Katie Couric To Obama: People Are "Scratching Their Heads" About Your Opposition To Surge

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First Posted: 07-23-08 12:44 PM   |   Updated: 07-31-08 05:12 AM

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When Katie Couric told Haaretz that "The glory days of TV news are over," her words framed what looked like a lament, but her recent deeds make them seem like a threat. Her recent interview with Senator Barack Obama, at the very least, certainly failed to glorify any of the parties involved.

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COURIC: Before the surge, as you know, Senator, there were 80 to 100 U.S. casualties a month, the country was rife with sectarian violence, and you raised a lot of eyebrows on this trip saying even knowing what you know now, you still would not have supported the surge. People may be scratching their heads and saying, "Why?"

OBAMA: Well ... because ... what I was referring to, and I've consistently referred to, is the need for a strategy that actually concludes our involvement in Iraq and moves Iraqis to take responsibility for the country.

COURIC: But didn't the surge ... help do that?

OBAMA: Let me finish, Katie. What happens is that if we continue to put $10 billion to $12 billion a month into Iraq, if we are willing to send as many troops as we can muster continually into Iraq? There's no doubt that that's gonna have an impact. But it doesn't meet our long-term strategic goal, which is to make the American people safer over the long term. If that means that we're detracting from our efforts in Afghanistan, where conditions are deteriorating, if it means that we are distracted from going after Osama bin Laden who is still sending out audio tapes and is operating training camps where we know terrorists' actions are being plotted. ...

COURIC: All that may be true. But do you not give the surge any credit for reducing violence in Iraq?

OBAMA: No, no ... of course I have. There is no doubt that the extraordinary work of our U.S. forces has contributed to a lessening of the violence, just as making sure that the Sadr militia stood down or the fact that the Sunni tribes decided to flip and work with us instead of with al-Qaeda - something that we hadn't anticipated happening.

All those things have contributed to a reduction in violence. So this, in no way, detracts from the great efforts of our young men and women in uniform. In fact, that's one of the most striking things about visiting Iraq is to see how dedicated they are, what a great job they do - all those things ... are critically important. What I'm saying is it does not solve the broader strategic question that we have been dealing with over the last five, six, seven years. And that is how do we take the limited resources we have, both militarily and financially, and apply them in such a way that we are making America as safe as possible? And I believe that my approach is the right one.

COURIC: But talking microcosmically, did the surge, the addition of 30,000 additional troops ... help the situation in Iraq?

OBAMA: Katie, as ... you've asked me three different times, and I have said repeatedly that there is no doubt that our troops helped to reduce violence. There's no doubt.

COURIC: But yet you're saying ... given what you know now, you still wouldn't support it ... so I'm just trying to understand this.

OBAMA: Because ... it's pretty straightforward. By us putting $10 billion to $12 billion a month, $200 billion, that's money that could have gone into Afghanistan. Those additional troops could have gone into Afghanistan. That money also could have been used to shore up a declining economic situation in the United States. That money could have been applied to having a serious energy security plan so that we were reducing our demand on oil, which is helping to fund the insurgents in many countries. So those are all factors that would be taken into consideration in my decision-- to deal with a specific tactic or strategy inside of Iraq.

COURIC: And I really don't mean to belabor this, Senator, because I'm really, I'm trying to figure out your position. Do you think the level of security in Iraq ... would exist today without the surge?

OBAMA: Katie, I have no idea what would have happened had we applied my approach, which was to put more pressure on the Iraqis to arrive at a political reconciliation. So this is all hypotheticals. What I can say is that there's no doubt that our U.S. troops have contributed to a reduction of violence in Iraq. I said that, not just today, not just yesterday, but I've said that previously. What that doesn't change is that we've got to have a different strategic approach if we're going to make America as safe as possible.



You rarely see an interview couch such hopeless inanity in the pretense of not getting an answer to the question, but, what can I say? Couric's a whiz at this. You see the problems coming a mile away when Couric frames the discussion as a response to people "scratching their heads," people "asking why," and people whose "eyebrows" are raised. Such people, of course, do not exist and cannot be named. Tis the beginning of a Straw Man argument, which has sadly become the first resort of many in the press. From there, the line of interrogation is rivetingly unconcerned with substantive analysis of Obama's Iraq War position - it's a silly little trap of false logic, in which Couric attempts to get Obama to admit to the obvious - that 100,000+ troops in Iraq have affected the conditions in the country, and hang a false admission of "Surge" efficicacy around his neck.

Obama seems to understand the trap is being set, but he disappointingly fails to expose it for what it is. In his foreign policy speech, delivered before his trip, Obama did a fine job in differentiating the tactic of the "Surge" as but a thin sliver of tactic within a larger foreign policy strategy that has failed to deliver any of the outcomes that were promised. Even if we could cast the "Surge" as an unqualified success, the overall strategy has netted America four major failures. And within the larger context of a failure to find WMDs, a failure to improve America's security, a failure to thwart or even impede al Qaeda in the wake of 9/11, and a failure to prevent malign regional forces like Iran and Hezbollah from increasing their regional influence, the "Surge" is entirely without relevance - a fourth quarter field goal when you're down four touchdowns.

All of this should have been, and likely is, apparent to Obama, but with Couric, his decision to get Talmudic - to borrow an appropriate term - does him no good at all.

Still, it is Couric who carries the greater malignancy in this exchange, and there's no greater offense than her question, "But talking microcosmically, did the surge, the addition of 30,000 additional troops ... help the situation in Iraq?" WIth that word, microcosm, one can see the main toxin that's embedded in Surge Logic (TM) in high-contrast clarity. That is Couric carrying water for the McCain campaign, attempting to assert that the "Surge" is somehow a "microcosm" of the War in Iraq, the logic being that if we can admit that the "Surge" had any positive effect on the conditions in Iraq, then we must also admit that the War On Iraq was a success.

Against this toxin, Obama needs to come hard with the antidote. Making the Four Failures, outlined above, a central part of the puchback, is an essential first step. Obama would also be well-served to hit back with some Iraq War history - explicating how violence diminished as a result as some pre-Surge events, like the completion of Baghdad's sectarian cleansing, and the Anbar awakening.

And the latter point is critical, because Obama's opponent, John McCain, recently gave an interview in which he either demonstrated a complete lack of awareness of his beloved "Surge" or chose to actively lie about it. The interviewer on that occasion? You got it! KATIE COURIC.

As Ilan Goldenberg wrote, "This is not controversial history. It is history that anyone trying out for Commander in Chief must understand when there are 150,000 American troops stationed in Iraq. It is an absolutely essential element to the story of the past two years. YOU CANNOT GET THIS WRONG."

But McCain did, and Couric didn't offer up any of the same furtive, insistent questioning. The critical difference? Couric's brain is too stuffed full of idiot oppositional talking points and Straw Man arguments to actually know anything about the Iraq War. And that's why the Glory Days of TV News are over.

When Katie Couric told Haaretz that "The glory days of TV news are over," her words framed what looked like a lament, but her recent deeds make them seem like a threat. Her recent interview with Sena...
When Katie Couric told Haaretz that "The glory days of TV news are over," her words framed what looked like a lament, but her recent deeds make them seem like a threat. Her recent interview with Sena...
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- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Katie Couric is a disgrace to journalism's image because now she has slipped into the mire of the "slash and burn" commentators. Maybe she's looking for that scathing limelight so she can reap the rewards of more money like the other redundant "talking heads".

I never liked her because there was something about her style that rubbed me wrong and seemed so insincere. Now I know it was because she really is "insincere". This is just like calling a spade a spade.

She lost her cool when she interviewed BO because she looked so perturbed that she couldn't get him to say the "surge is the word" to give kudos to McCain. And then she went and did the ultimate lie and snipped his interview to take out his real answer. She's nothing but another rethug butt kisser to do something like that and lie to the people. She has shown that she cares nothing for the people she's reporting to.

As such, she deserves exactly what she gets and I hope it's a quick kick in the butt because no one is interested in listening to her news any longer but her regular die hard listeners that's "used" to her dribble.

She has shown again that a female is not the best candidate for that job. You would think a woman would at least tell you the truth. Duh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/30/2008

I am amazed again. I hope the folks blogging here don't represent the liberal or Democratic base. I don't mean the left fringe, I mean the majority of Democrats.
There have been both racial and sexist comments relating to Katy Couric. She is either a racist or a female airhead.
I completely opposed the troop increase in Iraq when it began. I realized the increase came with a dangerous change in strategy that could lead to many more casualties. More soldiers and Marines in harms way (in direct action) means more casualties.
Read Senator Obama's answers with a critical, objective stance. They are political non-answers. He seems to want it both ways - My position would have been better, hence no need to say the situation in Iraq improved due to the increase in troops. Then, there is no way to know what could have happened - my position is a hypothetical.
Well it won't be hypothetical if he is President.
I know the Republicans twist and distort every statement. But say something! For the good of the Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/30/2008
- jubo I'm a Fan of jubo 8 fans permalink
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We have left the Information Age for the Formation Age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 07/30/2008

someone please let me know where katie was wrong here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 07/27/2008

Ms. Couric’s interview was disappointing.
She manuevered (knowingly?) the interview right over into McCain's sweet spot -- the apparent benefit of the surge. Obama had made the point that his own strategic course in the region would have resulted in a better state of affairs, regardless of the fact that the surge probably DID help. By dropping Senator Obama's real point, she gave McCain the opportunity to fire off his tried-and-true attack: that Obama is all wrong about Iraq, and by extension, misunderstands the Middle East.
Katie later asked an odd question to the effect "you are getting pretty frustrated with Senator Obama, aren't you?" And why should he be frustrated? Well, he just got done lamenting how Senator Obama denied that the surge helped (he did?) and that Senator Obama just doesn't get it.
Ms. Couric informed us of the conclusive and impressive changes in Iraq in recent months. O.K.-- but again, Obama did not deny that the surge helped.
The Iraq issue is crucial in this election. Many of us view our policies toward Iraq and the Middle East as ones that trump many other issues combined. The outcome there, in terms of American blood and resources and the lives of millions of civilians in that part of the world, has the attention of those who are determining which candidate will most wisely and adeptly orchestrate our foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 07/30/2008

Katie Couric has had big problems with any Black Male who is successful. It started before Brian Gumble so I have little respect for her interviews I even switched to NBC when she took over the evening news at CBS. I couldn't care less what opinions she holds about anyone. And then her bias towards McCain by leaving out his comments on last weeks news report. What I care about any report on anyone from Katie is less than the value of a dollar today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/27/2008

Was Katie as low academically in her class as McCain was in his? If the US militarily is willing to put huge numbers of troops and billions of dollars into Iraq forever and destroy our own economy, the security situation will improve and our casualties will go down temporarily, as everyone knows better than to directly confront our military.

However while this "surge" went on, Ahmadinejad was received in Baghdad as a hero while US leaders have to sneak into a fortified zone under heavily armed escort. Maliki went to Iran and met with them and called for US troops to get out of Iraq. All leading elements in the new Iraq, Sistani, al Sadr and Maliki paid tribute to Iran. And the Turks bombed the Kurd rebels.

Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees, but McCain and Katie see neither the trees nor the forest. That's why McCain was at the very bottom of his class in war college. What's Katie's excuse, unless she was his equivalent when she went to college?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 07/27/2008

I remember seeing Katie Kouric interview filmaker Michael Moore a few years back after he had voiced his critical opinion about the media's role in their coverage of Iraq. She began the interview by insulting Moore for his attire which included jeans and t-shirt. This is a "professional" journalist and prime-time host berating her guest about his wardrobe - absolutely pathetic! I lost respect for this tv personality after this interview and still get pissed thinking about it - a truly pitiful display.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 07/27/2008

Katie Couric has been a poster child for the left since she first started in TV. My how quickly you guys forget. This is the first time she ever did anything, and I mean anything that the right commends her for.
Those were fair questions, that needed to be asked. I mean, really, listen to the pathetic answers he gave. How could he seriously sit there and try to say that the surge didn't do what it was supposed to do. It just made him look like an idiot.
Personally I can't stand Katie Couric, but this wasn't the reason why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/27/2008
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 70 fans permalink
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How to explain people like Couric?

The climate of egregious greed in this country justifies to the KC's of media that selling your soul is an appropriate and valid thing to do. And then they call themselves christians while they studiously avoid examining their own greed-drenched behaviors.

They're not the "haves" anymore - they're the "Can't have enoughs"

How about it Katie? How low will YOU go?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/27/2008
- CeeLee I'm a Fan of CeeLee 10 fans permalink
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People are "scratching their heads" as to why this overpaid self-indulgent chicknick still has the job as "a news anchor" on any "news" network division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/27/2008

I think simply letting the repubs and msm get away with using the term "surge" is allowing them to frame the debate. Why doesn't Obama simply explain that the so-called "surge" is nothing more than putting more troops in Iraq. Of course your going to achieve your military goals faster with a larger force. Doesn't take a 5 star general to figure that out.

But eventually, they will have to come home and will there be any lasting or meaningful results when that happens?

"The surge" is just a dumbed down, easy-to-swallow way of selling this to the american people that sounds cool and helps them discuss it without talking about the ugly reality that MORE american citizens/soldiers are being forced to put their lives at risk for a benefit that has not realy been defined.

Obama should have called lil' Katie out on this. And democrats need to do a better job of framing this debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/27/2008

This is typical Couric. She is a horrible interviewer. I am surprised she did not use who often repeated catch phrase, "some people say...". She does not deserve to be in the position she is in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/27/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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I say this is much, much worse than "typical Couric", although you're certainly correct. The media is once again complicit in attempting to bamboozle the American public, and Ms. Couric's actions are conscious (or, as conscious as Ms. Couric can muster) and reprehensible. In my humble opinion, such actions by the media are quite literally criminal. Whether they are generally perceived as such in my lifetime is probably doubtful, but the judgments of history will treat the Courics of the media no more kindly than the corrupt policies they support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/27/2008

People are scratching their heads........ trying to figure out how she has a job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/27/2008
- lylo I'm a Fan of lylo 5 fans permalink

No, really! HOW DOES SHE HAVE THIS JOB?! Most women I know are just as pretty and better spoken. Seriously, if I did my job as badly as she did hers, the Dollar General would fire me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 07/27/2008

Ditto...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/27/2008

Sad...the MSM media has allowed McSame/Bush to define what 'success' in Iraq means. While soldiers are still dying , bombs still exploding, walls seperate the Green zone from the rest of Baghdad, shites and sunnis are segregated and this is SUCCSESS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/27/2008
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 45 fans permalink

I am "scratching my head" about not one "newsperson" mentioning the bribes that were paid to the tribes around the time of the surge???? When Obama takes over, there needs to be a complete housecleaning, an audit of EVERY department in the government. Serious money has "disappeared" Someone KNOWS where it went. This invasion of Iraq was a major tragic mistake. Why isn't Georgie being pilloried over this? He will take off for Paraguay and live comfortably for the rest of his miserable life after Jan. He has caused untold misery to people the world over, but still has no trouble sleeping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 07/27/2008

Go, Katie, go. Didn't think you had it in you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/27/2008
- lylo I'm a Fan of lylo 5 fans permalink

What, a brain? Don't worry, she doesn't have one in her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 07/27/2008
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