Obama in Iraq: Withdrawal support but no timetable

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BRIAN MURPHY and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA | July 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008. Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent common ground on American troop withdrawal goals: expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)

BAGHDAD — Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support Monday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces from the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.

The Democratic presidential contender also got a military briefing _ and a helicopter tour _ from the top U.S. commander in the region, Gen. David Petraeus, and also met with a few of the nearly 150,000 U.S. troops now well into the war's sixth year.

Back in the U.S., Republican rival John McCain said he hoped the visit would open Obama's eyes to the danger of withdrawal timetables. Said the Arizona senator, who was meeting with President Bush's father, the former president, in Maine: "When you win wars, troops come home." He said of Obama: "He's been completely wrong on the issue."

In Washington, the White House expressed displeasure with recent public comments by Iraqi leaders on the withdrawal question and suggested they might have the U.S. election on their minds.

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the government's spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki _ who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said _ then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. That date would be some seven months later than Obama's 16-month timeline.

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Obama said almost nothing to reporters following him, but promised fuller impressions after he finishes here Tuesday and heads to Jordan and Israel.

He released a statement late Monday noting that Iraqis want an "aspirational timeline, with a clear date," for the departure of U.S. combat forces.

"Prime Minister Maliki told us that while the Iraqi people deeply appreciate the sacrifices of American soldiers, they do not want an open-ended presence of U.S. combat forces. The prime minister said that now is an appropriate time to start to plan for the reorganization of our troops in Iraq _ including their numbers and missions. He stated his hope that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq in 2010," Obama said in a joint statement with Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, who accompanied him to the war zone.

The senators also acknowledged a significant decline in violence in Iraq, and said that while their has been some "forward movement" on political progress, reconciliation and economic development, there has not been "nearly enough to bring lasting stability to Iraq."

Obama told ABC News that military leaders have "deep concerns" about a timetable that doesn't account for changing conditions.

"I don't think that there are deep concerns about the notion of a pullout per se," he said in the interview. "There are deep concerns about, from their perspective, of a timetable that doesn't take into account what they anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Obama also said that knowing what he knows now he still would have opposed sending more troops to Iraq last year.

In Washington, the White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop withdrawal plans and suggested they may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on America's presence and future obligations in the country.

"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday newly expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.

The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop level targets but last week offered to discuss a "general time horizon" for a U.S. combat troop exit.

Asked whether the Iraqis might be trying to use the U.S. presidential election for leverage in negotiations over the future of the American military mission in Iraq, Perino said, "I think that a lot of other people look through the lens of a 2008 presidential election. ... Might they be? Sure. I mean, it's possible."

Iraq was the third leg of Obama's tour of the region, which has included stops in Kuwait and Afghanistan.

The counterpoint was clear: Obama opposed the Iraq war from the start and views the battle against the resurgent Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan as America's most critical fight.

But Iraq is not the same place as when Obama last visited in January 2006.

Both Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaida in Iraq, and Shiite militias have suffered significant blows. And security forces in Baghdad _ once the scene of near daily car bombs and sectarian killings _ have made clear gains since last year's troop build-up of nearly 30,000 soldiers.

In an interview Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain said he hoped Obama would now "have the opportunity to see the success of the surge."

"This is the same strategy that he voted against, railed against," McCain said. "He was wrong about the surge. It is succeeding and we are winning."

All five surge brigades have left Iraq, but there are still about 147,000 U.S. soldiers in the country.

Obama _ traveling in a congressional delegation with Reed and Hagel_ first arrived in the city of Basra in Iraq's mostly Shiite south. Basra is the center for about 4,000 British troops involved mostly in training Iraqi forces. An Iraqi-led offensive begun in March reclaimed control of most of the city from Shiite militia believed linked to Iran.

Obama's foreign stops, which will conclude with a swing through Europe, were seen as an attempt to burnish his foreign policy credentials and address challenges by McCain that he is too inexperienced to lead in a time of war and global risks.

They also gave Obama a taste of some of the difficulties in Iraq that the next president will inherit. Important negotiations on a pact defining the future U.S. military commitment have stalled.

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AP White House Correspondent Terence Hunt in Washington contributed to this report.

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- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 76 fans permalink

One way I can tell Obama is good is by how many bad people hate him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/22/2008

Maybe Obama can have his way, we can end the war in Iraq, the troops can come home, as long as people like Joe Liebermann, Kenneth Pollack, Paul Wolfowitz and Dan Senor don't get in the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 07/22/2008

The single most damaging vote regarding Bush's Iraq policy happened in July 2005. It was the passage of the 2005 BUSH/CHENEY ENERGY BIll. The bill that Cheney crafted in secret. The bill that would escalate our involvement in this war, the one that OIL profiteers would cheer. And who voted for it? Well, the so-called anti-war candidate himself--BARRY O. HRC voted against it. JM against it. The lack of real analysis of Obama's record especially regarding the 'war' is astonishing. Truly ignorant. And just before the bill passed where were OIL prices? Go look at the chart. Here's a link to the actual vote. Barry O is a con artist. I've never seen such cynicism before.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 07/22/2008
- optiquest I'm a Fan of optiquest 3 fans permalink

why dont u come on emma; all "O" s hot air is making u dizzy.....

Question is....is that all "O" has? Bring it on "O" .... tell us something we don't know.... We all know that when missions are over we pull troops out

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/22/2008
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

Test.

Remember the Alamo.

Don't forget to vote!!!

:-)

Pray for our troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 07/22/2008

OK. Someone please clear up this 'timeline would be dangerous' argument that Bush and McCain keep forwarding. At some point a time line would be necessary otherwise you have your troops in grave danger during a sudden chaotic pullout. Correct? Ah....I see, it depends on 'conditions on the ground'! So any perceived threat? Stable government? A kid holding a water pistol? Clearly Bush and McCain want to stay in Iraq for 100 years which a 'general time horizon' clearly demonstrates!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 07/22/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 195 fans permalink
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Someday this war's gonna end and that'll be fine with the boys back there. There was enough insanity and murder to go around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 07/22/2008

The sooner the better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 07/22/2008

Yes indeed sir.... the sooner the better.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 07/22/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 188 fans permalink

I know. It is not right to lose these kids.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 07/22/2008

It is worse than not right...... Even if they do make it home..... *sigh* In watching the local news, I have noticed domestic abuse is way, way up..... so is various other crimes..... and the disturbing fact is.... most of the new domestic abuse crimes are being committed by vets returning from each ill begotten war.......... other crimes too.... The tragedy of it all is going to be felt by all of us for a very long time after they "end" it officially..... honestly.... it will only be the beginning of something else.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 07/22/2008
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I wonder, do you think the Kurdish folks thought it all was about insanity, and murder?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 07/22/2008

Doubtful, but I'd imagine they were really confused when 41 abandoned them the first time.

I'm off to bed, but good to see you, Oddy. I raise my glass to you, old salt. Nice sparring with you again, and thanks for the good wishes on my happy event.

I'm sure we'll scrap again, soon, much like these two:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Sam_and_Ralph_choke.png

http://www.unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/media/graphics/sam&ralph.gif

;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 07/22/2008

No, not all, just too much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 07/22/2008

Let me get this right: according to the wacko nut job repubs getting out of Iraq hinges on 'conditions on the ground.' Wouldn't an elected/sovereign government which has suffered the most in a war understand the 'conditions on the ground' more than foreign troops? Clearly the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people want US troops out of Iraq which happens to fall in line with Senator Obama's timeline. But hey, what do the Iraqis know - and who cares? God I hate Right wing fascists!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 07/22/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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It is traditionally contrasted with metaphysical naturalism, which views nature as lacking design or purpose. In the first case form is defined by function, in the second function is defined by form. Teleology would say that a person has eyes because he has the need of eyesight, (form follows function), while naturalism would argue that a person has sight simply because he has eyes, or that function follows form (eyesight follows from having eyes).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/22/2008
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Where these good college Republicans end up ...

Republican Party Values
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJdilZcC3g&NR=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 07/22/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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Take my advice

they're only trying to screw you

Smiling faces...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 07/22/2008

A great many people pounded Rumplestiltskin, it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 07/22/2008
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Good college Democrats usually end up on the dole, and whining.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 07/22/2008
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Sorry, they join teacher's unions, fail to educate kids, and then whine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 07/22/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 188 fans permalink

Really?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/22/2008

Dang.... crabby today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 07/22/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 255 fans permalink
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crumpledforeskin is working on some McGoo points tonight!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 07/22/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 195 fans permalink
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What is conspiracy to steal honest truth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 07/22/2008
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I don't know but leave it to a Republican to get caught trying to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 07/22/2008
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maybe about the same as locking up Japanese Americans, and then becoming a lefty icon with a cabinet filled with Soviet spies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 07/22/2008
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 301 fans permalink
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At the airport bathroom with a wide stand

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 07/22/2008
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Great blog from a conservative on Politico.

by RealRepubl­icansforOb­ama

"This is a great day for America. The Maliki government has just stuck a stake in the heart of the failed ideology called neoconservatism. No more fighting surrogate wars for Israel. No more indefinite occupations of foreign countries that bankrupt America. Now Republicans will be forced to go back to their conservative roots. I will vote for Obama this time around but hopefully the Republican party will come to it's senses because of this loss."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 07/22/2008
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It has to be called something different than what the left has been calling for

even though it is a right wing capitulation to what the people are demanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 07/22/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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speaking of the left calling the kettle black.....­..........­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 07/22/2008

The reason Magoo can't define victory in Iraq: Because, in truth, they would define victory as pulling troops out while a Republican is president. If a Democrat is president, they'd define it as surrender.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 07/22/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 195 fans permalink
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Watching Apocolypse now. Sheen just got his order to get the renegade general out and is concerned; says this is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 07/22/2008
- LeSamourai I'm a Fan of LeSamourai 16 fans permalink
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The original or Redux?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 07/22/2008

The Redux was pretty cool.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 07/22/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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somebody has to maintain the integrity of the system....­..........­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/22/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 195 fans permalink
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Nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 07/22/2008

I can't believe that people actually believe Obama.

What a fraud. Even if he does get elected, the shock his supporters are gonna get is going to be awesome to observe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bGDgfHZvQ&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/22/2008
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Hey, wait a minute,what is the king of the "netroots" doing talking with "betrayus". Inquiring minds want to know, if just in order to poke fun at you nit wits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 07/22/2008

Sizing up the subordinates he will fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 07/22/2008
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So, a military guy succeeds in spite of GW , and a clown that never served a millisecond ( that would be your demi-god), and never really voted on world wide decisions on Iraq is going to fire him. Cool. Maybe he'll put Al Shapton in his place .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 07/22/2008

King of the netroots? LOL. C'Mon, Oddy, I know you pay more attention that that.

PS -- his position on Iraq is the same as it's always been, despite the spin from both sides. Those of us who pay attention to what he actually says instead of what people say about him know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 07/22/2008

Oooo.... paying attention... what a shocking and awe inspired concept.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/22/2008
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Sure, Groucho. I do pay attention. I remember when O was whining about the "surge". You can argue he was right in whining about more troop, but when it worked, his "plan'"sort of, maybe, was germane. Okay. It probably would have worked without additional troop, yea, sure. O would have struck a rainbow over Iraq and all the mean people would have bowed down to his superior intellect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 07/22/2008

After his FISA vote, Kos (who might earn the title of king of the netroots) publicly refused to donate to him. Firedoglake and Glenn Greenwald savaged him. King of the netroots...LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 07/22/2008
- jeplanet I'm a Fan of jeplanet 40 fans permalink
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'Nitwit' is one word, dummy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 07/22/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 76 fans permalink

According to the fairytale, didn't Rumplestiltskin become so angry that he stomped his foot into a hole, literally ripping himself in half?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/22/2008
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