Hagee's Revenge? Videos Of Controversial Pastor Removed From YouTube

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First Posted: 07- 8-08 10:52 AM   |   Updated: 07-16-08 05:12 AM

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Late last week, with no prior notification, lawyers for the controversial evangelist John Hagee had a series of videos concerning the pastor removed from YouTube. The clips spanned from the contentious to the mundane; some included footage lifted from sermons Hagee had already made public, others involved documentaries made by filmmakers inside Hagee's conventions. All told more than 120 videos were taken down in the abrupt sweep.

The timing was, perhaps, more peculiar than the move itself. Clips that had been online for well over a year were now being subjected to "third-party" copyright infringement claims. And while Hagee had not been in the mainstream press since he and Sen. John McCain ended their official relationship a month prior, Hagee's Christians United for Israel annual summit is just days away, and at least one prominent McCain backer (Sen. Joseph Lieberman) is set to be in attendance.

Two individuals who have documented Hagee and posted clips on some of his more noteworthy sermons (including those interpreted as anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, and anti-gay -- Hagee, Wilson noted, once claimed that the Anti-Christ will be German, gay, a "blasphemer" and "partly Jewish - as was Adolf Hitler, as was Karl Marx") believe that nefarious motives were behind the YouTube shakedown.

"Obviously Hagee's minions orchestrated this move to suppress bad publicity ahead of their July summit," said Max Blumenthal, a freelance writer and videographer whose documentary on last year's Christians United for Israel summit was viewed by hundreds of thousands. "This is a response to the McCain debacle and concern over bad publicity for Lieberman's appearance," he charged.

"My guess is that videos [that] Hagee's people think are the most damaging are the ones they targeted," said Bruce Wilson, who first highlighted Hagee's claim that the Holocaust was God's means of hastening the apocalypse by driving the Jews to Palestine. "Clearly, the conference at the end of July and the fact that Lieberman is going to be there also played a role. That's my guess. They certainly don't want people to see the more controversial stuff."

Public relations officials for John Hagee Ministries denied foul play. Noting that several mainstream video clips -- including one from Hagee's speech at AIPAC -- were removed from YouTube as well, they also dismissed the notion that lawyers to the pastor were suppressing news or undermining free speech.

"Any material that was produced for John Hagee Ministries or Christian United for Israel was deemed to be a copyright infringement was taken down," said Juda Engelmayer, a spokesman from the firm 5WPR. "Anything that showed John Hagee giving a sermon - because he films and markets those as well - were taken down because they were considered copyright infringements."

While Engelmayer insisted that legal action to remove the YouTube videos had been in the works for a while, he acknowledged that he didn't "have an answer" as to why it was being pursued now. Many Hagee-related videos, it should be noted, remain on YouTube, and both Wilson and Blumenthal have moved some of their work to Vimeo, another video sharing service.

And yet, as Blumenthal and Wilson note, claims that this was merely an effort to combat copyright infringement contain several, glaring holes. For starters, Hagee had complained but never sought legal recourse for past publication of his sermons. Moreover, Blumenthal's work, while filmed at a Christian United for Israel event, was his own, not Hagee's. "There was no copyrighted material because it was me reporting on a public event," he said.

Even Engelmayer admitted that he didn't know how Blumenthal's particular work "fit the criteria" that the lawyers used. "But if he puts it up [on YouTube] again, I'm almost positive it won't be challenged."

There is little Blumenthal, Wilson, People for the American Way or others whose videos were swiped can do in the meantime. A first amendment lawyer with knowledge of copyright law noted that the pastor's lawyers can have YouTube take down relevant videos regardless of how little Hagee footage they include or how long they have been online. Indeed, YouTube's policy is to remove any video that a third-party claims is a copyright infringement, even if it seems to clearly be "fair use."

After a period of time -- likely, more than two weeks -- users can repost their clips and that third-party must then prove that the video violates copyright law. By then, however, Hagee's Christian's United for Israel, Washington-Israel Summit will likely have commenced.

Late last week, with no prior notification, lawyers for the controversial evangelist John Hagee had a series of videos concerning the pastor removed from YouTube. The clips spanned from the contentiou...
Late last week, with no prior notification, lawyers for the controversial evangelist John Hagee had a series of videos concerning the pastor removed from YouTube. The clips spanned from the contentiou...
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- zakon I'm a Fan of zakon 3 fans permalink
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Irony:

If Joe Lieberman was the Anti-Christ

Wouldn't the Anti-Christ be audacious enough to speak at an anti Anti-Christ church?

If Joe becomes McCain's VP, he's just a heart attack away from being the ruler of the world! Joe was a few hanging chads away from being Gore's VP and an Omen away from being the ruler of the world. LOL. Hagee must theoretically knows this, yet Hagee wants to kiss Joe's butt any how.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 07/08/2008
- zakon I'm a Fan of zakon 3 fans permalink
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Irony:

If Joe Lieberman was the Anti-Christ

Wouldn't the Anti-Christ be audacious enough to speak at an anti Anti-Christ's church?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 07/08/2008

He's a LoonyTune

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 07/08/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Where oh where is Danielle Dax when we need her to stand up to fascists like this??

"Big Hollow Man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqhym59ypUI

"A regular Joe
Who had nowhere to go
A space where his home had been
A bombing religion
A blight on the region
To fuel a pious dream
(And they said)
God will provide the way
You read about it every day
(I'm telling ya)
All you gotta do is pray
And furnish his house with silver"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 07/08/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Why is Google/YouTube going out of it's way to protect this Hagee guy?? All I can figure is, AIPAC money must be worth more than my money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 07/08/2008

Of course it is. Your country is run by them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 07/08/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Unfortunately it seems. That's why I was wanting to get rid of people in our govt who hold dual-citizenships, since you never know what side they are on. But HuffPo removed that post. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 07/08/2008

Dear Hagee,

If you truly believe what your preaching & consider it Gods word.. then why hide it?
Don't you want to spread your interpretation of Gods intent?
Why pull your sermons from YouTube when so many people could be SAVED by seeing them?

Stand by what you say or shut the f*** up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 07/08/2008

Amen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/08/2008

Good point, my mistake. ;o)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 07/09/2008
- 4wehttam I'm a Fan of 4wehttam 14 fans permalink

I'd skip the "Dear" part if I were you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 07/09/2008

If there is one thing that Hagee is not, it is anti-semitic. Anyone who believes otherwise has never even heard of him before this election season. I don't know a protestant­/evangelic­al minister who is FOR I$rael.

Why he removed his sermons is beyond me. I spent three years of my edited sermons on the radio and have nothing to hide for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 07/08/2008

In addition, frankly it is fun coming over here and watching ignorance on fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 07/08/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 85 fans permalink

I don't know Hagee. I only know what he says. If he says that it will be good to bring on the apocalypse and the end of the world by seeing the Jews destroyed in Israel, then he does not know Jesus for Jesus never spake so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/08/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 390 fans permalink
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I'd say that Hagee is pro-Jewish only so far as the Jews play their part in his end-times scenarios.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 07/08/2008
- Dannydel I'm a Fan of Dannydel 18 fans permalink
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"Raise your hands, all those who are sick to death of these 'Christian' used car salesmen?" These hypocritical Princes of polyester should have their vids, pics, and names removed from the web and placed up on the Jim & Tammy wall of shame, along with all the other phony beggars who live in tasteless mansions. Good riddance fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 07/08/2008

Just curious, what makes Hagee hypocritical to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 07/08/2008

Probably the fact that he even dares to call himself a Christian given what a hate monger he is.. Just a few cents to the conversation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 07/08/2008

Hey Rev.,

YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/08/2008
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 93 fans permalink
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The only thing worse than Hagee ..... are the ones who devoutly contribute and follow his hate and intolerance.

I have no way of knowing, however, I could only guess that Christ would be appalled !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/08/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 48 fans permalink

Hagee's lawyers are trying to stop the damage Hagee has done by plagarizing material of a classic nature & in the public domain & attempting to copyright it as his intellectual property. Hagee freely uses classic, standards in the literature of hatred, bias, anti-semitic material in his sermons. Evidence of this foul practice may be used to prevent Pastor Hagee from copyrighting his corrupted, plagarized 'original' works. It's truly ironic that Pastor Hagee's friend, Lord, savior, master & hope was born of a Jewish woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 07/08/2008

I still fail to understand, how can one be anti-semitic while he literally is bending backwards arguing for the broader establishment of Israel de facto approving of the annexation of the disputed territory from Arabs and perpetuation of the ongoing occupation, not even to mention his passionate and blatant demonization of Islam? All that and anti-semitic?

Whoever came up with this idea, must have not listened to his sermons very closely, unless i've missed something grandiose myself. Can anybody fill me in on this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 07/08/2008

No actually you are right. I will fill you in. Most if not all of the drive-by posters here who are pretty much anti-semitic and anti- christian would stretch any story and believe any claim that supports their deluded thinking and then run off on foolish rants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 07/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 11 fans permalink
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BayAreaResident;

Accusations fly free in a heated debate over religion. Add Islam and Israel and you have what you read on these pages. I have kept an eye on Hagee for quite a few years from a distance. I never heard anti semetic remarks from him but like I said it was from a distance.

For decades preachers have tried to identify the antichrist, when in reality their bibles say no one can tell.

As for me and my house: Imagine by John Lennon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 07/08/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 390 fans permalink
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He wants to spark World War III between the Israelis and the muslim world so that the second coming will be hastened. While not "anti semitic" by the strict definition, I would say he doesn't exactly have the best interests of the Jewish people in mind. He sees them as nothing but actors in his little end-times play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 07/08/2008
- scottarino I'm a Fan of scottarino 13 fans permalink
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It's funny how Hagee's lawyers talked of copyright infringement, when ANY pastor worth his salt would give sermons away to anyone, anyhow, of any denomination, if it might save a soul. I guess the only denomination Hagee knows is $100s, and $1000s. False prophet anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/08/2008
- BhunduBoy I'm a Fan of BhunduBoy 5 fans permalink

Hagee, Bush, Cheney, McCain, AIPAC, Lieberman, NYT, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX. It's all the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/08/2008
- zendem1 I'm a Fan of zendem1 109 fans permalink

Hagee once said in one of his rants that homosexuals were created by pedophile parents. So,,,,Dick C heney?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/08/2008
- zendem1 I'm a Fan of zendem1 109 fans permalink

If anybody wants a first hand look at Hagee and his legion of idiots, read Matt Taibbi's latest book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 07/08/2008
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