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Obama's Multi-Million Dollar Question: What About The Hillraiser Holdouts?

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July 15, 2008 08:11 AM



Before Hillary Clinton suspended her presidential campaign, the chattering classes were doing what they do best: speculating, specifically about her 18 million voters. Once the New York Democrat bowed out, would her fiercest female supporters "get in line" and support Barack Obama? This question, and others like it, were breathlessly repeated -- as though the simple act of repetition could will a conflict, and a great story, into being.

Barely one month after Clinton's exit from the race, however, the power of the women's vote to stir up trouble for Democrats has become a decidedly less certain affair. While Salon's Rebecca Traister has become an invaluable source for anyone who wants to understand the mixed feelings that still persist among some Clinton supporters, Barack Obama has opened up a double-digit lead over John McCain among women (a trend that started the very week after Clinton brought her campaign to a close). That advantage is sticking, at least according to a new Quinnipiac poll released Tuesday, which showed Obama with a 14-point lead over McCain among female voters.

But even if the process of healing is well underway in the Democratic Party at large, there is less clarity about the status of the "unity project" when it comes to the smaller circle of high-dollar Democratic donors -- many of whom originally backed Clinton. Now, as John McCain begins posting his best-ever financial numbers while the Obama campaign appears to be conceding that small, internet donations can't power them all the way to November 4, the absence of some key "Hillraisers" from the current Obama fundraising effort has become conspicuous. Even a few such holdouts, should they stay on the sidelines for the duration of the election, could add up to a loss of millions of dollars for the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (which is a bit cash-poor, itself).

One former Hillraiser who is now putting his Rolodex to work for Obama said part of the divide in high-dollar Democratic donor circles comes down to gender. "What these [women] are doing is confusing their legitimate anger over sexism that occurred in this campaign -- and particularly in the media -- with the Obama [campaign]," he told The Huffington Post. "I think, as a man, I can't really speak to them about it, even though I feel the same anger about it. I was off the wall about [the sexism directed Clinton's way] during the campaign."

The names of some Hillraiser holdouts will not come as a surprise to those who follow the Democratic money chase. Susie Tompkins Buell, Lynn Forester and Jill Iscol were each cited in background interviews as the key financial workhorses who have yet to start pulling for Obama. In separate conversations with The Huffington Post, the three major donors each described their respective sources of discontent, and talked about what, if anything, can still be done to change their minds.

One area agreement among them, however, rang out loud and clear: the vice presidency should go to Clinton. (Indeed, Iscol already made news earlier this week when she related details of a phone conversation with Obama, in which he appeared to include Clinton on his VP shortlist, to the LA Times.)

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"The magic solution in general is the vice presidency. It heals all the wounds immediately," Buell said.

"The smartest thing that [Obama] could do is to make Hillary the vice presidential candidate," Forester agreed.

For her part, Iscol poured water on the notion that women could be similarly moved by the presence of another female candidate on the ticket, such as Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. "Women aren't fungible," she said. "You don't just exchange one for the other."

But even if Clinton is not Obama's running mate, the three former Hillraisers all said the presumptive nominee should make an effort to prop up the Clintons' reputation, particularly that of the former president, which emerged from primary season tarred not only by accusations of racism, but by the sense that his political legacy could easily be discarded on the way to a "new" politics.

"It was a total outrage that the leadership of the party allowed Bill Clinton to be cast as a racist. It was such an injustice -- so stupid and so wrong and so offensive," Forester said. "If he wants to unite the party and bring the true centrists back ... Obama better worry about Bill Clinton's legacy. ... There's a lot he can do at the convention to prove his respect for both Clintons. That would be very, very welcome. If that were done, it would be inevitable that millions of people would support Obama with time, money and votes."

One thing Obama should avoid doing now however, when courting Clinton's big donors, is trying to smooth over hurt feelings among female Democrats by addressing sexism dating from the primaries. "If he was going to [give a speech on misogyny or gender], he should have done it at the time when that was really happening," Buell said. "I think if Barack Obama made a speech right now about gender bias it would be seen as extremely political."

Another lingering resentment for some Hillraiser holdouts is the issue of Clinton's campaign debt. Beyond the practical fiduciary matters and legal wrangling, the whole issue appears to them as a matter of character and tradition, in which the winner of a party primary should help the loser tie up loose ends. "If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, it wouldn't have taken two weeks to talk about Barack Obama's debt," Forester said.

But while bad feelings persist, Clinton campaign national finance co-chair Yashar Hedayat doesn't think they are destined to last forever. Describing an early Obama-Clinton "come together" session at Washington D.C.'s Mayflower hotel, Hedayat noted that Obama said he could not expect the Hillraisers' "energy and passion" to be transferred to his campaign. "He can have that overnight," Hedayat said -- referring not only to fundraising prowess, but the Clinton grassroots energy -- so long as Obama addresses the fundraisers' concerns about how the former first family has been treated.

Indeed, for the Hillraisers now on the sidelines, it's become a personal affair, even as their former leader urges them to throw all their effort behind the Democratic nominee.

"I haven't had, like, a thought out process I'm following here," Buell said. "I'm just following my heart. Right now, I'm not attracted to anything Obama's doing. There's nothing that's making me feel better about him. ... I've been on these calls with Hillary, where she is very enthusiastically. earnestly trying to convince people that it's time to go in the other direction. I'm not, I can't be. I'm not ready to. ... Obviously, I'm not gonna vote for John McCain. It depends how hard I'm gonna work for [Obama]."

 
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This is a late post, but I have to say, these Hillraisers (such a macho name!) need to be forgiven and forgotten unti lthey grow up. They need time to lick their wounds and come full circle to the understanding that it's time to move on and get this nation on the right track. They are married to subversive attitudes that seem to me completely unfounded; attitudes that scream of their 'fear of change' from the status quo, and carry little positive energy for the party.

I have one thing to say. 'It will all be OK in the end, but who wants to wait until the end. Let's pull together now, and take up this petty fight born in our inflated egos tomorrow (i.e. after November).'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 07/22/2008
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It gives me no pleasure to say this but, what a bunch of self-involved crybabies! :-(

I remember the entire time between PA and IN/NC that I was going to do everything I could to make sure a dem won in Nov. I consciously and deliberately softened my perception of her everyday just in case she started a route with PA. So if Senator Clinton had managed to turn lopsided victories to close out the primaries, you better believe I'd be supporting and donating to her. I even give a small token to Hillary's campaign last month. These people ought to grow up. It's been six weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 07/21/2008

We will remember, we who support Obama. Hillary's future career depends on Obama's success. If he falls, Hillary is never going anywhere. She won't even be re-elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/21/2008

I think that it is an ego thing with the HillRaiser Holdouts. They originally thought that it was a sure thing that they would have a buddy, someone who knows them on a first name basis as President. They would be able to visit the White House, attend White House functions, and more importantly tell all of their friends about it. Hillary's nomination and election were sure things. They probably had bought their clothes for the inauguration Balls. Now all of their hopes are dashed.

It is not a matter of a desire to better America, as there truly is little difference between the politics of Hillary and Obama, especially when compared with those of McCain. Rather, it is an ego thing that they can no longer claim that they not only helped to elect the POTUS but also know her personally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 07/20/2008
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I like your assumptions, it feels right, and it makes me feel sorry for the entire human race. These Hillwhiners could choose to be part of this magnificent prospect of change, but instead choose be selfish, withholding and spiteful. It is truly beyond my comprehension, and speaks volumes about why our country is in the mess it is in today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 07/22/2008

Lynn Forester is Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild..child bride of a dottering old billionaire with outsourcing investments. This is the fourth try to get this fact on screen! Walls clearly has some agenda in not letting it get out there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 07/17/2008

Walls..you're a fake and a fraud..and too cowardly to let the truth out there..I see I am not the only one you are afraid of! Not to worry..last time I ever read anything you "write"..it's junk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 07/17/2008

So, Walls...what's your gripe with the truth about "Hillraiser" Lynn Forester..aka Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, child bride to a dottering old billionaire (with heavy investments in Indian outsourcing, like her friend Hillary)..getting out there? Three times I've posted and three times you've killed it. I said nothing but what is documented fact, verifiable in dozens and dozens of Indian and American press reports. Perhaps you're too lazy to look it up..or is she your aunt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/17/2008

The problem with the Hillraisers is that are so uncouth. My friend emailed Ricki Lieberman (another post on Huff) about his views on Obama and he has been bombarded with HATE emails ever since. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff they said to him. They even THREATENED HIM with:

"DON'T F*CK WITH CRISTI OR THE REST OF US...

I'm printing out all these e-mails. Gosh, where to begin. Are these coming from the psycho ward? One of these people just called Michelle Obama a "Bitter Black Bitch?" And these people say they are Democrats? Feminists? Progressives?

Here's my theory. I think it's aliases. It's probably the FoxNews "Punk Friday" group sending out all this garbage. But in any event, I'm printing it all out, saving it all, and will share it with everyone I know who is interested in what's really going on with the Clinton-supporters."

This is only one of the emails. Horrific. He felt that one had even threatened his life. He is absolutely appalled. That "Hellraiser" post has the worse of the Hillary supporters out in full bloom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/17/2008

I cannot believe the demands being made on this blog. Unbelievable!
Hillary was the person to give a talk on sexism, not Obama. He delivered a speech on racism, but it was not his responsibility to make a "special" speech on sexism . . . not during the primaries and not now. Furthermore, nothing he does will satisfy these angry people. That is the bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 07/17/2008

you are so right, NOTHING will satisfy them, so better to just ignore them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/17/2008

Hey Annie , whats the definition of Presumptive ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/17/2008

I think it is the responsibility of the presumptive nominees to take a stand on any "ism". Whoever becomes President is elected to serve ALL of the American people; not solely African-Americans, women, men, gays, straights...but all of us. If one is going to address only the "ism" that affects onself, it's no better than Bush speaking for the rights of oil men! Same goes for the DNC and the RNC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 07/20/2008

I really need health care that my family can afford. It is a life and dealth issue for my family. I always thought this election should be about health care for Americans. Hillary could get that for us. This election should never have been about an expression against "whitey" or against Hillary and Bill.

Hillary is like Cherry Ames - the Army Nurce. She'll get us health care or die trying. She is my kind of gal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 07/16/2008

I opt for a country that works for all of us. Get off your fanny and solve your health care solutions like a grownup. I don't want the government to have any role in my healthcare options.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008

I do !
My granddaughter just had emergency surgery . The hosp bill for overnite was $23,000 . They give a discount if we'd pay in 10 days , so we borrowed money and paid them . Since then we've recd. bills for $3500 from all over and they refuse to lower their bills .She makes $800 a month , but noone cares if you work .You live in America and you get sick , just go ahead and die .
I personally believe we do need a better system .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/16/2008

Go to India or something... and pay less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/16/2008

Funny you should mention India..Hillary and Bill are well-entrenched there..particularly among the outsourcing companies that are shutting down American jobs to Americans! Ask Hillary why she and Bill haven't invested even a quarter as much in this country, as they have in India?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/17/2008
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Funny, since she has been on the big pharma lobbyists' dole for the last 8 years, she hasn't done anything with the healthcare issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/16/2008

The problem with health care is two primary reason.

1. The AMA. This a commie socialist organization that controls the supply of Doctors. They restrict the number of medical school that can be opened in this country and they also decide on how many doctors from abroad can come into this country to work. They control supply tottally. They have a nice racket going here.

If you can import fruit pickers and computer programmers, you can import doctors as well. Just define the quality of the US exams that they need to pass.. Keep those standards high. If anyone who can pass those standards should be able to work here as doctors.

Open many medical schools in this country so more Americans can qualify to become doctors.

.just like the Pilots union don't control the FAA and don't allow doctors to control the AMA. We need an independent oversight .

2. The Pharma corporation needs to have some sort of regulation as well

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 07/16/2008
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We disagree as to the reasons. The problem with health care in the U.S. has been the policy struggles between the right and the left, one side seeing the benefit (necessity, really) for government involvement, and the other side seeing the only role of government (in health care or anything) is to help Big Business bilk the people.

Health care problems began in earnest during the Reagan administration, with earlier pivotal decisions made during Nixon and Carter administrations, when conservatives got a good foothold into fulfilling their dreams of dismantling "The Great Society". Instead of building on previous gains for the people, Republicans then embarked on, with vigor, pulling the rug out from under the people of America. More on this later.

What keeps more Americans from going to medical school is affordability. Those who can afford it don't think it's a good enough investment -- You don't get rich being a doctor. Costs are generally what prevents Americans from going to colleges and universities in all fields of study. What are you going to do to get and keep the costs down, affordable, and what are you going to do to make the compensation attractive enough?

Something to think about - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/19/AR2006071901380_pf.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 07/16/2008

Now sweet Carly:

You say the AMA is a commie socialist organization. Which is it? Communist? Or Socialist.
Words matter. Unless you just toss them around for fun.

Every major group or business controls the number of visas that can be issued in the industry. Thats why Bill Gates sits in congressional testimony weeping because he needs more 12 B1 visas so he can fire high paid American citizens ti hire low paid Pakis or Indians.

The doctors will ALWAYS control the AMA. Guess why. Oh c'mon guess why. It's the doctors' organization, and they own it.

But the main thing is that you haven't a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 07/17/2008
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This is how you talk respectfully to voters who believe something that you don't believe -- You ask questions:

Dear vsign,

What makes you think that she can get you health care?

Sincerely,

Beninn

The ball is now in vsign's court, and a dialogue, hopefully, has begun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/16/2008

Because H is smart and wants to improve health care and O would renege on what he says...just like he flip flopped on Iraq. on FISA and the wall of seperation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 07/16/2008

I really do wish that these holdouts would consider the differences between McCain and Obama.

If they're looking for women's rights, the ban on abortion and birth control should be enough to make them think about what they're doing.

We finally have an intellectual running for President...not a blithering idiot. The entire world is hoping that this country doesn't elect another war monger and gives them someone who is ready to sit down, bring all entities together and come to reasonable resolutions.

It's amazing that this country has been dumbed-down by this administration and like it that way.

We're talking about a Constitutional Lawyer and Professor, not a business school grad who earned his C average because of his name....or a Viet Nam war hero who insists he knows how to win a war when he graduated 3rd from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/16/2008

But McCain fought in Vietnam and didn't we lose there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/16/2008

He knew how to win but he forgot to mention it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/16/2008

O is not a "Professor." He is a "Senior Lecturer" -- despite the baloney the University of Chicago flacks are handing out. A Professor -- upper-case P Professor, that is -- is somebody who has tenure. Obama did not have that.

As for McCain, maybe he's not so hot, but he is the lesser of evils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 07/16/2008

Yeah,,after all, what does the U of Chicago know about it, anyway..they only hired him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/17/2008

And he was only a community organizer two years between Columbia U and Harvard.....but he sure got a lot of mileage out of those two years. Most of what I heard him say in his speeches was related to being a community organizer. His resume' is very slim, but two years? Just what are his qualifications......they have been distorted, exagerated......and agrandized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/19/2008
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"We finally have an intellectual running for President", "We're talking about a Constitutional Lawyer"

Bill Kristol's an intellectual. Richard Perle's an intellectual. Ann Coulter's a "Constitutional Lawyer" who clerked for a US Supreme Court Justice. Are you implying that "intellectual" & "Constitutional" are synonymous with "liberal"?

"If they're [voters] are looking for women's rights, the ban on abortion and birth control should be enough to make them think about what they're doing."

And yet since becoming the presumptive nominee, O b a m a has backtracked on, excuse me, "refined" all of his positions, from Constitutionally settled questions such as a woman's right to an abortion by restricting access to late term abortion for mental health reasons (& to be perfectly honest, he was never a stalwart on a woman's right to choose) & capitol punishment for non-murder crimes, tearing down the wall between church and state by expanding the faith-based programs with taxpayer dollars; to trade (NAFTA is now nifty), & merit pay for teachers. Then there's his "I WILL end the war within 15/16/18 months of taking office" which morphed into, "I INTEND to" (famous last weasel words, intend), & qualifying which troops ("combat", and not other military & government personnel, or the more than 100,000 private contractor troops currently in Iraq), and so much more. O b a m a is the 21st century's Woodrow Wilson, who ran on a pledge of NO WAR, and one month after he took office, the US entered WWI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/16/2008

After reading this post, I can't imagine what your definition of an intellectual is. C'mon, Coulter?, Perle? and Kristol?? They fit the definition of Neocon much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 07/16/2008

And every last one of them are one step from insanity and prejudiced as all heck. You haven't said a thing and don't listen either, I see. Your mind has warped the facts just like every other repug. You really need to reread some information to get your talking points correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/17/2008

N ader voters working diligently to reelect the M c B ush team to the WH, out of spite for H.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/16/2008

Obama should ignore the Hilliary holdouts - IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE. If Hilliary really had 18 million supporters they would all send one dollar each and clear her debt instantly.
Most of the people voting for Hilliary in the primary - were Republicans. And they could care less
about her mis-managed debt. In their view, it would be great for her to stiff all those small vendors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 07/16/2008

You had the same idea I had with the one buck donations. What I and everyone else keep forgetting is your point about the Republicans voting for her. You are absolutely correct. They weren't really going to vote for her anyway, so that reduces her millions by half I would bet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 07/16/2008

Apparently it's not really about the money. HRC is sitting on a bundle. It's more about manipulating and extorting the BO campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/16/2008

So far, I've counted 3. Susie Tompkins Buell, Lynn Forester and Jill Iscol - they ran to the phone as far as they could to announce that BO spoke to them. Guess they feel important now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 07/16/2008
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I saw two on FNC yesterday, calling themselves TheRealDemocrats. Funny thing is the interviewer (can't remember his name), on Fox no less, called them out on that saying " so you ladies want to disrupt the Democratic convention and get McCain elected, but you call yourselves therealdemocrats? isn't that an oxymoron?"
They're really being pathetic now, it's sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/16/2008

"Lynn Forester" is "Lady" Lynn Forester de Rothschild, once-upon-a-time child bride to another dottering old billionaire (in Craig Ferguson's words.."Remiiiind you of anyone??). The Clintons and the de Rothschilds are deepley entrenched in India and Indian outsourcing ventures. (Hillary's championing of H1B visas and all the contributions and fees are well-documented..just google the Indian press) These gals may call themselves Dems, but they quack like a Repug, and walk like a Repug...sooooo, is it any surprise that they're stirring the pot on Faux, like this? They should dig into their designer purses and write Hill a check..if that's REALLY what this is all about! For myself..one of the working folks who doesn't have a designer purse..we are too busy making ends meet and getting a real Dem into the WH this year, to worry about "poor" Hill's self-inflicted debt. I've NO respect for any woman who would threaten to vote for McMisogynist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/17/2008

I think Obama should ignore the Hillary holdouts too. Because there's really nothing he can do that will bring us back into camp. He may as well expend his energy where it will do the most good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/16/2008
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The H-holdouts' value is in their fundraising ability.

O began campaigning saying, "We"re not going to take PAC money. We"re not taking special interest money. We"re not taking lobbyist money. We are going to be funded by the grassroots¦ we"re going to set up a grassroots organization, and all across the country people have responded like never before". Clever and duplicitous.

O said small donations would enable him to say "No" if a large donor wanted something in return for that donation. We presumed that meant he would be beholden to us small donors. How could that be? How would that work? Our vote? We vote based on what he says, & before he became the presumptive nominee, his speeches were general, no details, ambiguous. Everyone (left, right, center) thought he was promising their ideology, the left especially: "I WILL END THE WAR IN IRAQ, conditionally, and those conditions are in fine print and seldom make it into sound bytes".

He still needs money, & the left has shut him off. They caught on, with his "refining". While his speech implies liberal, his record is as a conservative Democrat. He's just another politician, and now that the internet gravy train has shut down for him, he needs those bundlers, & also conservative voters to replace the left's votes he's not going to be getting. H R C was doing the same thing, except lying instead of implying.

It's business as usual in Washington and America. The people, once again, got

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 07/16/2008

He's got an additional 52 million, so what has miss 18 million supporters have or McSame? Nada, as usual. I don't see narry a one of those 18 million supporting her as she needs to be supported. Your talking points are old and rusty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 07/17/2008

- ' IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE"

You think.............at your peril

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 07/19/2008

GAGME = Gays Always Give Money Easily

We are no longer going to sit back and let the PUMAs and the blacks and the others in the Democratic party ignore us. Not one more dime from any GAGME men until we feel that our voices are heard and our issues are fully represented! You say "unity" and we say GAGME!

Neither Hillary nor Barack supported the agend of Gay men. DESPITE the fact that we have always been one of the largest groups to donate to the Democratic party over many many cycles! Four years ago I personally gave $2500 to Kerry and he just turned his back to our issues.

WE ARE ..... GAGME! Gay Men Give Money Easily! And this year, we are going to keep our money until yu give us EVERYTHING we want or we will show up at every single campaign event in drag and sit in the front row! We will surround Hillary and pick on her outfit and her hairdo, and giggle and point! We'll corner Barack and kiss him!

(Satire)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 07/16/2008

Funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/16/2008

I hope that wasn't "funny" as in "peculiar." Homophobic remark if I ever heard one! When will it ever end? It would be nice if someone at least would acknowledge our anger and pain.

And Barney Frank for VP or not a SINGLE DIME! Not one single Gay man has been even considered for the VP slot!

Not a for membering my family we few weeks go nationally televised speech entirely about homophobia! Hillary and Barack avoid us when the cameras are around and this is not homophobia?!

GOTCHA!!!

Either you beg and plead for our money and do it in a very public way so that EVERYONE knows or it will be clear that you are just using us Gay men for decorating, and color coordination and our money!

Homophobia is just as important as sexism and racism. So just go all Left Wing on gay on the issues or gnorewith lots of cameras and reporters around - OR we will we'll put on an Academy Award winning performance !

Don't think they'll pay attention to us? Are we being rational? Maybe. Irrational.. Defintely not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/16/2008

Message to the holdouts; if you are not there when you are needed, there will be no reason for you to stick around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 07/16/2008
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