypocrites.

Pro choice DOES NOT = pro abortion. All it means is that, as I do, you respect a woman's right to choose. I am in no way religious, so fear no so called god, yet I would NEVER want to be in a position where I am a part of any decision making process, as to whether or not an abortion should be performed. I very much dislike the idea, but that doesn't give me the right to impose my will on a potential mother.

[Binea]

That is because you do not believe the babe in the womb is human or alive,so it allows you to rationalize it.Now use you same line of reasoning with a baby a month old.Do you believe Mom has the right to choose to kill her month old.how about a 2 year old ? 10 ? You really aren't a fully developed human being until adulthood.maybe even Til old age ..which is the last stage of human developement.

[muadibe]

Actually, the reason I dislike the idea as I said in my post, is that it is the beginning of a life. BUT, since I won't be providing for that child after it is born, who am I to insist that it be born if the mother doesn't want it?

Am I to believe that it is better to bring a child into the world, and watch him/her be starved, abused, neglected, abandoned? This is more, how do you say, "compassionate and christian"? NO! A fetus doesn't have emotions, feelings, thoughts, and fears. Children outside the womb do, and NEED care.

So until you and those like you (who insist that babies be born regardless of circumstance), ensure that you provide for that child after it is born, PLEASE do not lecture the rest of us about our beliefs.

[muadibe]

And here's a thought. You might try 'rationalizing' a few things in life. You'd be amazed how easily it clarifies matters and keeps you from making decisions based on emotion.

[jashu51]

What you're saying is really stupid. That's like saying a mother can see her newborn, not like the looks of it, and kill it and there would be no difference with that and ending a pregnancy. I believe the Bible defines life as beginning with first breath.

[Khrish]

I 100% agree with you. If we stay out of the personal affairs of others we won't need this conversation. According to the state, insurance doesn't even cover a child until it is born! I would like for religion to have enough faith in "God" to let God handle such decisions and results.. The country seems so anti Muslin countries, yet we are moving more and more in the same direction even with christanity and juduism being the only allowed religions. I am so tired of interference from religious in our elections. Even the Bible mentions render ing unto Caesar that which is his and unto me that which is mine. Politics is Caesar's. If religion is going to continue to play such an intrusive role in politics, I suggest we look into the taxing situation.

[muadibe]

Agreed. I must admit, I have a somewhat different view of religion. Unfortunately, I find it difficult to reason with many believers. I prefer to use reason over blind faith. I've never understood that.

What I DO know, is that we've had many cultures before us who believed wholeheartedly in, and worshipped their gods, some to the point of human sacrifice. The Romans, Greeks had many gods. Where is the belief in those gods today? We accept that they don't exist, yet we have our modern day god(s). Centuries from now, the same will be said of today's god(s) - that the don't exist.

Let's not forget that history is often the best teacher. Yet, it seems, so many choose to ignore history's many lessons about Gods.

However, as with my position about abortion, it is not my place to tell others what they should believe in.

[Binea]

I see alot of comments about Republicans being the same ones supporting the Iraq war and the death penalty,being prolife .you are wrong.
I'm anti death penalty ( unless proven guilty beyond any doubt)of a horrendous murder. But,I don't trust the justice system..so I guess I'm anti death penalty too. I am against the war in Iraq and all wars that are not in self defense from a direct attack.
and I am prolife with one exception.When it comes to a real danger of the woman dying if she were to carry the baby to term.If you force her to carry the baby,u kill her ( or cause her commit suicide),if you force her to abort ,you force her to kill her baby. Government should never have a say in that.It's role is to protect innocent life,not take it.
pro-choice people keep using that mantra " a womans right to choose" but she is not choosing to kill herself,with abortion,She is killing someone else. That babe is human and alive, so until u have absolute proof to the contrary, have the decency respect to allow him/her the most basic human right.
It is the pro-choice position that is not consistent.

[rwt1138]

She's choosing not to carry the baby to term, that's all. There are numerous reasons why a woman would make such a choice, and the situation is too complex to crystallize into sound bites or cute slogans. There are women who become pregnant who can not financially provide for the child, or who simply aren't willing or able to commit the many years of hard work that go into raising a child.

Raising a child is difficult and requires a great deal of commitment. Carrying a child for 9 months in the womb is emotionally and physically taxing. Requiring people to do either against their will is not in anyone's best interest, least of all the fetus or child. As I see it, the only argument anyone has against allowing a woman to terminate her pregnancy is that their imaginary friend says it's a bad thing. I'm not sure that's a good basis for public policy.

[oxford]

This crap, when viewed by a person who thinks for themselves, will realize that Chris Hitchens was correct when he correctly wrote; "Religion Spoils Everything".
Take away their tax exemption.