Four Years Under The Influence: Netroots Nation Panel Examines The Growth Of The Political Internet


First Posted: 07-18-08 01:27 PM   |   Updated: 07-26-08 05:12 AM

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At today's Netroots Nation panel, "From Dean To Obama: Four Years In the Internet Revolution," Joe Trippi, late of the John Edwards campaign, had an anecdote at the ready that was well-worn but nonetheless compelling. Back when the Netroots were still getting planted, the Dean campaign found the web to be the ideal means to speed the dissemination of branded and consistent campaign signage for Dean supporters in all fifty states. They built their web app, and launched it, with a bit of a self-congratulatory air, seizing on the fact that theirs was the first campaign to ever do something like it.

A funny thing happened, however: the Dean campaign started getting messages from voters in Puerto Rico, feeling left out. The campaign moved quickly to rectify the mistake, but was next greeted with a note from Spain - seems they'd slept on Democrats Abroad as well.

Trippi pointed out that in past, what would have happened is that voters in Puerto Rico would have never heard that such campaign materials were even available, and that the campaign would have never learned that they had neglected to include Democrats from overseas.

"The people were a lot smarter than us," said Trippi.

And fast. The entire exchange described above went down mere minutes after the launch.

And in four years, things have only gotten faster and smarter. The sort of money it took campaigns four days to raise in 2004 is raised in mere hours now. The Obama campaign has moved significantly away from the sort of campaign that reflects, in Trippi's words, an "addiction" to top-down structure. And in 2006, it was a piece of user-generated web video that captured the now infamous "Macaca" moment that ended the career of Virginia Senator and one-time Presidential aspirant George Allen.

Now, those same forces are being brought to bear against the entrenched power of the mainstream media. Amanda Michel, repping our own Off The Bus project, spoke of a "radical flatness" that engaged grass-roots level story-seekers and investigators, created a broad network of citizen-journalists, and yet kept everyone involved closely connected to her central coordination. Karl Frisch, of Media Matters, said that his site's success has been the way it's given a thousand voices in the wilderness the chance to exploit an "echo-chamber" of their own, one that aggressively pushes out, and back.

But in a room filled with the precisely the sort of pioneers who have turned the internet into a powerful political tool, concerns remained. California Secretary of State Debra Bowen, who proudly identified herself as a netroots-powered candidate, asked the panel if the speed and strength of the internet wasn't making campaigning more difficult. Knowing that any sort of misstep could get amplified by the web, what could an office-seeker do to avoid this, short of circumscribing their every remark?

Part of the prescription, according to Charles Chamberlain of Democracy For America, is to stay true to yourself. The internet, in his opinion, tends to amplify an authenticity against which missteps can be evaluated. When you're a politician who's used to faking it 24/7, the authenticity captured could reveal authentic repugnance, as it did with George Allen.

Nevertheless, Trippi did warn that this was a potential point of collapse for politicians still navigating between the netroots and the mainstream media, whose breadth and reach can still take a thirty-second soundbyte and subject it to all the distortions of the "fake medium." And, as Frisch put it, you can still "start every sentence with 'My friends,' and call yourself a maverick," and the media will give you a pass when you mess up.

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At today's Netroots Nation panel, "From Dean To Obama: Four Years In the Internet Revolution," Joe Trippi, late of the John Edwards campaign, had an anecdote at the ready that was well-worn but noneth...
At today's Netroots Nation panel, "From Dean To Obama: Four Years In the Internet Revolution," Joe Trippi, late of the John Edwards campaign, had an anecdote at the ready that was well-worn but noneth...
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Dear Jason,

As it turns out, I am not only not Terry, I am not male, and I don't work for Democracy for America--as for being true to yourself, I'm not against it, but certainly didn't suggest it (I was moderating the panel). I think you may have confused me with Charles Chamberlain, who is male, does work for Democracy for America, and did talk about authenticity, as I recall.

Zephyr Teachout

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 07/20/2008

Jason,

I see you fixed it! Thanks,

Zephyr

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 07/20/2008
- lenzorizzo I'm a Fan of lenzorizzo 6 fans permalink

the people were a lot smarter than WE...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/19/2008

The word "than" can be used either as a preposition or conjunction. As a preposition "smarter than us" is correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/21/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

IF we can take control before the "Noble" Liars can emasculate completrely the power of net communication, we might have a democracy again.
But if we fail now, the net freedom will go the way of the MSM.
And without a true source of information, no democracy can live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/19/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 27 fans permalink
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That might ought to be "source of true information". THe internet is full of both false and true information.

We have democracy now. We do not need to get it again, we need to keep it.

The internet is no more reliable than the MSM it is just more diverse, and that is good, but just becasue someone says something on the internet does not mean it is true, That goes for Netroots and MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/19/2008
- Oakland I'm a Fan of Oakland 10 fans permalink

Our democracy started eroding way back with Reagan. There is next to nothing left. Netroots is the power. We can take our country back from corporate owned Democrats and Republicans. When the movement started, emphasis was on "more" Dems. Now, its "better" Dems and Pelosi and Reid better watch their backs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 07/19/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 481 fans permalink
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I'd like to see wireless access everywhere for everyone. Internet access is still not as democratic as it needs to be.

Great article. Very uplifting. Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/19/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 27 fans permalink
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How is internet access democratic? ISP, internet service provider. The internet is a service that anyone who can afford can have.

Is immediate access to everyone of inaccurate information a good thing? Is there not a responsibility of the citizen to become educated? On this very site (this time not Huffington's fault) over the past month people have been saying that the passage of FISA changes/destroys the constitution. A whole group of people believe that is true, when it just simply is not.

I guess one can make an argument that the people have the right to be misinformed. Maybe they do. Maybe they also have a right to really lose their right because of their self-induced ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 07/19/2008

Absolutely... and lawyers for the telecoms have actually showed up in towns that were planning on offering public internet access to all, and threatened to bring the full force of their corporate legal team down on the town fathers' heads, if they tried.

What does THAT tell you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 07/19/2008
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I do NOT care what "reasons" any of them give (gave) to "rationali­ze/justify­" in their mind, or in the mind of WE the (Government) People, why they voted for this FISA, Or Immunity... They ALL swore an Oath to defend and protect the Constitution... In my Opinion they All, (Both Branches) failed to do so... I do NOT give a Damn about their reasons, or intent (good, bad, or otherwise)... FISA would have remained intact, with a total NO! vote on this FISA...

NOW, WE the (Government) People, have the vote in our hands... It's time WE the Government, removed these corrupted Office Holders from our Employment... Along with removing the corrupt, two Branches (Democrat and Republican) Dominant Political System from our Employment... These two Branches, have written and voted the rules of their corruption into Law... Campaign Contributions from the Wealthy, and Corporations, that influence a vote would be labeled a bribe anywhere else.. Enough of voting good, well intentioned people into Office, to see them get overwhelmed by a corrupt Political System... C'mon true Independents!
POGO: WE have met the Enemy, and IT is US... Likewise can be our best friend...
In my State (WA) the Caucus went 2 to1 in Obama's favor, while the primary showed a 5% favor of Obama... Guess which counted... It was NOT the Voters...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/19/2008

This is fabulous, and you and all those involved across the spectrum deserve the thanks of us all for helping so much to make possible the overthrow of the fascists.

We hope YouTube and all their friends are at every polling station in the land this fall.

One great thing about internet news that the mainstream morons could not allow is that the news stands there right beside the national conversation on the news.

This is unprecedented.

Instantaneous world wide dissemination is changing everything.

The powers in every nation are losing control of information.

We are right now at the beginning of the political enlightenment of the world.

AND THAT IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 AM on 07/19/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Beware of anyone who wants to regulate the internet.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 07/19/2008
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We need the right kind of regulation­&mdassh;th­e kind that says telecoms can't charge more for better access, can't block out content based on ideology.

Net neutrality IS regulation. But I know what you mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/19/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 27 fans permalink
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"Political enlightenment." Interesting term. What does that mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/19/2008
- LVLefty I'm a Fan of LVLefty 5 fans permalink

Is anyone EVER going to point out that Joe Trippi has blown more money in unsuccessful campaigns than Edsel and Classic Coke combined?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/19/2008
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And, he was battling the Karl Rove machine, the dirtiest and most effective political machine since the Nazis. If Trippi had won, we would have been spared 8 years of Bush. I am glad he fought the battle, even if he lost the war.

The unsuccessful campaigns he lost were for the benefit of the American dream. It is we who lost, not just Trippi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 07/19/2008
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"Part of the prescription, according to Zephyr Teachout of Democracy For America, is to stay true to yourself"

Here's the problem right here. Politicians are always angling for the center with their words, faking and acting and trying to be everything to everyone. Then they get caught being inauthentic and cry foul. In the ideal internet media age, that will stop - it's just too exhausting to try to put out fires everywhere. Hopefully the netroots moving to the main stage will prompt more transparency in politics - an age when politicians actually stand for something substantive. If people disagree with a politician's stand, let them disagree, but not because the politician is waffling so much that they don't stand for anything - let the politicians draw a line in the sand and see who agrees. That's what democracy is about, people - a free exchange of ideas. I say bravo to the netroots who speak truth to power every single day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 07/19/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 27 fans permalink
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Hopefully Netroots will learn that politicians behave they way they do because they have to represent 50.1% of the people in their constituency. Transparency does not mean getting politicians to agree with you. It would be great if people just said what they believed and let the people vote. All it takes is one candidate to promise all to all, and if the people buy it, the gig is up. That is true with or with out Netroots and the internet.

What netroots should be concerned about is not getting politicians to do one thing or the other, but educate the woefully ignorant electorate. On these pages the ignorance of basic US Civics is staggering. I still wait for someone to explain to me how they think a Bill passed into Law can destroy or change the Constitution. Yet a good chunk of the left wing has, over the last month, said that FISA, a bill passed into Law, has destroyed the Constitution.

If we are going to use the internet it should be to educate the people in real power the electorate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 07/19/2008
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There is a tradition in Britain, a spirit if you will, of what has been called "Common Law." It is not always written down precisely, but it is nonetheless part of the canons enforced by courts and upheld by society.

I think there is a fear that the spirit behind the Constitution is being lost. We have seen the right embrace the doctrines of "might makes right," "the ends justify the means," and "extremism in the defence of liberty is not a vice," even if that is not what they say that they are doing. There is a generalised fear that we are treading on a path away from our roots, away from freedom and democracy, to becoming a land where the rich and powerful can do whatever they want to without fear of repercussions.

While one can make the argument that the rich and powerful have always had unequal treatment before the law, we seem to be headed in the wrong direction under the neo-cons, toward dictatorship.

What does this have to do with FISA? If the guy at the top of the food chain, the president, can order people to do what he wants them to do, and if those people can then say that they were just following orders (which were against the law), are we not allowing them to use the same arguments that the Nazi criminals used?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 07/19/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 54 fans permalink

One bill can not destroy the constitution. But what it can do is make a dead letter of one of the rights guaranteed by the constitution. Like wiping out habeas corpus which the FISA bill does. Without HABEAS CORPUS THE GOVERNMENT CAN PUT YOU IN JAIL INDEFINITELY WITHOUT A TRIAL. WITHOUT ACCESS TO A DEFENSE LAWYER AND WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE CHARGES AGAINST YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 07/19/2008
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nets roots i got one thing to ask why are you doing this it don't make sense

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/18/2008

I think the "Netroots" are getting the big head. If they keep f**** with O....they are going down! lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/18/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

Fully agreed, Wilcatdiva. They remind me of the "terrible two's." Getting their first taste of independence and power. And often wielding it dangerously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/19/2008
- jayelo I'm a Fan of jayelo 5 fans permalink

Great videos at this site.
http://formerobamasupporters.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 07/18/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Keep trying, maybe you will get it right. There are a grand total of 1431 people signed up on that web site. I could probably find that many people that I could convince I am God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/18/2008
- philistine I'm a Fan of philistine 27 fans permalink

We beseech thee, Chillinout - hear us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/18/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

Nice try!! There is no such thing as a "former Obama supporter"! If they're labeling themselves this, they never were for Obama, plain and simple. The "real" Obama supporters know we're looking at the next POTUS!! Barack the vote all the way to the White House!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 07/18/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

No former Obama supporter would support a website that asks, "where did you get that from Hussein?" referring to his remark about the camel's nose under the tent.

Not clever, not intelligent, not anything ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/18/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 27 fans permalink
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Right On.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 07/18/2008
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Great if you do not understand the complexity of a social structure that includes 250 million people. Issues are not black and white, they are shades of gray. Obama understands that. Sadly many people in the US, like your self do not.

I am strongly opposed to abortion, in fact the taking of any life. I also do not believe that such decisions should be made by the Federal Government. So what am I? Pro -life? Pro-choice? A flip-flopper? Only the last one is wrong, but people get tied up in a position when they are arguing answers to different questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/18/2008
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Absolutely right. In my twenties I used to argue passionately for pro-choice. Ten years later I started realizing and by now when I am almost 50, hopefully I realized that the issue is not black and white. Once again I had to say to myself that Obama is a better and wiser human being than I am when he said something like there is a point where the pro choice and pro life people will agree to disagree but there are points where almost everyone can agree too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 07/19/2008
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I would bet that at no time in history -- has the gulf between the old and the new been greater than it is right now, in this election. . . We are all holding hands, and we are talking to one another and if
we keep it up we can make the world a better place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 07/18/2008
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it's amazing to see the gap expanding between
The Informed
and
The Willfully Ignorant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/18/2008
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and there are a lot of willing souls out there. No wonder they gave us W.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/19/2008
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The people are still smarter than the elite liberal Blogosphere gives them credit for. There are a lot of sheep that follow the goat, but the rest of us can look up things on the internet and are not fooled by talk like FISA has destroyed our Constitution.

The Netroots are as dangerous as they are helpful, just like all the rest of the internet. It just brings home the idea that for true learning one needs a good dose of scepticism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 07/18/2008
- j0em0mma I'm a Fan of j0em0mma 35 fans permalink
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First, Elite Liberals gave us the Blogosphere, you apparently haven't been to dailyKos, or you would see this and also clear contradiction to your "...not fooled by talk like FISA has destroyed our Constitution" which it has. You've been fooled, alright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 07/18/2008
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Your post is incoherent. Hitting the bottle early?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 07/18/2008
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Not only have I been to Daily Kos I have posted there and had Kos's minions shred me becasue I diagree with the Kos God. In 2005, I still have the posts, I was posting the odvious that wee needed to get out of Iraq. The Kos at that time was putting out the non-sesnse that we broke it and we had to fix it. I said then that there was no fix. That was over 2100 deaths ago. I was vilified for being - as I had been since 2002 - against the war, Readers cried that I was a villian because I did not want the United States Superior people to help the insuficient Iraqis from killing each other. Why my solution would create a blood-bath. As if the last three years have not been a blood bath.

No your sainted Kos was wrong on the war in Iraq, and is now very wrong on the implication of the passage of FISA. This country under our Constitution Fought off the British in 1812, tamed the West (rather questionably), fought a bloody Civil War, created and controlled the creation of the Corporation, fought in 2 World Wars, and survived the Nixon Administration who spawned many of the criminals who occupy power in the current White House. FISA, the original, was passed as a measure to do what the Constitution does not provide a certain method to do.



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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/18/2008
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You might want to check a dictionary before you start regurgitating words you have heard used but don't know the meaning of

elite - (often used with a plural verb) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

Speaking of sheep who just repeat things ...

If you really researched instead of just looking for opinions from people who support your view you would find that FISA destroyed the 4th amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 07/18/2008
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Well I know enough about the Constitution to know that a Bill passed into Law has no power to change the Constitution.

Since you are so smart, do so much "research" , and define words not misused, explain how a single Bill passed into Law "destroys" any part of the Constitution.

My guess is that I was studying the Constitution before you were a glint in your parents eye. Other than the fact that I did not create the English language, the words I write are mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/18/2008
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Gee, I guess I was srong the Blogoshere is not a group. Your definition of elite is rather subjective. I would say it more a select group percieved to be the choice or best, often only by themselves. The top 10% of wealth holders in this country are "elite" but are by no means the choice or best at anything except separating other people from their money.

Kos is part of a select group of bloggers (thus elite) who have the resources and time to to run a large site with staff. That does not make his ideas or writing any better that anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/18/2008
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Not the constitution perse just our civil liberty. If you don't understand that you are too dumb to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 07/19/2008
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I guess I have been for 40 years now. How do civil liberties granted by the Constitution become destroyed when the Constitution is not.

The founders deliberately made things difficult and slow. You can't have it all and you can't have it now. There are at least two measures than can be taken, one has already been taken by the ACLU, and that is to take the issue to the courts. The other quicker route is to Elect Obama President and present him with a Bill repealing the current one and replacing it with an acceptable one.

IT is a process and has been for 200 plus years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 07/20/2008
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A very small percentage of the people have any idea what's going on in the backrooms. They know they're being screwed, they know they're being threatened. They know they can't afford to go to the dentist, can't pay their rent or mortgage, are terrified of being evicted and having to sleep in their car. There is no way they can send their kids to college. They know there is "someone" out there in the world that wants to bomb and attack the U.S. -- "Arabs," would be the generic description in their mind -- but they don't know why, and they don't know how to stop it. Bomb the hell out of them sounded like a good idea, but it hasn't worked.

The elite own the media and everything they tell people is a lie. The politicians all lie. Why don't the Democrats stand for anything? Why don't they go out, hold rallys with the people they are supposed to represent, and explain to them how the rich people are not paying any taxes, and how they're taking American jobs to other countries and hurting us all? Because the Democrats are in on it, so they lie too.

Sorry Joe. If only. Most people don't know what's going on. Except that they're being screwed -- that's obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 07/18/2008
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