'Surge' Ends With More Troops In Iraq Than Before Buildup Began

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LOLITA C. BALDOR | July 16, 2008 11:57 PM EST | AP

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Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen, right, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, take part in a news conference at the Pentagon, Wednesday, July 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon's top military officer said Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions in Iraq this fall.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that on his recent trip to Iraq, he found conditions had improved more than he expected.

"I won't go so far as to say that progress in Iraq from a military perspective has reached a tipping point or is irreversible _ it has not, and it is not," Mullen told a Pentagon press conference.

"But security is unquestionably and remarkably better. Indeed, if these trends continue I expect to be able early this fall to recommend to the secretary and the president further troop reductions," he said.

His remarks came in the midst of an election year in which Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama, the Republican and Democratic presidential nominees-in-waiting, have disagreed over U.S. strategy in Iraq with the war now in its sixth year.

The issue of troop levels in Iraq also has been weighing heavily on plans for boosting troop levels in Afghanistan, where violence is on the rise.

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The military buildup in Iraq that began more than 18 months ago has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in by President Bush last year, left the country.

Its departure marks the end of what the Pentagon calls the "surge." And it starts the 45-day evaluation period that Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told Congress he would need to assess the security situation and determine how many more troops he could send home.

Commanders have talked carefully, but somewhat optimistically, about the prospects for cutting troop levels more later this fall.

In recent months, they have pointed to two significant improvements: Violence is down, and the Iraqi forces are rapidly growing in size and ability.

Officials have been hoping that if security continues to improve in Iraq, they may be able to send more units to Afghanistan, where they say violence is increasing because of the flow of militants from neighboring Pakistan.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that officials are looking for ways to send additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan this year.

For his part, Petraeus remains mum. When questioned by lawmakers in May, he would say only that he is likely to recommend more troop cuts in the fall.

"I do believe there will be certain assets that, as we are already looking at the picture right now, we'll be able to recommend can be either redeployed or not deployed to the theater in the fall," he said.

Though the troop buildup ordered last year has ended, there are still 150,000 in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before it began.

There now are technically 13 Army and two Marine combat brigades in Iraq _ the same as before the buildup _ but the force is as much as 10 percent larger than it was in January 2007.

Military officials contend comparisons are not valid because a chunk of the remaining troop bulge is due to units that are overlapping, as two brigades begin moving out of Iraq, while their two replacements move in. The overlap could add up to 6,000 soldiers.

Also, one of the units moving out, the 1st Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, is much smaller than the one taking its place _ the 4th Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division.

So, the officials suggested, the military buildup may not really be over until the transitions are complete.

The key cause for the larger force is the change in mission in Iraq, as the U.S. military is using more trainers, security and support troops to back up the growing Iraqi force. Also, the U.S. units there now are bigger, and they are bolstered by more support forces.

When the military buildup began, there were between 132,000 and 135,000 troops in Iraq. Over time, however, the Pentagon poured troops into Baghdad and the belt of communities that surround it, including volatile Sadr City and Basra, the largest city in southern Iraq.

With more troops, the military needed more support, including military police to guard detainees and National Guard units to provide security for bases, convoys and other operations.

Earlier this year, military leaders acknowledged that the force in Iraq when the buildup ended would be larger than before it began. And they suggested that the post-buildup force would total about 142,000.

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(This version CORRECTS that Iraq war is now in its sixth year, instead of the fifth.)

 
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The Surge was propaganda at it's worst. A huge waste of money and lives.

The Iraqi want us to leave now and have formally directed us to do so. Will Iraq become the next Cuba?

WIN WHAT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 07/17/2008

I know why we went to Iraq but why are we still there? Seems to me we just about wrecked the country and the people there live fearful lives - haven't we done enough damage to Iraq. Even the people there are asking that the Americans to leave - so what's really going on? How many US soldiers have already lost their lives there this year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/16/2008
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Michael Yon reports from Iraq. In his view we have won.
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14 July 2008

The war continues to abate in Iraq. Violence is still present, but, of course, Iraq was a relatively violent place long before Coalition forces moved in. I would go so far as to say that barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What's left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it's time to rebuild the country, and create a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi people won.


http://michaelyon-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=34%3Adispatches&id=1690%3Asuccess-in-iraq&Itemid=55

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/16/2008
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Yet McBush wants to send 15,000 troops to Afghanistan. Like his "balancing" the budget by the end of his first term McBush is trying to sell fantasy to the American people. The surge was never sustainable so sending more troops to Afghanistan would be like sustaining the surge in Iraq, which we know is impossible. McBush will just say anything to get elected, the worse part is many people have bought into his offshore drilling gimmick, so they might buy in this invalid logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 07/16/2008

Yup, and when the Obama admin is done troops will still be in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 07/16/2008

Because the "Surge" was myth to begin with, it is myth that the "Surge" has come to an end?
Such is the folly of the American press and the politicalization of war and suffering by the military propaganda machine in reporting by the Main Stream Media.

Most HuffPo readers seem to realize this, yet the media continues the Big Lie.

Some posts ask: "what happens when the pay-offs of Tribal groups and interests in Iraq do indeed "dry up"?

This does little to solve the major problems facing Iraq; namely sovereignity or the lack of. The US must get out of Iraq and let them dictate their future. Elections in Iraq and the US have made the reality that our power is limited. Iraqis have made it clear that the US must get out - no bases, no troops and no mercenary contracters.
The media and politicians will call it a "Victory". Will this damage Obama's chances to win the election here? That makes no sense. Thousands of dead Americans, tens of thosuands of maimed for life. Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and injured. Victory is not possible. The efforts of diplomacy and the over whelming oppostion to the war on both "sides" is the reason and platform that will end the war and bring peace. The money has destroyed lives and economies. It has made a few wealthy beyond belief! It will not however, bring them happiness or peace.
The surge is a big lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/16/2008

"I won't go so far as to say that progress in Iraq from a military perspective has reached a tipping point or is reversible _ it has not and it is not"

The surge was spun on progress in Iraq from a GOVERNMENTAL perspective.
The surge was won on progress in Iraq from a MILITARY perspective? ... Well, not exactly!

The likely scenario ... The SCOURGE is working!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 07/16/2008
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It's the post surge surge, we call it the swell...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 07/16/2008

Why are we paying (with American taxpayer money) the so-called "Sons of Iraq", former insurgents with American blood on their hands, NOT to attack our soldiers?? This never gets mentioned when McCain brags about the success of the "surge". What happens when the money runs out??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/16/2008

Well, that's what a "surge" is: an increase. Unfortunately, the increase in murderous US soldiers means that another result has been fewer Iraqis, which was part of the plan, too. Oh, why does the world hate America? I just can't figure it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/16/2008

The American people like the word "Victory"', we like it alot:

http://michaelyon-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1690%3Asuccess-in-iraq&catid=34%3Adispatches&Itemid=55%23yvComment

The single best thing we can do to increase oil supplies (and depress prices) is to maintain security in Iraq so they can expand production. Can you handle that Harry (The War IS LOST) Reid? or Nancy (The Road Of Peace Goes Through Damascus) Pelosi?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 07/16/2008

No, the single best thing we can do is increase research on vehicles that do not NEED gasoline to run, and heating fuels that are not petroleum based. Cut the demand. Maintain security in Iraq-with YOUR son, minnehot? I notice your screen name is not MIND hot, because it sure isn't, bush lover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/16/2008
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Wow. They come up with a new dance to justify everything, don't they?

The fact of the matter is that while the "surge" has had some effect, the administration's tunnel-vision on Eye-Rack has allowed Af-Ghanistan to collapse.
And there will be more troops needed for that, than are currently in the middle east right now.

Things, in general, are NOT getting better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008
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Look's like we got fooled again. Better luck next time. The law of averages says that eventually, the Admin will tell the truth. Maybe only once, but that would be novel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/16/2008

Let's all send this link to Candy Crowley at CNN.

She repeated ad nauseum this morning that the surge is working and that this is a big problem for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 07/16/2008

That's Republican Math for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 07/16/2008
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