Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

 
 

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- LillianB See Profile I'm a Fan of LillianB permalink

It's not pandering as long as he means what he is saying. Some of these "moving to the center"-stories would have been non-stories had people known more about him. I've been reading his first book, "Dreams from my father", now, and in that book (written when he was 33 and had yet not started running for any office) you can see where both his Father's Day speech and certain other positions now being referred to as "flip-flops" and pandering came from. Obama is simply telling people what he means, and have meant for a long time. That's not pandering. That's letting the public know you.

The FISA bill is another story. That is a flip-flop. But that one, he has actually defended, explaining the public why he changed his mind. I don't agree with him, but I respect him for having that opinion, and I don't think it was that easy making up his mind on it. See his own campaign's web site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 07/13/2008
- truthynesslover See Profile I'm a Fan of truthynesslover permalink

Do the democrats have the votes to over ride a presidential veto??NO! Get over it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/10/2008
- AKJM See Profile I'm a Fan of AKJM permalink

"Grow up" you can't get what you want, many are saying, "Obama is our only hope."
Not so! We thought that of the 2006 congress; remember them dancing on the stage. What a bunch of losers!
I'm not so sure that a vote for Nader will insure a McCain win, after all Republicans are as unhappy with their apparent choice.
Where is the story on Obama's promise to push Amnesty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/09/2008
- OsamaBushLadin See Profile I'm a Fan of OsamaBushLadin permalink

Man you Obama fanatics are disturbing. You rightly felt sick to your stomach when Hillary "moved to the center" and voted for the war on Iraq. However when Obama "moves to the center" with his FISA support and throws the Constitution in the shredder you stand up and do... nothing. This is as important as that vote. Who knows what future presidents will do with the unabaited ability to spy on U.S. citizens and the precedent of asking corporations to break the law with no possible repercussions. Big deal. It's sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 07/09/2008
- vsign See Profile I'm a Fan of vsign permalink

I see Obama as a cartoon character - the skinney mad dictator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg See Profile I'm a Fan of Lautenberg permalink

It's not progressive to protect our privacy. It is actually one of the core values of any free society.

Benjamin Franklin said sacrificing freedom for security is no security at all.

Cowards on the left cowards on the right. I never thought Nader would be the only voice of reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 07/09/2008
- sharonh See Profile I'm a Fan of sharonh permalink

Nader/Gonzalez--2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

OK, then vote for Nader and keep the GOP in power until all of us in middle America collapse from lack of basic and fundamental services such as good schools, lack of good healthcare and lack of adequate housing. You think it is bad now, it will only get worse. Yes, vote NAder and throw 4 more years away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 07/09/2008
- OsamaBushLadin See Profile I'm a Fan of OsamaBushLadin permalink

Really? Who's fault is that? Democrats do NOTHING to stop any of this cr@p now. Why would it be any different cause Obama is there. Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherTry permalink

OR... we could pressure our democratic leaders to find a spine so we can vote for them. Is that too much to ask?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherTry permalink

I really despise this 'I didn't move to the center, I've always been here' argument because we all remember how real democrats were begging the mainstream media to vet this candidate better so we could see the differences between him and Clinton.

But of course, the corporate-controlled media instead pumped him up like a rock star, ignored his slim record, republican-lite positions and empty-suit reputation. Now we are stuck with him when we all know that if Clinton were the presumptive nominee, we wouldn't even be discussing whether she moved or not. Hate Clinton all you want, but we can agree that we all knew during the primaries where she stood on the issues.

Obama remains a huge question mark. Question marks don't do well in elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgPYkw0X8p0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

WHy are you posting here? You sound more like a conservative republican. Then go on conservatove blogs. Obama is the best we will get and the thought of 4 more GOP years makes me want to move to another part of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherTry permalink

Guess where I live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 07/09/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1 permalink

post my comment please u know it's true....

.....and do you know that Hillary voted for the War in the first place which sealed the deal on her not becoming the nominee and us going to a dumb War and now our economy is in the crapper, gas is through the roof when before the War it was about 23 bucks a barrell, shall i go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- AnotherTry See Profile I'm a Fan of AnotherTry permalink

Obama has proven to me these last weeks beyond any doubt that he would have also voted yes on the authorization to use force, just like politcally expendient Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/09/2008
- Trollstakeyourmeds See Profile I'm a Fan of Trollstakeyourmeds permalink

Yep. He's proven that to me as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg See Profile I'm a Fan of Lautenberg permalink

Your right Barack, you have moved to the right. We will find out today how far right you have moved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

I see a lot of anti-Obama comments. SOmehow I suspect these are not and have never been Obama supporters. Obama is essentially the same. He has moved on some issues but he is essentially progressive. Well if you want to kill a progressive candidate go ahead. You'll get 4 years of a visionless, boring and catastrophic governance from a party that doesn't understand middle America. Obama is not going to be perfect nor you will agree 100%, with him but he is right now our best shot at winning the WHite House. All you progressives who like to bring him down along with the neocons, all you are doing is killing our best shot at a better America.Better environment, better healthcare, better schools and teachers, better jobs and so on. A vote for McCAin or Nader is a vote lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 07/09/2008
- Sarahjan See Profile I'm a Fan of Sarahjan permalink

eden4barack08

No. I was not hoping for saint in candidate Obama. What I was hoping for is a leader that did not treat the word "liberal" as something to run away from as it"s the foundation of modernity. Obama latest flip flops show that America is a frontier society rather than a modern society. We have America's love for guns in the face of lack of good public institutions such as publicly funded healthcare and education, dangerous obsession with patriotism and distain for liberal values, reliance on militarism rather than political discourses and dialogue in dealing with conflict. What these factors suggest this that the US is a nation that has not yet arrived at the level of cultural maturity of other modern societies.

We thought that Obama had broader grasp of what the people wanted to see in him was that he had backbone and was willing to lead rather than flip flop on issues such as FISA, Iraq and the rest. His refusal to go along with the gas tax gave some of us a false hope that Obama had a vision.
Any way, what do we know about his views on major issues ? Obama has never penned any major work in scholarly journals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

WHo says Obama has not penned any major work? And what are his two renowned books? And his Harvard Reviw articles? Obama remaiins progressive. He cannot win on an all left agenda. He has to get some support from the middle. You posters have to be realistic and help our candidate win the general election before you satr questioning his credentials. This is why the left always loses the general election

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/09/2008
- meanguy See Profile I'm a Fan of meanguy permalink

"This is why the left always loses the general election"

have you ever considered that the reason the left always loses the general election is BECAUSE it's the left?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1 permalink

.....and do you know that Hillary voted for the War in the first place which sealed the deal on her not becoming the nominee and us going to a dumb War and now our economy is in the crapper, gas is through the rough when before the War it was about 23 bucks a barrell, shall i go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/09/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1 permalink

Listen folks, you can beat yourselves in the head about this FISA thing if you want but it is useless. Sure some of you not most will not vote for Obama because of this but let's be honest this is not the top issue for most Americans or the pundits or MSM as no one is talking about it. I believe the country is split on this Bill that is the ones that actually know about it, probablay 60-40 and it doesn't out way the Economy, Energy and War. I mean come on Lou Dobbs is not even talking about this FISA thing, the self claimed #1 Independent, Mr. Constitution is not covering this story at all.

Give it a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

Exactly my thoughs. Now we have all this so called progressives criticizing Obama on the FISA issue when our country is literally falling apart and McCAIn nor NAder will ever be the answer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/09/2008
- hannabanana See Profile I'm a Fan of hannabanana permalink

Your ignorance is well on display. You obviously have no idea of the fundamental importance of the Constitution and Bill of rights to Progressives.

Go ahead and get lathered up over gas prices and the like with the rest of the idiot electorate while your Congress (Democrats and Republicans) pass law after law that undermines the core source of our freedom in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 07/09/2008
- Robbedvoter See Profile I'm a Fan of Robbedvoter permalink

One more thing - do you people know that Hillary - the one you endlessly trashed here - will vote "NO" on FISA? Just as she voted "NO" on the last money for war bill, and on the Moveon censure bill (Obama failed to vote on these two). It helps paying attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

Hillary is not running anymoe. Give it a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 07/09/2008
- Trollstakeyourmeds See Profile I'm a Fan of Trollstakeyourmeds permalink

Don't be too sure about that. There is reason why she only "suspended" her campaign. Word on the street is that she plans to go ahead and submit her name onto the convention floor. We'll see, if that happens, what type of "buyer's remorse" is out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg See Profile I'm a Fan of Lautenberg permalink

No she is voting yes. trading one shill for a worse shill doesn't solve anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 07/09/2008
- mhopgood123 See Profile I'm a Fan of mhopgood123 permalink

Obama is not worse anything. Stop trashing our candidate. If you don't like his positions vote McCAin and get more war, more chaos, more GOP crap

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/09/2008
- Deaninphilly See Profile I'm a Fan of Deaninphilly permalink

Don't you know you can't say things like that here. It fuzzies up their perfect little world the delusional have built around themselves.