Are Obama And McCain Ebbing Or Flowing?

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July 15, 2008 09:15 PM

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who would you vote for? Obama crushed Bush 54-34.

Noting that tracking polls generally show just a 2 to 4 point edge for Obama over John McCain, Castellanos said the most obvious conclusion is that "McCain is not Bush." But more importantly, Castellanos argued, "It means McCain is not running against the Obama who won Iowa, but [against] the more polarizing Democrat [who] Hillary Clinton was beating like a drum in Texas, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc."

In the current political environment, according to Castellanos, "where the GOP is in disgrace, the President is unpopular, gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon, housing prices are sinking, and the economy is in the toilet," Obama's slim lead "means he is not an acceptable Democrat. . . . Obama is in big trouble."

Rasmussen himself is not prepared to draw such dramatic conclusions, but he does think the data send a clear warning to the Obama camp:

"The basic question of this race is whether Obama can pass a certain threshold and be deemed 'acceptable' by enough people to move into the White House. Alex [Castellanos] says Obama is not acceptable. I say we don't know yet....For the first time in a long time, what the candidates and campaigns do in the fall will determine the winner."

While Castellanos is a Republican and Rasmussen is a conservative, a number of Democrats are voicing concerns about the quality of the Obama campaign.

Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign, said the Obama campaign has had a "lousy start to the general election. Although the political environment continues to favor Obama and the Democrats, the candidate is still not fully on four cylinders."

Brazile is also critical of the McCain campaign, voicing what is becoming an increasingly widely held view that the two candidates are both failing to take full advantage of the ineptitude of the other. "McCain cannot seem to find a good team to help highlight all of his personal advantages. He must figure out how to distance himself from Bush without alienating the conservative base he needs to win in November," Brazile said.

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A key Democratic player in the 2004 contest, who requested anonymity, voiced a similar "pox on both your houses" assessment of the prospective nominees:

"The Obama campaign has become everything that caused the Clinton campaign to falter -- arrogance, 'no way we can get beat by that guy' mentality -- play it safe -- hold on to the lead mentality. With all that McCain is up against - the Bush years, a crumbling Republican Party -- and 15 months of 'Obama is amazing,' [McCain] should not be within single digits of Obama - particularly since he has run one of the worst campaigns in decades -- but he is still within striking distance."

Bob Beckel, who managed Walter F. Mondale's 1984 campaign, argues that Obama has lost his edge because he has started to follow the advice of political consultants - like Beckel himself:

"I finally got it. While I was holding Obama to a typical political standard, his supporters' standard, forged in the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire, was more elevated and exacting. To them, the 'Obama of Winter' had been a calling, while the [current] 'Obama of Summer' was causing an uncomfortable disconnect....My sense is that much of the reaction can be laid at the feet of the growing number of political advisers surrounding him. Political consultants, especially at the presidential level, are a cautious breed. Their instinct is to dumb down the candidates positions to the lowest common denominator to avoid offending the most number of voters."

Dan Gerstein, who ran Senator Joe Lieberman's 2006 Connecticut re-election campaign, argued that both Obama and McCain face huge obstacles, but that Obama has done a better job climbing over them:

"Obama has to quickly convince the millions of swing voters who will decide this race that he is not a Black Panther or Muslim stalking horse and that he is qualified to be commander in chief, after three-plus years in the U.S. Senate and no military experience. . . .McCain has to carry the twin albatrosses of a hugely unpopular and divisive president and a hugely unpopular and divisive shooting war; he must manage the ever-present tensions between his maverick record/tendencies and the demands of his base, and as a result spend critical energy every day just in preventing a right-wing revolt; and on top of all that, he must confront doubts about his age from across the political spectrum, and particularly among older voters who should be one of his most target-rich demos for poaching would-be Obama supporters."

In that context, Gerstein argued, "it seems no contest that Obama has run a better and tighter campaign. . . .a clear, consistent compelling message" promoted by a "very disciplined and effective" team. Conversely, Gerstein contends, McCain has failed to develop a rationale for his campaign "above and beyond his biography -- so far you could best describe his message as 'I'm old and white'."

Castellanos sharply disputed this assessment of the Republican candidate. "If McCain is doing so poorly, why is he doing so well?," Castellanos asked. "Could McCain have done a better job using his money and time this spring? Perhaps. but if you had asked the McCain folks back in March if they would be happy with a campaign that had them essentially tied with Obama with only a little more than 100 days to go, they would have asked, 'where do we sign?'"

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
 
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In comparison to McCain, Obama is actually running a much better campaign. One of the reasons Obama is not doing as well as pollsters think he should is because the media is always giving McCain a free pass when it comes to frequent gaffes, and lies from McCain himself. He refers to a country that has not existed for 15 years and can't tell the difference between Shiias and Sunnis yet the media repeatedly claims that McCain has more foreign policy experience. The MSM continues to claim that the surge has worked even though it didn't achieve it's main purpose of bringing political reconciliation between Iraq's political parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/16/2008
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Spot on.

The fact that the analysts either don't see this or don't find the bias to be causing more than a negligible sway is honestly incompetent.

A lot of the nation gets its "facts" from newspeople's opinions, and a lot of others buy into the mass hysteria e-mails, with something like 30% generally admitting they won't vote for Obama because of race/nation/religion and refusing to accept any source that tells thm the truth about those things becuase their beliefs find the "other" storyline more in-lin with their own bigotry. Even larger percentages disagree with most positions McCain holds and say they woudln't vote for anyone who pushed those policis--but they say they're voting for McCain, becuase they don't KNOW those are his policies.

The media is, frankly, failing to do its job, serving as a campaign ad for McCain and then ignoring (or exulting in; it's possible they're more self-aware and -honest than they appear) their own culpability in creating a bias toward McCain while wondering why Obama's not doing so well as they projected he should be doing.

The MSM, in particlar, is like the gossip who wonders why nobody's his/her friend anymore when they've all found out s/he talks nastily about them and all their secrets to everyone else. Yet the gossip can't understand how they all would have gotten that impression (never equating his/her "harmless" chatty cruelty with such hurtful and scandalous things).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/17/2008

There are lies, damn lies and statistics....

O is not ebbing or flowing...

O is SURGING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/16/2008

I would love to turn on the television and hear about something besides Obama and McCain. This 24 hour a day coverage for two years is unreal. It's like being in an indoctrination camp whenever you try to watch the news---same old stuff, same talking heads, same old rhetoric. Geezus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/16/2008
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Funny how everyone now has advice for the candidate no one thought would be here back in January.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/16/2008

DONNA BRAZILE knew Obama would be there, BRAZILE and DEAN had the fix in for Obama from the start. They don't like the Clintons and thought Obama could get the Church Voters and win the White House for the DEMS. This was written on NOV. 5, 2004, a couples after KERRY LOST. "WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS" How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/16/2008

It's inevitable that there will be adjustments but:

Barack has effectively created unity moments with the beleaguered Clinton forces;

He has established commander in chief creds with speeches and meetings including the one today with security experts to bring bio and cyber security into the mix;

There is a disconnect between the Obama Campaign and the DNC which needs to be resolved. Obama's culture is no drama and no needless expense and focus on the goal of winning. So far so good.

This is mid-July. The weeks before the Convention Barack will be travelling in Europe and the Middle East, narrowing his choices for a running mate and fending off whatever mischief unreconstructed Clinton forces still have in store.

We know now that the major Democratic negativity toward Barack is based on ignorance of the candidate and assent to lies of the sort the New Yorker presented in exaggerated form. This is gold. It means that most probably the Campaign will continue introducing Barack to the American people, a strategy that has succeeded in the past.

Barack is running on full power. If those who criticize could see the fanning out of his organization, the fifty state emphasis as a reality and be fully aware of the sheer multiplicity of Obama daily actions, as compared to the sparse and halting efforts of his opponent, they might revise their judgments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 07/16/2008

It's no mystery why Obama hasn't run away with this election. Kerry got 88% of Democrats and Bush 93% of Republicans in 2004. Right now, Obama is supported by 76% of Democrats, McCain by 83% of Republicans in the latest CBS News/NYT Poll 7/7 - 7/14. There are around 10% more Democrats than Republicans, so that gives Obama a narrow 4% lead right now in the Pollster.com rolling average.

It's a lot easier for Republicans to pretend that McCain is somehow "different" than Bush, even while he supports almost all Bush's old policies. That way they don't have to confront the fact that the very CONSERVATIVE POLICIES of war and tax cuts, combined with deregulation have ruined the country for 8 years.

Obama still needs to get about another 10% of his own party to win. He has the convention and debates in October to do it. If he can do it, he'll win by at least 4-5% which will give him around 330 electoral votes, a bigger margin than Bush had in 2004 and a pretty comfortable edge.

Meanwhile Independents. Obama leads by three among them. He doesn't need to win Independents, as long as he splits them with McCain and gets up to at least 86% of Democrats.

CBS/NYT Poll:
Obama 45%
McCain 39%
Undecided 12%
TOTAL: Obama +6

Democrats: Obama 76% McCain 10% Undecided 11%

Republicans: Obama: 9% McCain: 83% Undecided: 6%

Independents: Obama: 38% McCain: 35% Undecided: 19%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/16/2008
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Neither of these two, nor any of their colleagues, will do what is needed for this country. No one is willing to make the decisions required to break our dependence on oil. let much of the world settle its own problems, or break the hold of the military-industrial complex on America.
Polls mean nothing; either way we lose and continue on our path to the third world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/16/2008
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Hoplessness is really a dangerous thing. Please don't cut your wrists or anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 07/16/2008

MrRex
You've spoken like a true 3rd. party candidate. 'Which one are you," Bob Barr or the Green party.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 07/16/2008

Ebbing and flowing...really...it's the middle of July and the election is in November...so now...that's right now,... does it matter in any practical way, given all the unknown things that can happen, to spend any more tha a passing thought at this speculation???
I think not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/16/2008

BTW, just for the record, Hillary Clinton did not beat Obama like a drum in Texas. She was slated to win Texas, Pennsylvania and Ohio by huge margins. The article has a lot of factual errors but who cares? As long as we repeat them long enough, sooner or later enough people will come to believe them and that, after all, is what the article is all about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/16/2008

The most shocking fact in this story is that 34% of the people polled would vote for BUSH??!! over Obama?

Even though Bush's every act has been a failure? Even though he has brought us nothing but trouble and failure both politically and economically? Even though he's the emptiest of suits? They would vote **again** for that loser before they would vote for Obama? Wow. This country is in worse trouble than I ever imagined!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/16/2008


Right; one THIRD of us are at least one of the following:

1) racist against (half) blacks

2) willing to vote against their own personal interests

3) absolutely uninformed (probably believing they are informed - by the MSM)

4) in the "top 3%"

5) blinded by hate against anything remotely "liberal"

6) blinded by patriotism; unwilling to look objectively at their own "side"

Well... I think that sums it up well enough. Many people in the 1/3rd fit into more than one of the 6 above categories, I think.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/16/2008
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Obama = Bush
(see him praying on the cover of Newsweek)
McCain = Bush
Therefore,
Obama = McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/16/2008

If praying made you Bush, then the Pope = Bush, Jesse Jackson = Bush, Al Sharpton = Bush, Nancy Pelosi = Bush, etc., etc. That is nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/16/2008

Obama = Carter

McCain = Bush, Sr.

Obama/McCain = Nothing special........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2008
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Black folks pray too numbnuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 07/16/2008

On thing that the Rassmussen poll does, in fact, show is the ineffectiveness of the angle that the democrats have chosen to negatively define and caricature McCain. "McSame - the third Bush term" is not working - precisely because it swims against the tide of everything that the casual observer knows or remembers about McCain. It tries, in just a few short months, to reverse 15 years of McCain's meticulously crafted media image - that he's a tough, straight talking maverick who is willing to put country over partisan politics and politcal expediency. Now what does the casual observer know or remember about McCain? First - that he ran AGAINST Bush in 2000, was smeared by the Rove attack machine. Second - his famous "agents of intolerance" comment (they don't know he later took it back). Third - that he's so "moderate" politically that John Kerry floated the idea of running a unity ticket with him in 2004 and that arch conservatives who love Bush, loathe McCain.
"McSame" as a caricature is not working and it's easy to see why. Fortunately, Phil Gramm with his "whiners" commentary has provided the perfect opportunity to re-cast McCain and it's already working - McCain as out of touch, grumpy old man (like the Dana Carvey SNL character) - a person who may mean well, but his ideas are so old fashioned they won't work in the modern world, someone who is stuck in the era when Czechoslovakia was still a country. Keep pounding

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/16/2008
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Maybe if the M S M would stop giving Mc S A M E a pass on all his misstatements and gaffes the polls would reflect how clueless he his.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/16/2008
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To all Obama supporters,

Forget about articles like these. Instead of worrying about the polls, gear up to help Obama win. If you haven't made a contribution lately, do it now and every month until the election. Take the ammunication away from the news media, who are writing that he is losing steam. He's doing what he should be doing - making the transition from primaries to general election strategy. We need to help him. We put Obama over the top for the nomination and we can do it for the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 07/16/2008

C'mon, Obama should have a 20 point lead across the board. After two terms of Bush/Cheney and all the failure and corruption?

The Repubs haven't even set in on Obama yet., either. Another Dem POTUS collapse is right on schedule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 07/16/2008
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I love this part about how the Repubs haven't attacked Obama.

Love that. Actually, I think the Repubs have fired all their slanderous crap and found it wanting. They just did it via Hillary's team.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 07/16/2008

Yeah, it's all Hillary's fault... You just keep telling yourself that and when Obama goes belly up on election day you can keep blaming her. Unfortunately Obama has demonstrated that just like McCain, he'll say anything to get elected. No difference, no change, no real hope for change. Once Hillary was gone and he had to take a stand he took the safe stand, he says what ever he needs to say. That's why enthusiasm has evaporated. That's why the money isn't coming in. I voted for Hillary but she can pay her own bills. I'm not giving Obama a cent until he show me what his plan is. McCain isn't Bush but Obama is sure sounding a lot like McCain but with out real experience. That's what is going to bust Obama's balloon, but you keep on blaming Hillary, the republicans love it when you do, they hate and fear her too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/16/2008

This is funny.
Something for everyone.
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 07/16/2008

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/16/2008

Obama is black.
His middle name is "Hussein".
And he is still beating the Republican Candidate.
I believe it takes one of the most gifted, and inspiring politicians of a generation (perhaps a lifetime) to overcome the first two challenges, and still hold a comfortable lead in the Electoral College.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 07/16/2008

"I believe it takes..." a totally compliant media floating around in a crowded tank with tingles running up their collective legs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 07/16/2008

What drugs are you on? I don't see the lead. There isn't one. You are so confident that he'll win that you're making up your own statistics to suit your desires. Good luck with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/16/2008
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There is a consistent lead, whether you see it or not. McCain's name is not in front and it never will be. The fact that he is still competitive at all is disturbing, but not fatal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/16/2008

Try the drug of truth! And there is none so blind as those who will not see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/16/2008

Try oogleing 538.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/16/2008

Check the RealClearPolitics (conservative) site. Of the last 29 polls, by some 20 different pollsters, 29 show an Obama lead. Things can change, we don't know what will happen if Bush starts or encourages war with Iran, etc. But meanwhile the Obama lead is absolutely unmistakable and statistically significant. The odds of 29 polls in a row coming up for one candidate by chance are about 4 in a billion.
What are you talking about when you say you 'don't see' a lead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 07/16/2008

I'm just not worried. Fast forward to August. Obama is going to deliver the best speech of his life, in A STADIUM no less, in front of 75,000 people, and millions at home. 2 weeks later, the GOP convention hits the air..on Monday night, they have no choice but to trot out the sitting Vice President to address the convention and the nation. Starting to get the picture? Then, it's Dubbya's turn to remind everyone of how things have gone in the last 8 years. Then, who ever McCain picks as VP on Wednesday, which will probably be the best speech of the bunch, because whoever it is will have the least amount of baggage. And finally the grand finale snoozefest that is John McCain. Yeah, good luck with that. Obama gets a good 20 point bump (at least) in August. Mark it down!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 07/16/2008

D'oh! Make that 'McCain'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/16/2008

After having watched both Obama's and McCaine's speeches yesterday, my first (biased) impression was that Obama appears to have an incredible natural talent for this, and McCaine was obviously just reading his prepared speech. That being said, I still don't think this will make that much difference, insofar as most people have already decided which candidate to endorse, and will not even watch or pay attention to the other candidate. So, I guess it will be up to the undecided voters or the newly registered voters to make the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/16/2008

Perception is all. I saw the opposite. Obama was on the teleprompter. His speech as usual was big and vague. McCain was spontaneous and specific.

Capture Bin Laden? Oh please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/16/2008

If only, If only, this country and its hard working class of people could thrive off "good speach making". I am so sorry America, we have been duped again .... Neither candidate will solve the real issues we are facing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 07/16/2008
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My favorite and most obvious Republican tactic, discourage the voter at all costs, promote apathy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/16/2008

It's not too late for the supers to fix this situation. Just like FDR in '32...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 07/16/2008

Are you a psychic? You should be very worried. Your confidence is misplaced and verging on arrogance. That's the problem with you Obamites, you think it's a slam dunk and it never is. You think everyone agrees with you but don't bother to find out others really feel. They don't agree with you. Obama doesn't have a significant lead and it isn't a slam dunk. Get real, act smart. Don't take anything for granted. It's foolish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 07/16/2008

RIGHT ON

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/16/2008
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