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First Posted: 07-16-08 03:19 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-08 05:12 AM

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Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working against Obama's candidacy. Ricki Lieberman is another matter.

Also a former Clinton "Hillraiser" (meaning she raised more than $100,000 for the campaign), Lieberman is keeping her own private hope alive with a daily email blast to supporters, entitled "Electability Watch," which features a cascade of negative articles and other items about Obama as a means to argue that superdelegates should change their minds in Denver and crown Clinton the nominee instead. A tipster who described them as "disgusting" sent a batch of recent "Electability Watch" emails to the Huffington Post. Their authenticity was confirmed in a phone conversation with Ms. Lieberman, who said her only desire is to "see a Democratic president in the White House" next year.

Any Democrat, perhaps, except Barack Obama -- or "BO aka Bush 3," as Lieberman repeatedly refers to him. The emails sometimes go out of their way to parrot some of the most hardcore attacks on Obama, including comments comparing Obama's planned nomination speech to Nazi-era rallies in Germany. In one email, she quotes messages from apparent Holocaust survivors:

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.


Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."

Other emails from Lieberman cite Obama's "alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan," and urge people to contact the German embassy to protest "Obama's grandiose, inappropriate hope" to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.

In an interview, Lieberman said it is incumbent upon the party's superdelegates to take another cold, hard look at which candidate will be more electable in the fall. Given that neither Obama nor Clinton managed to win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, a switch from Obama to Clinton is a technical possibility that nevertheless seems highly improbable.

A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

Still, Lieberman presses on each and every day with her emails, signing off each one with an exhortation for her audience to "GO GO GO!!!" in their efforts to contact and persuade superdelegates. While Lieberman would not reveal the number of people on her list, she bragged in one email that her organization is "beginning to reach SDs [superdelegates] thousands of times a week."

Lieberman's emails can also be unintentionally funny. In a recent edition, she advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). "And now they do not have to contribute anymore," Lieberman wrote. "Some may have even gone back to funding McCain whose fundraising has gotten better and better. SIGH... Any takers for this theory???"

In her effort to be comprehensive, Lieberman once included two mutually exclusive views on one hot story, apparently because both positions reflected poorly on Obama. During the recent Jesse Jackson controversy -- in which the civil rights leader was caught expressing his desire to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" in a hot-mic moment before a television appearance -- Lieberman's email suggested in back to back items that the entire incident was engineered by Jackson and Obama as a cynical bit of propaganda and that the incident was a true reflection of a growing displeasure among key black leaders with his candidacy.

Asked whether her relentless tearing down of Obama could potentially damage her oft-stated goal of seeing a Democratic president, Lieberman refused to concede the point. Ultimately, she described Obama as "unfit to be president."

So which is it? Does Lieberman want to see a Democratic president no matter what, or does she think it's important to advance the idea of Obama as unfit to lead?

"Well, it's both," she said. "Basically, my focus is on having her become the nominee."

What does Lieberman make of Clinton's campaigning on behalf of Obama?

"Well, look. A lot of people can say a lot of things and they do."

Does she share with some other Hillraisers a desire to see Clinton become Obama's running mate?

"I don't even think about it," adding that it's unseemly to speculate on such things before a nominee is officially crowned. As for the former Clinton supporters who are now backing Obama, Lieberman said "people are making different decisions, and I honor all of them."

But she certainly doesn't seem to honor Obama in her emails. Asked how she can justify being so dismissive of a fellow Democrat, she explained that her rhetorical fire stems from her certainty that Clinton would be 20 points ahead of McCain right now if she were the presumptive nominee, saying: "He's just not sealing the deal with the voters."

Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
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RJII
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08:14 AM on 07/21/2008
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

tired of hearing about Hillary Clinton.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

are we still talking about her failed campaign and debt????????????????????????????
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10:53 PM on 07/20/2008
I don't like Hillary or Bill Clinton, but I think Obama's best chance to be elected is Hillary as V.P. The problem of Bill is manageable. And McCain will pick Romney. This is painful to admit, but not as painful as a supreme court of 7 conservatives
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
07:01 PM on 07/20/2008
I think that it is an ego thing with the Anti-Obama HillRaisers. They originally thought that it was a sure thing that they would have a buddy, someone who knows them on a first name basis as President. They would be able to visit the White House, attend White House functions, and more importantly tell all of their friends about it. Hillary's nomination and election were sure things. They probably had bought their clothes for the inauguration Balls. Now all of their hopes are dashed.

It is not a matter of a desire to better America, as there truly is little difference between the politics of Hillary and Obama, especially when compared with those of McCain. Rather, it is an ego thing that they can no longer claim that they not only helped to elect the POTUS but also know her personally.

Hillary needs to personally call all of those holdouts and tell them to get onboard the Obama bandwagon. If she doesn't, she is to blame should Obama lose.
05:56 PM on 07/21/2008
" Mildmannered"Listen to what you said. "get onboard the bandwagon..." (get on the Titanic really) You literally sound like a robot as most Obamabats are. Obama has only himself to blame if he loses. I think he feels it's below himself to directly approach Hillary's supporters to try to win them over. I , as a Democrat , know I am NOT voting for Obama. He is not qualified and has shown qualities of someone with NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) as Charles Krauthammer so eloquently stated in his Opinion-"The Audacity of Vanity". He nailed Obama perfectly. I feel a certain power knowing I'm able to look past my party and refuse to vote for someone who they are trying to ram in as the nominee. It's funny, I'm to the point where I can't stand to look at and hear Obama speak. It's the exact feeling I've had for the past 8 years under Bush.
02:40 AM on 07/19/2008
hilliary has herself to blame for the ongoing saga of her becoming the nominee.
fact: she did not win obama did.
the very reason hilliary suspended her campaign is to garner so called " unsolicited " support of women who are sympathetic to her ordeal of being a woman scorned. by bill and now this man obama. i think the scenerio is very clear- she has the support of women who hate men for various reasons.
they seem to owe their allegiance to hilliary clinton and her agenda, and not to what is best for our country ;these women are so dogmatic- as is clinton in getting what they want, they can't and won't listen to logic or reason. her cult of followers is scary to say the least.
hilliary is pretending to back obama for the sake of party unity- that is far from her true intentions; which is to usurp him come fall, it does not matter how it's done, she has made that clear. hilliary is not to be trusted, and obama is not the only target of the clintons there are others.
these people are not her supporters they are her followers, and will go to extremes to get her in office.race and gender should never have come into the campaign, but hilliary used both when she began to get desperate. the fact is we have a democratic nominee. they should move on.
10:11 PM on 07/18/2008
Lieberman isn't alone. Check out any of the PUMA-networked sites and you will find a buzzing hive of roiling grievances, GOP propaganda, flaky conspiracy theories and synchronized mechanical chorus of "my-vote-is-my-own-I-will-note-be-bullied" blood oaths and "Liberty or Death" declarations. That, and an almost unlimited supply HRC "devotional" images and photos of scary-angry kittens.

Apparently, they believe that the most powerful and media-savvy Democratic politician in America was somehow mugged and tied to the railroad tracks by the media and the DNC. HRC is a victim, and by extension they are ALL victims...and, dammit, SOMEONE is going to pay.

Mostly, they seem to be preoccupied with a) fuming righteously at the "Stalinist" repression they perceive in damn near everything, including junk mail, b) admiring themselves for their gosh-darned adamantine refusal to be co-opted or reasoned with, c) burning up other people's fax machines, d) plotting to TP the Invesco stadium during O's acceptance speech and e) designing clever T-shirts they can wear to annoy their friends.

It's kind of like the Boston Tea Party, if all the patriots had just dressed up, stayed home and smoked some of that fine Virginia hemp. The Bowling League of the Vanities.
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Freesia2
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11:22 PM on 07/18/2008
Well that was one-stop shopping of the whole shebang. I laughed out loud. Thank you for that.

By the way, you mention " 'Stalinist' repression they perceive in damn near everything, including junk mail"......Yesterday, I kid you not, I was looking for the JibJab "Time For Some Campaignin'" video as the official site wouldn't load for me. I found it on a site that came with a page long critique of how JibJab had treated Hillary unfairly. Yes, even JibJab is part of the conspiracy. Whoever the Roger Ebert was there, apparently they thought that Obama had ridden off scott free on his unicorn. Two Thumbs down.
03:07 PM on 07/18/2008
You know, as someone who's very disappointed with Obama's performance on the recent FISA debacle, I have to say that I find the tactics of the Clinton "supporters" troubling. With friends like these...

Obama is a man, a human, and a politician. No more, and no less. He's still LIGHT years better than McCain -- he's stood by his pledge to get us out of Iraq within 16 months. He would appoint at worst centrist, and at best moderately progressive candidates to federal judicial positions.

Yes, he's NOT perfect. Yes, he's flip flopped -- but McCain has too, and far worse, a hundred times over. But comparing him to Hitler?

Are you SERIOUS?
02:42 PM on 07/18/2008
We understand that Hillary has class and must distance her self from anyone who disgree with the DNC. This is expected. Even though we wish she wouldn't , it must be this way. This is why her Husband is telling Obama he will campaign with him so Hillary's grassroots don't ALL leave her in the dust and don't see her hand in hand with Obama. The grassroot can never be united with the DNC it is too late. Not even with her on the ticket. They are getting upset with her just showing up with him, I doubt that they would vote for her on the ticket. It is best for Mrs. Clinton to distance herself from Mr. Obama and stay in the shadows. The DNC is broken, there can never be a fix. Mr. Obama will never see the whitehouse, because the grassroots are majority white and hispanic, and conversative christians, and will Never vote for this man. The issue with LS, and the issue with his birth is still in question, the issue of his ties, the issue of his terrioist friends, the issues of many issues, have made him unelectable- the Koolaid drink in January 08.
09:41 PM on 07/18/2008
Glad you got that off your chest. Here's a cookie and a Magic Pony.
02:06 PM on 07/18/2008
Time to attack the PUMA's. Face it, there are many Democrats, including myself, who do not support Barack Obama. What is witness is that we're all Democrats as long as we all support Obama, but for those that do not, then you are Republican trolls, or uninformed, traitors, and a myriad of other insulting words.

I will not bow or be coerced to vote for someone that has already been shown to be untrustworthy before he has even been nominated at the convention. Flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop... get out of the way. Here comes Mr. Obama.
09:42 PM on 07/18/2008
No one is coercing you to do anything. Vote any way you want. Nobody cares. This is America. Geez.
08:59 AM on 07/18/2008
How many times do we have to say it. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EITHER OF THE CANDIDATES.

It is about the corrupt DNC leadership and corrupt nominating process, the unfair reflection of votes cast, the pure thuggery on the part of Obama supporters (I know all about it, I was booed and called a racist right on the steps to my polling place for wearing a Hillary button)

We will press on even if Hillary herself comes out and denouces us. If she chooses to be on the side of tyranny, then that is her choice.
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11:40 AM on 07/18/2008
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dawlishgal
12:19 PM on 07/18/2008
Let me put it this way. Although I was never rude to Hillary supporters, it did cross my mind that even if her supporters weren't overt racists, it was clear that the Clintons' racist comments were not sufficiently offputting to their supporters that these remarks would cause them to not vote for her.

She did say, "hardworking Americans, WHITE Americans," and they did conflate being black with their euphemism "unelectable." That her supporters either failed to notice or didn't care did not escape MY attention.

Besides that, the nomination process was the same as it has always been, and states who jumped the primary-date line were sanctioned (or else all states would jump the line). Hillary's campaign staff was just as aware of the process as the staffs of the other candidates, and--if they weren't--they ought to have been.

The nominating process--no matter how much you want it to be in retrospect--is not just about direct voting and counting votes. It is about each state choosing how to apportion its own allotment of delegates. Some choose primaries; others choose caucuses. For Clinton to pretend that this system was calculated to hurt her candidacy and for her to inflame her supporters is further evidence of how undesirable she was as a candidate.
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Freesia2
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10:59 PM on 07/17/2008
Legacy is a big issue with the Clintons. To paraphrase Joe Biden, anytime they speak, out comes a noun, a verb and "our legacy". If their legacy truly is of value to them, they need to get out ahead of this.

Another poster, when presented with the idea that Hillary does not even support them in this, said "We-do-not-care!". Rather bizarre thing for a supporter to say. So, if you stole her the nomination, what makes you think she'd take it? You don't care about her wishes, why should she care about yours?

It seems Hillary's work and reputation is being co-opted by a bunch of people who are mispresenting her; taking action in her name. On her behalf.

Maybe Hillary needs to call a press conference (if she truly isn't behind this) and beam her face and voice into the homes, or lairs, of the Pumas, Liebermans et al saying firmly "You don't speak for me. I reject. I denounce. I've worked too hard to have my name and reputation used this way. If you persist, then I would remind you of something you seem to have forgotten. I am an attorney. I am a very good one. I know about Defamation of Character and slander. And you haven't seen me throw a kitchen sink til you've seen me throw one through a courtroom. "

Her "supporters" are disrepecting her. I don't imagine she takes kindly to that. I'd be surprised to hear she does.
02:14 PM on 07/18/2008
"Another poster, when presented with the idea that Hillary does not even support them in this, said "We-do-not-care!". Rather bizarre thing for a supporter to say."

No it's not bizarre at all.

That's because we are "supporters." We are not "blind followers"
06:37 PM on 07/18/2008
Once again you are missing the point. This is about DNC not Hillary. Please think before you speak. You do not know what she is thinking and neither do I. This is the DNC and Dean.
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Freesia2
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10:18 PM on 07/18/2008
"Please think before you speak. "

*crickets*




*more crickets*
08:36 PM on 07/17/2008
Rickie Lieberman has first amendment rights to say what she believes in order to save the country from a candidate whose resume is the size of a postage stamp. Hillary Clinton has rights to do what she feels is necessary to save a party she has spent a lifetime defending and working for. We, who support her for president, have the right to do whatever we feel is best for the country. The Democratic Party has no right to disenfranchise voters in order to award a candidate who wasn't even on the ballot, delegates from MI. in order to enable his nomination.
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dawlishgal
12:33 PM on 07/18/2008
Yup, and we have the right to not vote in 2012 for anybody whose supporters' bad behavior(cultivated and inflamed by her) caused the legitimately selected Democratic Party candidate to lose in 2008,

And we do have a right to regard those people who are merely excercising their rights of free speech to be selfish, manipulative, and destructive if their recalcitrance causes us to get another 4 or even 8 years of incompentent Republican rule. You know why? Because WE have the right of FREE JUDGMENT!

When has Clinton spent any time at all defending the party? The Clintons failed to campaign with any sincerity for either Gore or Kerry (and his bad behavior probably helped cost Gore the election).. It was as though they were keeping the seat warm for her and were hoping for Bush victories.

..Did Bill have the welfare of the Party in mind when he unzipped his pants in the oval office? Did Hillary have it mind when she lied to defend him? Seems to me that he was behaving like a spoiled teenager, and she was protecting her own political power, and the welfare of the party be damned. Same with the way they sneaked through NAFTA after promising not to in their campaign.

We who voted twice for the Clintons deserved more respect for our votes than the way they behaved and the way they disrespect of the power we gave them.
06:50 PM on 07/18/2008
Mi and Fl was just something Dean= and Donna = did to give this election to Obama. The Democratic party is so corrupt not a Dimes different in both partys. So I will vote for McCain because he voted against the Dick Cheney energy bill.
08:08 PM on 07/17/2008
I think it is disgusting that so much money is being spent on this election.
They profess to help the poor and then spend MILLIONS trying to get elected.

If we blew money like this we would have to pay our own debts...not go begging people for
hard earned money to pay off squandered money. How about the public funds...not enough for them....?

Take some of that money and put it where the poor people are and quit trying so hard to BUY the votes
by excessive spending and tooting your horns.

If people think things will magically change Jan 21,2009, they will be unpleasantly surprised.....
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07:53 PM on 07/17/2008
I looked at the hillarysupportersforMcCain website andit looks a lot like the talking pointst by right wingers. The one I find very offensive is …. “3. Senator Obama downplays and disavows his Muslim origins and schooling. Despite the Muslim religion representing 3% of the US, and a large percentage of the citizens of the world, the Obama campaign calls attempts to identify Senator Obama as a Muslim as "ludicrous, and a "smear", and that is incredibly disrespectful to Muslims. While not likely a practicing Muslim, Senator Obama was born into the Muslim religion, and needs to provide full disclosure to the American People about his Muslim upbringing to open up a dialog about how having a Muslim US president affects US relations with the rest of the world, positive or negative.”

I personally had 12 years of Catholic education, does that automatically make me a Catholic. No, I came from a Methodist family. Now as an adult I don’t believe in any type of organized religion. So according to these statements, now as an adult one can not reject the religious beliefs of their families and embrace an another.

If you don’t believe in Obama’s ideas fine if you truly think HRC is far more electable. How about forming another party and convince her to run in your new party. Why not do this instead of this other crap. Because you come off as whiney ,sour grape, sore losers, you sound like republican wolves in sheep’s clothing.
09:02 PM on 07/17/2008
I agree with you. If one were born to an atheist, for instance....would they automatically be atheist? Of course not. These people are dingbats.
09:39 PM on 07/17/2008
Great comment - I agree with you 100%!

There is no honor in knowingly spreading lies. In a perfect world, the lies would come back to haunt those spreading them. But I am an optimistic old hippie who still believes that good will triumph over evil and they will reap what they have sown.
06:29 PM on 07/17/2008
Funny how everybody likes free speech until they don't. There is nothing wrong with a Democrat, a Republican, a Libertarian, a Greenie, a Puma, or a Cub Scout not supporting Obama. The massive hysteria here is strange and there is something a little unsettling about it. I don't know who Leiberman is but she is certainly entitled to her opinion without being assaulted. I know a lot of people who agree with her. And lots who don't. That's why American politics is so fascinating...and so much fun.
10:24 PM on 07/17/2008
I would agrue the issue is not free speech but slander and liable. She can say what ever but spreading lies in a presidental campaign is not free speech. Further, to target other dems and try to upstage the DNC for nomination of the presumptive party candidate goes far beyond mere speech. She is not good to the dems at the least. She is anti-dem at worse
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Freesia2
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01:08 AM on 07/18/2008
Lying, mispresenting and using tragedies like the Holocaust to aid a smear is not practicing free speech, nor is it fascinating or fun.

What it is, is wrong.
04:59 PM on 07/18/2008
Nonsense. Stating one's view as one sees it IS free speech. The fact that some people don't agree and would put a stop to it if they could is precisely why free speech as a concept must be prottected at all costs. Including at cost of one's personal comfort or taste.

What is it about freedom that Obama fans don't understand? Is your hero so fragile? Or just your faith in him?

*****A
06:05 PM on 07/17/2008
This party is divided because we who oppose Senator Obama's campaign are rejecting it at our most basic level. And there can be no unity when the objection is so intrinsic.

Where some might see hope and change, we see Madison Avenue marketing. Where some see youth and ambition, we see inexperience and arrogance. Where some see a chance for a better tomorrow, we see the same old dirty politics that have always contaminated this republic.

It's easy to blame Mr. Obama, but I suppose it's only natural to get swept along by the manipulators in this party's power grab. You start to believe your own PR and soon you don't notice that somewhere along the line, everything you might have once stood for is road kill behind a careening bus.

And so I applaud Ricki Lieberman and anyone who stands in public dissent to the hijacking of this nomination process. We will demand a fair and open convention. If our elected and appointed officials are in opposition to our beliefs, it's incumbent upon us to try and change this or break from those political ties.

You don't have to like it, but you'll have to accept it sooner or later.
09:06 PM on 07/17/2008
It doesn't appear that you and your candidate are on the same page. She wants to distance herself....you all need to get a clue.
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02:55 AM on 07/18/2008
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