Clinton Distances Herself From Anti-Obama Hillraiser

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Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working against Obama's candidacy. Ricki Lieberman is another matter.

Also a former Clinton "Hillraiser" (meaning she raised more than $100,000 for the campaign), Lieberman is keeping her own private hope alive with a daily email blast to supporters, entitled "Electability Watch," which features a cascade of negative articles and other items about Obama as a means to argue that superdelegates should change their minds in Denver and crown Clinton the nominee instead. A tipster who described them as "disgusting" sent a batch of recent "Electability Watch" emails to the Huffington Post. Their authenticity was confirmed in a phone conversation with Ms. Lieberman, who said her only desire is to "see a Democratic president in the White House" next year.

Any Democrat, perhaps, except Barack Obama -- or "BO aka Bush 3," as Lieberman repeatedly refers to him. The emails sometimes go out of their way to parrot some of the most hardcore attacks on Obama, including comments comparing Obama's planned nomination speech to Nazi-era rallies in Germany. In one email, she quotes messages from apparent Holocaust survivors:

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.


Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."

Other emails from Lieberman cite Obama's "alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan," and urge people to contact the German embassy to protest "Obama's grandiose, inappropriate hope" to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.

In an interview, Lieberman said it is incumbent upon the party's superdelegates to take another cold, hard look at which candidate will be more electable in the fall. Given that neither Obama nor Clinton managed to win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, a switch from Obama to Clinton is a technical possibility that nevertheless seems highly improbable.

A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

Still, Lieberman presses on each and every day with her emails, signing off each one with an exhortation for her audience to "GO GO GO!!!" in their efforts to contact and persuade superdelegates. While Lieberman would not reveal the number of people on her list, she bragged in one email that her organization is "beginning to reach SDs [superdelegates] thousands of times a week."

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Lieberman's emails can also be unintentionally funny. In a recent edition, she advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). "And now they do not have to contribute anymore," Lieberman wrote. "Some may have even gone back to funding McCain whose fundraising has gotten better and better. SIGH... Any takers for this theory???"

In her effort to be comprehensive, Lieberman once included two mutually exclusive views on one hot story, apparently because both positions reflected poorly on Obama. During the recent Jesse Jackson controversy -- in which the civil rights leader was caught expressing his desire to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" in a hot-mic moment before a television appearance -- Lieberman's email suggested in back to back items that the entire incident was engineered by Jackson and Obama as a cynical bit of propaganda and that the incident was a true reflection of a growing displeasure among key black leaders with his candidacy.

Asked whether her relentless tearing down of Obama could potentially damage her oft-stated goal of seeing a Democratic president, Lieberman refused to concede the point. Ultimately, she described Obama as "unfit to be president."

So which is it? Does Lieberman want to see a Democratic president no matter what, or does she think it's important to advance the idea of Obama as unfit to lead?

"Well, it's both," she said. "Basically, my focus is on having her become the nominee."

What does Lieberman make of Clinton's campaigning on behalf of Obama?

"Well, look. A lot of people can say a lot of things and they do."

Does she share with some other Hillraisers a desire to see Clinton become Obama's running mate?

"I don't even think about it," adding that it's unseemly to speculate on such things before a nominee is officially crowned. As for the former Clinton supporters who are now backing Obama, Lieberman said "people are making different decisions, and I honor all of them."

But she certainly doesn't seem to honor Obama in her emails. Asked how she can justify being so dismissive of a fellow Democrat, she explained that her rhetorical fire stems from her certainty that Clinton would be 20 points ahead of McCain right now if she were the presumptive nominee, saying: "He's just not sealing the deal with the voters."

Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
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Something to remember amidst the hysterical reporting about these "movements" is that Hillary Clinton's delegates to the Democratic National Convention aren't "Hillary-ites" - they are *Democrats*. They no more want a rancorous and divisive convention than do Obama delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

That's true but you have so sick perverted hillary-ites out there that are steaming mad that she lost and will do anything within their power to steal the nomination at the convention. Don't think they are many and widely spread. They will cause chaos and divisiveness because that's what they are good at doing. But it's going to backfire on them and they will LOSE AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/17/2008

Arent you the same person who warned that there would be unimaginable divisiveness if Hillary won at the convention? Some one here did...

If anyone is stealing the nomination it is Obama. He and his minions at teh DNC - Brazille, Dean, etc. maneuvered from November 2004 to get Obama on the ballot. And he had only been a state senator when all this began. Since when do we push for a local politician to become president of the US?

The fix has been in since 2004. But don't you worry your pretty little head about that.

bless your heart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 07/17/2008

"Lieberman .. advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). And now they do not have to contribute anymore,"

Obama had his second best fundraising total in June: $52M
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/17/obama_raises_52_million_in_jun.html?hpid=topnews

This small donor has almost reached the goal of contributing the maximum $2300 (small donor style) to Obama and when the general election campaign season begins in August, plans to contribute another $2300 (or as near that as possible). So much for theories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 07/17/2008
- ike39 I'm a Fan of ike39 2 fans permalink

Rikki Lieberman is a troll for John McCain. Hillary Clinton should forcefully tell this individual to back off -- Now! If any Clinton supporter moves into the McCain camp they are not Democrats. McCain is no backer of the right to choose or any other issue important to women. The same goes for the attempt by McCain surrogate Carly Fiorina to entice Clinton supporters into voting for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 07/17/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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This is the type of thing that made it impossible for me to ever vote for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 07/17/2008

Obama raised $53 million in June.. Does he need the Hillraiser/Hellraiser gang? Let Lady Lynn Forrester-Rothschild and her friends keep their money.
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/obama-wins

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 07/17/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

"A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort..."

This is not Clinton "distancing" herself. If the only denial is "implicit" from some unnamed "spokesperson", Ricki Lieberman is bashing Obama with the Bill and Hillary's full support.

With such a weak denial, it's probably Hillary's mailing list on Hillary's internet connection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 07/17/2008
- Roose I'm a Fan of Roose 10 fans permalink

Clinton created these creeps and now she has to live with the consequences. She should have quit when she knew there was no way mathematically she could win the nomination fair and square.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/17/2008
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"She should have quit when she knew there was no way mathematically she could win the nomination"

Like back in February, when Obama won 11 straight contests and put real distance between himself and Clinton. She knew at that point that she couldn't win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 07/17/2008

She should have quit when she knew there was no way mathematically she could win the nomination fair and square.
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There was never such a time. There is no mathematical victory for Obama. Why dont you GET that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 07/17/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 5 fans permalink

That is not a rebuff. She made these fanatical, irrational, bitter monsters, it is her job to unmake them. If she hadn't tried so hard to play the victim and make Obama's fair and square victory out to be illegitimate none of this would be happening. It is her fault, and I'm sorry, but she needs to "rebuff" that a little harder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/17/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

To be fair, the most passionate HRC supporter comes nowhere near teh level of scary bitter venom and petty bile as someone like Nyland08, TiffanyHussein, Olivia or KevinSeven here on Huff Po.

HRCV has some wackadoo supporters, but the Kult make them look positively normal by comparison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 07/17/2008

Hi Cambio
I want to remind you that "the precious" DID NOT GET enough delegates to WIN the nomination. Obama was "selected" not "elected" by the superdelegates and the DNC. It's HIS job to win over Hillary supporters, and, let me tell you, it sure is getting harder and harder. Who would want to switch to a candidate who can't make up his mind about what he believes in? Why vote for a man who by July has turned his back on the Constitution and supported the eavesdropping and spying bill submitted by the White House? Is this change we can believe in? The only change that Obama cares about is the one that may add up to dollars to pay for his 57 state strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 07/17/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

Another very WEAK argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 07/17/2008

He got more so he WON. Go cry already, go ahead, let it out you'll feel better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 07/17/2008
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Because the other choice was a candidate who couldn't run a campaign on budget, on message, who ducked imaginary sniper fire in Bosnia and a campaign in constant needed reorganization because of internal dissension and drama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/17/2008
- jupitor I'm a Fan of jupitor 2 fans permalink

Obama just racked in 53 million dollars of small donations for june! Mccain 33 million! Bush just used Obama Idea of sitting down at the table with Iran and talking, and undermined and kicked Mccain dairy airy butt with his statement that Obama is nieve if he thinks you can just sit down and talk with Iran! Iraq is calling for U.S. to with draw out troops, another of Obama's idea's! Obama said we've taken our eyes off the real terrorist in pakistan and afganastan, and said so months ago. Sure enough Al queda is getting a stronger foot hold in afganastan and pakistan and June was the bloodest month of all! Bush/Mccain only has Obama's own Idea's and programs to put in place and follow. Obama said he'd draw out of iraq an put two birgades in afganastan right away, now Mccain in flip flopping and he's going to move 3 birgades into afganastan. This man doesn't have not one idea or thought of his own. He has to steal them from Obama, or Presidents fron the 80's like ronald reagon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 07/17/2008

I completely agree with you Masha9. I am very dissapointed that Obama has chosen to start moving to the center. Wasn't this the candidate of change and new politics? He is doing the same old song and dance Kerry did four years and look how great that turned out. Doesn't sound like change to me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 07/17/2008

07rescue,

Give everyone a break. What this really is about, is exactly what Hillary and Bill intended to do, create discontent and foster this Obama is not "electible" argument. She pushed this when she was in the race and she still lost. Still claiming she won the popular vote and all this nonsense. She tried to cheat her way in that's what happened. The all mighty Clintons " I received 18M votes, well there were 36M votes cast, so who got the rest??? Did Bill? Hillary did well because her husband was a popular President, embrace the truth. The republicans were going to make mince meat of her if she had won.

Saw Dan Abrams last night and he asked why is the media giving Johnny boy such a big break with all the out right "gaffe's", further he stated if it was Obama then the media would be going to town. The answer is simple. Barack Obama is Black, actually Bi-racial and no matter how inspiring he may be, no matter how hard he worked to get where he is, no matter the fact that he and his family didn't come from wealth but worked their way up, he will still be judged on the color of his skin.

So you Hillraisers, Puma's or whatever you call yourself, remember you think you're doing Hill a favor, you are not, trust me.

Now beat it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/17/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

The artcle says she clearly distanced herself from this particular fundraiser. Bill is just busy apparently launching a malaria prevention drive with his foundation. Hillary is busy raising money so Obama could hit that 52 million mark.

What is is that you find objectionable?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

When Dan Quayle couldn't spell potato correctly the MSM destroyed him, when Obama said last year that 10,000 people died in a tornado, or when he claimed he had been to 57 States so far they never mentioned it. I guess if Obama had gone to school in America he might actually know how many States we have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/17/2008
- seanosul I'm a Fan of seanosul 3 fans permalink

This is why Bush Lite lost. Her campaign focused solely on the bigots once she lost Super Tuesday. There were 57 campaigns to win. Obama won 2 out of 3 of them. She concentrated on 10. Despite that she still ended up £20 million in debt. What would she have done to the economy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 07/17/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

You know what the problem is when Hilary was doing her slash/burn tactics in the primary she should have been remindng these folks that we will unite behind the nominee no matter who it is. Sorry but I think Hilary created this "monster", Let me clarify I'm not calling this person a monster I'm referring to the situation.

There is a part of me and its growing bigger everytime I hear things like this but there is a part of me that think Obama is better off just washing his hands of Hilary and these supporters because these are the die hard ones he is not going to convince them because they want her and only her will do and frankly they are NOT worth it and he needs to stop wasting his time. If they want to live in a country with privatized social security, growing inequality, Roe v wade reverse, two or three wars in the near future and more wars in the distant future then VOTE MCCAIN its that simple.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/17/2008
- Scarllatti I'm a Fan of Scarllatti 14 fans permalink
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These are the same fools who will complain more than anyone that things are not right with America when they help elect a bad president. Irrational and inflexible characters like these are what gave us W. I hope they use their pee as gas in their cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 07/17/2008
- 2lib4oh I'm a Fan of 2lib4oh 9 fans permalink

Hillary supporters aren't "monsters", as you say.They are ideologues.As much as the right has them, the left has them too.

We need pragmatic, principled leaders and supporters, not ideologues who blindly follow their "leader" without questioning their behavior or their leadership skills.

Obama has outstanding leadership skills.He grew them before he started running for office. I wish Hilary had these skills but she has not honed them.She thought she could ride the wave of popularity the Clintons enjoyed once. There were flaws in the judgment of both Clintons that many of us didn't see at the time they were in office.
The campaign exposed these flaws.That doesn't mean Bill Clinton wasn't the better
choice in '92 and '96.

We have to grow up and support a candidate that can help us ride this tough time ahead. These are different times and they call for different leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/17/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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And what "ideology" would they be supporting? It sounds more like a "cult-of-personality" than anything else. Either that, or it is crypto-racism. I think your allusion to immaturity is close to the mark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/17/2008
- mortrefuge I'm a Fan of mortrefuge 12 fans permalink

They aren't even idealogues. They just hate Obama. And there is NOTHING that Obama can do to change this. No matter what he says or what positions he takes they will NEVER forgive him for winning. I'm not even sure that Hillary could do anything in this situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 07/17/2008

Can you read? He did not call Hilliary supporters a monster. He called the situation created by Hilliary a monster. That is what's wrong during this election. People see what they want to see and they read what they want to see. 2Lib40h made a point to explain what he or she was talking about and yet you did get it. Stop looking at things thru those rose colored glasses or practice reading for comprehension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 07/17/2008

Correction, I didn't mean 2lib40h made a point but harriscrl3 made the point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 07/17/2008

She probably takes her cue from Bill - who is evidently up to somethin'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 07/17/2008
- Piatt I'm a Fan of Piatt 17 fans permalink

You have to wonder what drew people like this to Hillary Clinton to begin with. It apparently wasn't her position on issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 07/17/2008
- neve I'm a Fan of neve 10 fans permalink

Obama's June numbers are out: $53 mil. Your "theory" Miss Ricky gets debunked right along with the one about the world being flat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 07/17/2008
- PoliJunkie I'm a Fan of PoliJunkie 17 fans permalink

Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/17/2008

Just remember that McCain won the GOP nomination by spending practically NO money at all. He beat Romney, who spent tens of millions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 07/17/2008
- Scarllatti I'm a Fan of Scarllatti 14 fans permalink
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That was in GOP-Land. This is a general election. Lets see how McCain can "win" without spending any money. By the way, that was a mirth created by the McCain campaign to make us believe he did not spend any money to win. I guess he got free airline tickets, hotel bills and all what not. Do not believe these lies by politicians. Yes, Mitt (the moneybag) may have spent more than him, but, America is not populated by GOP ideologues only. Lets see how McB will put out his "massage" without funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

Don't believe everything the GOP tells you either. McCain had back door money that was spent in his behalf. You don't know that because they won't tell you that. Investigate and find a lot of things they won't tell you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/17/2008
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 224 fans permalink
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You're seriously trying to draw a parallel between Obama and Romney? What color is the sky in your world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/17/2008
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McCain's competition in the primary was like the cast of the final sequence of "ShreK"

come on

BooBerry - Fred Thompson
Count Chocula - Rudy Giuiliani
Ted Baxter - Mitt Romney

Uncle Fester - McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 07/17/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

Rezko sure had his laundromats running full speed, that's for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 07/17/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

The fallout from all Hillary's dirty tricks and half-hearted support for Obama will be that for the rest of her career, any Democrat who runs against Hillary in any election will be well funded with millions of small contributions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 07/17/2008
- MaryT63 I'm a Fan of MaryT63 6 fans permalink

It appears as if Ms Lieberman and her ilk are all in a tizzy because their careers (jobs) in a Clinton admin have gone down in flames. Surely when Obama sets up his admin he will hire some of Hillary supporters but not all. I always say 'follow the money or the power grab'. Those Hillary supporters that are not on board with Obama now surely will not be in November if he doesn't select her as his VP. I believe that Hillary is behind all this, smiling all the way. Her campaign was indicative that she and Bill and their ilk will do anything to get elected or to cause havoc. Also, indicative is who of her campaign got hired by Fox news after she lost.
This is sad and very cynical, but it is typical of Hillary. I don't trust her at all. But to my major point - these Hillraisers wanted jobs and influence in a Clinton admin. They lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 07/17/2008

excellent points, MaryT63

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/17/2008
- RFBorjal I'm a Fan of RFBorjal 5 fans permalink

Those Nazi survivors could be forgiven. They haven't lived down their traumas, I guess. But, this Ricki Liebermann is really another matter. She hasn't lived down her bitterness, and never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 07/17/2008
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