Obama On Iraq Trip: "I'm There To Listen"

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GLEN JOHNSON | July 13, 2008 10:14 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., speaks during a news conference addressing the National Council of La Raza Convention in San Diego, Calif., Sunday, July 13, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

SAN DIEGO — Barack Obama mourned the death of nine U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan on Sunday, even as he said John McCain's numerous visits to the region don't leave the Republican better equipped to deal with its volatility as president.

Preparing to embark on only his second visit to Iraq, as well as his first to Afghanistan, the Democrat told reporters: "I will recall the visit he made last year in which he was surrounded by helicopters and SWAT teams and he came back and reported how safe everything was in Baghdad. And I don't think that that was indicative of what was actually happening on the ground at that time."

McCain, a Vietnam War veteran, has chided Obama for the dearth of time he has spent in the region, failing to meet with Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and not holding a congressional oversight hearing on U.S. security matters.

Asked about such criticism, Obama said: "John McCain has been in Congress 25 years, no doubt about that. If this is a longevity measure, then John McCain wins. On the other hand, before we went into Iraq, I knew the difference between Shia and Sunni."

That was a dig at the Arizona senator, who once confused the majority and minority ethnic groups in Iraq.

Obama also said that "on the big strategic issues that are at stake," there's no case where he "has been proven wrong."

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The McCain campaign pounced on the comments.

"If Barack Obama believes that visiting Iraq and meeting with commanders will not give him any new perspective, then we can only assume he's going just to smile for the cameras," said spokesman Tucker Bounds.

McCain has said that an August 2003 visit to Iraq _ just five months after U.S. forces invaded _ convinced him of the need to change strategy following the fall of Baghdad. And he has said that a December 2006 visit persuaded him to support a surge of additional U.S. forces to reduce violence and stabilize key regions.

McCain also said throughout the primary campaign he would rather lose the election over his position than lose the war _ and today argues his adherence to principle shows he puts country above himself. He has suggested Obama is adhering blindly to an antiwar position for political gain.

Obama opened his news conference with a tribute to the soldiers, who were killed in a raid by militants in eastern Kunar province, the deadliest single attack for the U.S. since June 2005. Fourteen more U.S. troops were injured.

"The main thing I want to communicate is that our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of these extraordinary heroes," Obama said. "And we need to make sure that we're providing them with every bit of support that we can."

The Illinois senator has called for redeploying U.S. forces from Iraq to Afghanistan, a point he underscored Sunday.

"Part of the job of the next president is to look at our overall strategic landscape and make certain that we are using the most precious resources we have _ which is the extraordinary young men and women in uniform _ in a way that maximizes American security, and that's not something I believe that we've done over the last several years," he said.

On Saturday, during a news conference aboard his campaign plane, Obama revealed he would be accompanied on his upcoming battlefront tour by Sens. Chuck Hagel and Jack Reed, military veterans who are often mentioned as potential vice presidential running mates.

Hagel, R-Neb., served as an Army sergeant in Vietnam and was twice wounded in 1968, earning two Purple Hearts. Reed, D-R.I., is a West Point graduate. He was an Army Ranger and paratrooper.

"They reflect, I think, a traditional bipartisan wisdom when it comes to foreign policy. Neither of them are ideologues but try to get the facts right and make a determination about what's best for U.S. interests _ and they're good guys," Obama said.

Obama plans to visit Europe as well, and he told reporters that he hoped to resolve concerns expressed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel about using Brandenburg Gate as a backdrop for a speech in Berlin. Merkel questioned the propriety of a foreign political figure using such a historic backdrop as that former Communist demarkation point to deliver a campaign speech.

"I want to make sure that my message is heard as opposed to creating a controversy," Obama said. "So, you know, our goal is just for me to lay out how I think about the next administration's role in rebuilding a trans-Atlantic alliance, so I don't want the venue to be a distraction. What I want to do is just work with folks on the ground to find someplace that's appropriate."

Obama said that while removing U.S. forces from Iraq won't be "perfectly neat," he said a call from Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for a withdrawal timetable supports his position more than the longer-term presence favored by McCain or his fellow Republican, President Bush.

"John McCain and George Bush both said that if Iraq, as a sovereign government, stated that it was time for us to start withdrawing our troops, then they would respect the wishes of that sovereign government," Obama said.

 
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I would like to praise McCain for changing his stance on Iraq for political gain. Six months ago he said that setting a timetable for withdraw would embolden our enemies and admit defeat. Now he has set a timetable for withdraw (2013). So now that the Republican agrees with Obama, everyone can feel free to vote for the person who was right from the start - Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 07/14/2008

Reed has definitely been a dark horse in the Veep-stakes, even though he's got an amazing resume. Maybe because he's from tiny state RI. Good guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 07/14/2008

"the difference between Shia and Sunni.". Really....which one is he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/14/2008

If that is a reference to Obama and you are insinuating because his father was a Muslim and his Step father was a muslim. And that he only even if you believe the spin was a student at a Muslim School was for a year as an adolescent, then I would say neither.

One father was not from Iraq or even the middle east. That is like saying the only christian denominations are Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. This means that you thought the comment was clever and you failed to be even more clever and actually do a little research. I am not a catholic and I went to a Catholic school for 6 years. Nor am I an Eastern Orthodox though I did attend church for a few years there. I also went to a Kingdom Hall with my grandparents for 10 years, while attending the Catholic school.

Just stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/14/2008

You've been all over HuffPost saying ridiculous things. We know what you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/14/2008

Sorry - but your comment is not original, funny, true or sarcastic. It does, however, highlight your ignorance, so if that was your intention - congratulations - you have succeeded!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/14/2008

okay, is it reed who is assigned to make sure obama keeps wearing his flag pin and hagel who carries the teleprompter, or is it the other way around?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 07/14/2008

At least O-bama knows whats going on rather than McLame --who keeps pretending that his strengths are in foreign policy but haven't even got a clue on who is who in the middle east.

Lieberman is McLame's walking "Middle East for Dummies" book. If it weren't for Lieberman, McLame would be left out to try compared to what O-bama knows about the middle east.

Now go and take your rightwing blabber away from here. If you can't discuss things rationally, don't spew garbage like you know something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 07/14/2008

Nah - I think those tasks belong to Lieberman when he is escorting McCain around. Just like your candidate of choice, seems you are getting a bit confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 07/14/2008

I hope Barack will meet with the regular troops and not just the big shots. He needs to know that so many of them are sick of being there and want this war to end.
Also, I worry for him over there. I'm not religious, but as Aretha and Burt Bacharach said,"I say a little prayer for you."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/14/2008

I am with you 100%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 07/14/2008
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Uh... why is McCain ALWAYS connected to his service, regardless of context? Look at this line in the article above....

"McCain, a Vietnam War veteran, has chided Obama...."

Ugh. The context is so thin for that reminder it makes my brain hurt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 07/13/2008

I like when they use his vietnam war service. it may tell you he knows how to wage war better than Obama. But it does not tell anyone why we should, when we should, where we should, can we, and the process of going to war.

We went to war for what?
9/11

We went to war when?
After we were sure we could sneak in legislation stateside to control the war so vietnam isn't repeated.

We went to war where?
Wherever the Al-qaeda wasn't and for trumped up reasons now known to be grossly incorrect.

The process?
No formal declaration of war.

Can we do this?
Yes we can waterboard. Yes we can degrade. Yes we can hold in secret prisons. Civilians are targets. Financial audits? Cronyism. Armor who needs that? Nah we don't need that many troops. Draft you crazy? Tax cuts during war? Exit strategy? Why leave? What is a shia or a sunni? Or a Kurd, Naqshbandi, Sufi, Wahabi, (lotsa factions in Islam).

All this would have been better if a Vietnam Vet was president over ANYTHING else. War is more than soldiering, but can not be accomplished without good soldiering instincts. But war is also more than killing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/14/2008

Obama better hurry up and go there may not be an iraq war to listen to generals about if the stories about iraq not wanting to do a deal with America can be believed.

or maybe they're just biding their time to deal with a more reasonable president who wants to get our troops out of iraq .... hmmm... I wonder ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 07/13/2008

I never liked the idea of Hillary being VP until now . . . let's not go old man for this election - I don't think I could handle one matched up with Obama - it flat lines him . . . I was totally against Hillary until recently hearing all of these new prospects - - BLAH!! BLAH!! BLAH!!

The only drag on Hillary is Bill - maybe this would be a good time to finally divorce him . . . . yeah!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/13/2008

If she'd done that in 2000, I might have voted for her in the primary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/14/2008

But Hillary will still be Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 07/14/2008


HRC will fire up the conservatives and evangelicals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/14/2008

Jack Reed is the perfect counterpoint to Chuck Hagel for this trip. Reed would also be the perfect running mate for Obama. If you haven't read up on Reed, you're missing out: http://www.projo.com/news/content/Jack_Reed_04-27-08_0L9NUCK_v69.200a44c.html Hope to see him on the ticket!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 07/13/2008
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I REALLY wish we had other choices for president than Obama and McCain. One a nutcase, the other sputtering and showing his inexperience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 07/13/2008

Well if your so smart why don't you run for president? Why don't you do something rather than be cynical?

Honestly, I think O-bama knows what his doing. Nothing wrong with him going to the middle east.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 07/14/2008

I REALLY wish you had a better perspective and a it more knowledge about the candidates. Then you would see that Obama is our best hope hands down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 07/14/2008

I hope Obama uses the trip to learn more than pose for photo ops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/13/2008

well, he DOES need to come up with some more material for speeches...fire up that teleprompter, the obamessiah is coming to town

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 07/14/2008

Yeah. Unlike Barabush. He will just wage war and then fly a plane to a carrier and land saying Missions accomplished...what was that mission again?

King George kicking down the doors of america since 1766.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/14/2008

'the obamamessiah'?????????????

You sure know how to show off your maturity and intellect!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/14/2008

we will be there until the iraqis have the guts to throw us out

listen close to what obama is saying now about leaving iraq

its imperialism folks pure and simple

capitalism to imperialism to wars for profits to economic decline to bye bye middle class

all while the middle class went shopping till they dropped

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/13/2008
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Wouldn't it be a kick if O was received with flowers and chocolates from cheering Iraqis?

Of course, Faux News et al would hype it all the wrong way, but what a total repudiation of the GOPers and their policies it would really be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 07/13/2008

Now THAT would be hilarious!

Iraqis holding up signs like "THANKS USA!! ELECT BARACK TODAY!"

but yea, hannity and co would have a field day calling barack a closet muslim...morons!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 07/13/2008
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ROFLMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/13/2008
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Now that is something I would pay to see.
Obama greeted as a liberator, with dancing and flowers.
I'd love to be the fly on the walls of bush, cheney, runsfeld and rice.
Powell would probably be the only one secretly pleased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/14/2008
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Reed sounds like a good choice EXCEPT that he is a weak and ineffectual surrogate on the campaign trail.

Wesley Clark, on the other hand, has considerable strengths beyond what Reed does and is unafraid as a surrogate.

Of course, considering how the Democrats let Clark "twist slowly in the wind" as soon as the Republicans went after him (and have kept him from the public stage ever since), maybe a weak, ineffectual surrogate is what they want.

Really, we need to get Clark back, front and center. He is one of the few Democrats who seems to have some teeth.

If anyone needs an "attack dog" as surrogate it is Obama who really just doesn't seem to have the stomach for it (but who I believe will be a great president).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/13/2008
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Well, this article in the Times of London claims that he might end up doing a lot more than listening, and none of it good---it says he is walking into a trap, here's the link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4322521.ece

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 07/13/2008
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That article, while informative, is based on the assumption that O would keep Betrayus in his position. I don't see that happening. Betrayus has thrown his allegiance to the neocons and I doubt O will keep him on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/13/2008

But didn't they all just vote to promote him, except for 2 holdouts? I don't know, I think he'll be staying, but I'm sure Barack will take his words with a grain of salt, as he should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 07/13/2008

First comment... General P has done everything his CIC has asked him to do... he has not betrayed anyone and has tried to complete his mission, as defined by Bush. He will give an honest appraisal of the ground situation and he will give an honest appraisal of what would happen if he had a change in mission. In fact, I am not sure what Bush's mission was over there, other than to get their oil. Well, that has backfired now. Also, General P is now in ADM Fallon's position so he has to look at the entire map, not just Iraq. Please don't degrade the fine job that this man has done by calling him a betrayer.
SECOND:
"I guess the question is, if indeed he"s going to Iraq and nothing that he sees will change or impact his decision-making on this, then why is he going?" asked Brian Rogers, a McCain campaign spokesman.

"If it"s just to make a political point, then it represents the kind of cynical politics that the American people are pretty sick and tired of."

SPIN SPIN SPIN from the right.... yeesh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 07/13/2008
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That's naive and wishful thinking. Obama's benefactor Rezko negotiated building a power plant in Iraq, and his best Iraqi friend was appointed by L. Paul Breemer to be the minister of electricity in 2003. Obama knows this former minister, has received campaign money from him, and was the person the minister's family contacted when he was jailed in Baghdad for stealing $650 million in reconstruction aid. Oh, yeah, Rezko co-hosted a $4 million fundraiser for Bush in 2003. Obama is up to his neck in the Bush Circle. Where do you think he got the money to launch his presidential campaign? Thank god the corporate media has been so cooperative and gone along with the whole liberal bit. http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 07/13/2008

Um, the Betrayus thing wasn't and isn't helpful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 07/14/2008
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On the other hand, if the Iraqi people want us to leave, the American people want us to leave, and Gen. Petraeus will be working for the next commander-in-chief... then Gen. Petraeus's job will be to figure out how to get us out of Iraq without the house of cards collapsing too fast.

That's the basic premise behind "being as careful getting out as we were careless getting in".

I don't see Sen. Obama reversing course on leaving Iraq-- But I wouldn't be surprised if it took 24-30 months to extract all combat operations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 07/13/2008
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