Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

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And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
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- LillianB I'm a Fan of LillianB 9 fans permalink

It's not pandering as long as he means what he is saying. Some of these "moving to the center"-stories would have been non-stories had people known more about him. I've been reading his first book, "Dreams from my father", now, and in that book (written when he was 33 and had yet not started running for any office) you can see where both his Father's Day speech and certain other positions now being referred to as "flip-flops" and pandering came from. Obama is simply telling people what he means, and have meant for a long time. That's not pandering. That's letting the public know you.

The FISA bill is another story. That is a flip-flop. But that one, he has actually defended, explaining the public why he changed his mind. I don't agree with him, but I respect him for having that opinion, and I don't think it was that easy making up his mind on it. See his own campaign's web site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 07/13/2008

Do the democrats have the votes to over ride a presidential veto??NO! Get over it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/10/2008
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 18 fans permalink
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"Grow up" you can't get what you want, many are saying, "Obama is our only hope."
Not so! We thought that of the 2006 congress; remember them dancing on the stage. What a bunch of losers!
I'm not so sure that a vote for Nader will insure a McCain win, after all Republicans are as unhappy with their apparent choice.
Where is the story on Obama's promise to push Amnesty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/09/2008

Man you Obama fanatics are disturbing. You rightly felt sick to your stomach when Hillary "moved to the center" and voted for the war on Iraq. However when Obama "moves to the center" with his FISA support and throws the Constitution in the shredder you stand up and do... nothing. This is as important as that vote. Who knows what future presidents will do with the unabaited ability to spy on U.S. citizens and the precedent of asking corporations to break the law with no possible repercussions. Big deal. It's sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 07/09/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

I see Obama as a cartoon character - the skinney mad dictator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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It's not progressive to protect our privacy. It is actually one of the core values of any free society.

Benjamin Franklin said sacrificing freedom for security is no security at all.

Cowards on the left cowards on the right. I never thought Nader would be the only voice of reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 07/09/2008
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OK, then vote for Nader and keep the GOP in power until all of us in middle America collapse from lack of basic and fundamental services such as good schools, lack of good healthcare and lack of adequate housing. You think it is bad now, it will only get worse. Yes, vote NAder and throw 4 more years away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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OR... we could pressure our democratic leaders to find a spine so we can vote for them. Is that too much to ask?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/09/2008

Really? Who's fault is that? Democrats do NOTHING to stop any of this cr@p now. Why would it be any different cause Obama is there. Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/09/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 205 fans permalink
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Nader/Gonz­alez--2008­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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I really despise this 'I didn't move to the center, I've always been here' argument because we all remember how real democrats were begging the mainstream media to vet this candidate better so we could see the differences between him and Clinton.

But of course, the corporate-­controlled media instead pumped him up like a rock star, ignored his slim record, republican-lite positions and empty-suit reputation. Now we are stuck with him when we all know that if Clinton were the presumptive nominee, we wouldn't even be discussing whether she moved or not. Hate Clinton all you want, but we can agree that we all knew during the primaries where she stood on the issues.

Obama remains a huge question mark. Question marks don't do well in elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgPYkw0X8p0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/09/2008
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WHy are you posting here? You sound more like a conservative republican. Then go on conservatove blogs. Obama is the best we will get and the thought of 4 more GOP years makes me want to move to another part of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Guess where I live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 07/09/2008

post my comment please u know it's true....

.....and do you know that Hillary voted for the War in the first place which sealed the deal on her not becoming the nominee and us going to a dumb War and now our economy is in the crapper, gas is through the roof when before the War it was about 23 bucks a barrell, shall i go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Obama has proven to me these last weeks beyond any doubt that he would have also voted yes on the authorization to use force, just like politcally expendient Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/09/2008

Yep. He's proven that to me as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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Your right Barack, you have moved to the right. We will find out today how far right you have moved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 07/09/2008
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I see a lot of anti-Obama comments. SOmehow I suspect these are not and have never been Obama supporters. Obama is essentially the same. He has moved on some issues but he is essentially progressive. Well if you want to kill a progressive candidate go ahead. You'll get 4 years of a visionless, boring and catastrophic governance from a party that doesn't understand middle America. Obama is not going to be perfect nor you will agree 100%, with him but he is right now our best shot at winning the WHite House. All you progressives who like to bring him down along with the neocons, all you are doing is killing our best shot at a better America.Better environment, better healthcare, better schools and teachers, better jobs and so on. A vote for McCAin or Nader is a vote lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 07/09/2008
- Sarahjan I'm a Fan of Sarahjan 6 fans permalink

eden4barack08

No. I was not hoping for saint in candidate Obama. What I was hoping for is a leader that did not treat the word "liberal" as something to run away from as it’s the foundation of modernity. Obama latest flip flops show that America is a frontier society rather than a modern society. We have America's love for guns in the face of lack of good public institutions such as publicly funded healthcare and education, dangerous obsession with patriotism and distain for liberal values, reliance on militarism rather than political discourses and dialogue in dealing with conflict. What these factors suggest this that the US is a nation that has not yet arrived at the level of cultural maturity of other modern societies.

We thought that Obama had broader grasp of what the people wanted to see in him was that he had backbone and was willing to lead rather than flip flop on issues such as FISA, Iraq and the rest. His refusal to go along with the gas tax gave some of us a false hope that Obama had a vision.
Any way, what do we know about his views on major issues ? Obama has never penned any major work in scholarly journals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/09/2008
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WHo says Obama has not penned any major work? And what are his two renowned books? And his Harvard Reviw articles? Obama remaiins progressive. He cannot win on an all left agenda. He has to get some support from the middle. You posters have to be realistic and help our candidate win the general election before you satr questioning his credentials. This is why the left always loses the general election

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/09/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

"This is why the left always loses the general election"

have you ever considered that the reason the left always loses the general election is BECAUSE it's the left?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/09/2008

.....and do you know that Hillary voted for the War in the first place which sealed the deal on her not becoming the nominee and us going to a dumb War and now our economy is in the crapper, gas is through the rough when before the War it was about 23 bucks a barrell, shall i go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/09/2008

Listen folks, you can beat yourselves in the head about this FISA thing if you want but it is useless. Sure some of you not most will not vote for Obama because of this but let's be honest this is not the top issue for most Americans or the pundits or MSM as no one is talking about it. I believe the country is split on this Bill that is the ones that actually know about it, probablay 60-40 and it doesn't out way the Economy, Energy and War. I mean come on Lou Dobbs is not even talking about this FISA thing, the self claimed #1 Independent, Mr. Constitution is not covering this story at all.

Give it a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/09/2008
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Exactly my thoughs. Now we have all this so called progressives criticizing Obama on the FISA issue when our country is literally falling apart and McCAIn nor NAder will ever be the answer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/09/2008
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Your ignorance is well on display. You obviously have no idea of the fundamental importance of the Constitution and Bill of rights to Progressives.

Go ahead and get lathered up over gas prices and the like with the rest of the idiot electorate while your Congress (Democrats and Republicans) pass law after law that undermines the core source of our freedom in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 07/09/2008

One more thing - do you people know that Hillary - the one you endlessly trashed here - will vote "NO" on FISA? Just as she voted "NO" on the last money for war bill, and on the Moveon censure bill (Obama failed to vote on these two). It helps paying attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 07/09/2008

Don't you know you can't say things like that here. It fuzzies up their perfect little world the delusional have built around themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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No she is voting yes. trading one shill for a worse shill doesn't solve anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 07/09/2008
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Obama is not worse anything. Stop trashing our candidate. If you don't like his positions vote McCAin and get more war, more chaos, more GOP crap

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/09/2008
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Hillary is not running anymoe. Give it a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 07/09/2008

Don't be too sure about that. There is reason why she only "suspended" her campaign. Word on the street is that she plans to go ahead and submit her name onto the convention floor. We'll see, if that happens, what type of "buyer's remorse" is out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/09/2008

And in related news, Leonard Nimoy writes: "I am not Spock" However,but due to the outcry, later publishes the sequel: "I am Spock"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 07/09/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

further developments in 'spockgate':

william shatner declares, 'i can no longer disown spock anymore than i can disown dr mccoy' . after an unrepentant nimoy consents to appear at the opening of a new taco bell in parma, ohio, a visibly distraught shatner calls a press conference to declare, 'that's not the spock i knew'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/09/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 57 fans permalink

Sen. Obama:

"You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

Really?

So when you said that you would filibuster any bill that included telecom immunity for FISA violations in it, and then turned around and said you... wouldn't filibuster a bill that included telecom immunity for FISA violations in it, was that just... um... er... you disagreeing with yourself? I'm confused. When you directly contradict yourself on a key issue, that's, um, just us "disagree[ing] with you?"

Really?

Walks like a duck... looks like a duck... quacks like a duck... yup, it's a flip flop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 07/09/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Yes, it stinks, yes, it is cold political calculation, yes, it pisses me off and I have called and written over a dozen times.

But he is the nominee and every Democrat has a duty to the party to support him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 07/09/2008
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 18 fans permalink
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I can't believe it's you kevenseven; you the one who would rail against proposed FISA changes.

Mindless support is what Republicans do.

Be true to your convictions. That's why I choose Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 07/09/2008

"But he is the nominee and every Democrat has a duty to the party to support him"

That is just the problem. That is the same mistake the republicans made following the idiot we have now. That is exactly why things never change and the status quo continues, because of that mentality of just follow along. Sorry but the follow along mentality is no longer acceptable. The I'll say one thing during a campaign then turn around and do another and then do another once in office is not acceptable. That is exactly how we got into the mess we are in now. How many jobs need to be outsourced? How many illegals will you allow to come into the country? How many homes need to be foreclosed upon? How many American companies need to be bought out by foreign companies and governments? How many of your civil rights need to be trashed? Before you wake up and stop being a lap dog ? Exactly how many of those things need to happen before you stop? Please do tell, I am interested in knowing how far blindly following a a person or party you will go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 07/09/2008
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McCAin is major flip flopper, there is no comparison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 07/09/2008
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Obama is doing what he needs to do to win a general election. NO progressive candidate running on left issues will ever win in the general election. Grow up!!!! He will win by moving to the center in some issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 07/09/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

yeah, who needs principles anyway? meet the 'new' boss...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/09/2008
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Mr. O is not and never was "a Progressive candidate". He's always been just a tad to the left of the conservative moderates that make up the bulk of the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 07/09/2008
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Obama has always had some moderate views and stances, so this is nothing new. Yes, he is reaching out to disaffected Republican constituencies, and to independent voters, butthat doesn't qualify as a wholesale shift to the Center. It really doesn't. For instance, during the primaries, didn't Obama talk about building a Democratic Coalition that included independents and disaffected Republicans - a coalition that could push through vital legislation on a range of issues? Yes.

So if he has promoted this idea, then how are his pronouncements evidence of a "move to the center"? People need to use their brains. You can get elected President with all of the BLUE STATES and a few SWING STATES, but what kind of mandate would that provide you with? Not a very strong one. But if you actively compete in every state, and compete for every voter, then you broaden your appeal and strengthen your hand as president.

Obama is doing the smart thing. Adhering to "100% ideological purity" in a general election is not smart. In a general election, its suicidal. You have to be strong and resolute, but also pragmatic and bi-partisan.

Go Barack!!! Keep on BA-RACKin' the House!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 07/09/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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The idea that O bama was a way left liberal was the result of projection on the part of way left liberals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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So your argument is republicans like to be spied on. You obviously haven't been down south. The whole place is filled with fences adn KEEP OUT signs,

please..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 07/09/2008
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I lived in the South, and traveled extensively in the South.

And like I wrote above: Go Barack!!! Keep on BA-RACKin' the House!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 07/09/2008
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