Obama Berlin Speech: Reagan, Kennedy Comparisons; More Media Reactions

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The Huffington Post   |  Dan Duray/Katharine Zaleski   |   July 24, 2008 03:40 PM



Major news organizations are drawing comparisons between Barack Obama's speech in Berlin today and those of John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. (They were helped along by Obama, whose remarks made several references to the words of the former presidents.) See video and photos from the speech here.

Time magazine:

Saying he had come to Berlin "not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world," presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama on Thursday night gave a soaring address that invoked echoes of the famous speeches in this city in which John F. Kennedy made common cause with Berliners against communist oppression in 1963 and Ronald Reagan called nearly 20 years ago to tear down the Berlin Wall.

ABC News: Headline:

Obama Echoes Reagan in Call for Global Unity: Democratic Contender Calls for Troop Support in Victory Column Address in Berlin

CNN:

Asked whether he looked to Reagan's and Kennedy's Berlin speeches for inspiration, Obama said, "They were presidents. I am a citizen."


"But obviously, Berlin is representative of the extraordinary success of post-World War II effort to bring a continent together, to bring the West together -- East and West together," he said.

Nonetheless, as a youthful Democratic presidential hopeful who has promised change if elected and invoked comparisons with Kennedy, Obama's strategists hope a warm welcome from Germans will play well with voters.

More reactions to Obama's speech:

The UK Times noted that despite a buildup in the German press, which had already hailed Obama as a "political Messiah," the speech met expectations and succeeded in winning over attendees.

If the intended message was to show American voters that he could restore the tarnished image of the US abroad, then the rally - the only such event in his overseas tour - succeeded. Young girls dyed their hair red, white and blue, hand-scrawled placards declaring" President B.O" - most banners were removed by security guards - were held aloft and a few enthusiasts hung vertigously from the lampposts first erected by Nazi town planner Albert Speer.
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The New York Times reports that at least one German official found public reaction to be too positive, given Obama's stance on Iraq and Afghanistan.

The response to Mr. Obama has been so warm that the coordinator for German-American relations in the foreign ministry here, Karsten D. Voigt, has tried to scale back expectations. He reminded Germans in interview after interview that Mr. Obama would have to support positions unpopular with the German public, like a stronger presence engaged in more fighting for the Bundeswehr, the German army, in Afghanistan.


First and foremost, Mr. Obama is popular because he is not Mr. Bush, who is wildly unpopular in Germany. Asked why they support Mr. Obama, his opposition to the Iraq War usually comes up first.

When reached for comment on the campaign trail, John McCain offered a somewhat rambling criticism of the speech:

"I'd love to give a speech in Germany ... a political speech or a speech that maybe the German people would be interested in, but I'd much prefer to do it as president of the United States rather than as a candidate ... for the office of presidency," McCain told reporters in Ohio.

McCain later said that he'd prefer to wait until he was elected president before speaking in another country, another odd criticism given that McCain spoke in Canada as recently as June. A spokesman for the McCain campaign later issued a more lucid criticism of the speech.

"While Barack Obama took a premature victory lap today in the heart of Berlin, proclaiming himself a 'citizen of the world,' John McCain continued to make his case to the American citizens who will decide this election," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement. "Barack Obama offered eloquent praise for this country, but the contrast is clear. John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it."

However, as The New York Observer points out, Obama's trip has been a boon for him in the polls.

Still, perception of a trip has been the cause of some hand wringing on the web. Noam Scheiber at The New Rupublic's "The Stump" blog wondered how the speech will be received by swing voters.

I worry that the combination of the visual and some of the rhetoric--"Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen--a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world"--was a little too post-nationalist for the typical American swing-voter. I'm not sure you win the presidency without being seen as an unambiguous nationalist.


It wasn't the speech per se--which, as I say, was perfectly calibrated. It was the impression a voter might get from a stray line or two, against the backdrop of a hundred thousand adoring Germans, that makes me slightly queasy.

Marc Ambinder at The Atlantic defended the speech, however, as have others.

What's so bad about Germans cheering an American, especially when the visuals were stunning. Hundreds of American flags, waving. 200,000 Berliners cheering an American presidential candidate.


A short speech, mostly, carrying the message that animates Obama's presidency:

The message of the speech was the common values that unite the citizens of the world. Obama's Berlin is a shining beacon of hope to the world, "where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is so challenge too great for a world that stands as one."

The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza summarized the speech nicely.

It shouldn't be terribly surprising that Obama delivered a powerful speech on the world stage. After all, this is a guy whose candidacy was launched by his address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 and propelled at crucial times (particularly his address on race after the Rev. Wright scandal) by his oratorical abilities. Obama's gift for public speaking, however, should not take away from the degree of difficulty of the speech he just delivered. While there appears to be some early criticism of Obama's decision to re-use his "this is our moment" line, the Illinois senator seemed to generally dodge the various problems that the speech posed without breaking a sweat (although he did awkwardly wipe his brow at one point.) The speech was neither a dry foreign policy address nor a campaign-centric talk -- either of which would have left Obama open to criticism. It was serious without being stultifyingly boring and global in view and without being overly solicitous of Europe.

Like many commentators, Talking Points Memo found that the speech had the right balance of patriotism and humility.

"I know my country has not perfected itself." The line, again, has a hint of a plea; he's asking Europe to forgive America the sins of the Bush years, while insisting that there's nothing incompatible whatsoever between patriotic love of America and caring what the rest of the world thinks of us.

And really, this brings us right back to his candidacy. In a sense, the message of his very presence in Berlin is this: If slavery is the ultimate national sin, then the fact that he's running for president, and very well may win, and is promising the rest of the world a better America if he does win -- well, then all of this would achieve some sort of movement in the direction of that perfection that stubbornly continues to elude us.
Major news organizations are drawing comparisons between Barack Obama's speech in Berlin today and those of John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. (They were helped along by Obama, whose remarks made seve...
Major news organizations are drawing comparisons between Barack Obama's speech in Berlin today and those of John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. (They were helped along by Obama, whose remarks made seve...
 
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I think it was a pointless speech. Apparently, most of the German politicians think so as well. The Berlin thing is a done deal; he should have given a speech on something fresher, say regarding Tibet independence or the Sudan genocide, etc. He could have perhaps made a difference as Reagan did in asking the Berlin Wall be torn down. Any number of terrible situations in the world but he took the easy route and spoke before a rock concert crowd. How brave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 07/28/2008

Obama continually attempts to bring up images of Regan and Kennedy. He doesn't measure up to either of them, either in potential or - most certainly - in accomplishment. Frankly, I find him an embarrassment - and I used to be an avid supporter. The longer it goes on, the more shallow he reveals himself to be , and the less equiped to deal with the real issues of the job - which is a lot different than pushing voting blocs around. But those of you who are inclined to vote for him, remember: you are commiting us to 8, not 4 years, because Obama's first agenda item will be to get a second term. And the one thing we do know about him is that he is good at manipulation and engineering an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/27/2008
- Stefan Sirucek - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Stefan Sirucek permalink

"....and a few enthusiasts hung vertigously from the lampposts first erected by Nazi town planner Albert Speer."

Here are those guys:

http://picasaweb.google.com/stefanhuffpost/ObamaInBerlin/photo#5227775427964909826

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 07/27/2008

Nifty to see that - thanks. Nice use of A. Speer's lampposts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 07/27/2008

"I'd love to give a speech in Germany ... a political speech or a speech that maybe the German people would be interested in, but I'd much prefer to do it as president of the United States rather than as a candidate ... for the office of presidency," McCain told reporters in Ohio.

No doubt. There's no risk in making a speech if you're already the president is there ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/27/2008

In Cape Town, this morning, the headlines for the biggest daily read:

"OBAMA WOWS WORLD"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/25/2008

THOSE POLLS ARE FIX. OBAMA HAS 90% OF THE BLACK VOTE ,60%OF THE LATINO,40% WHITE SO HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THESE POLLS CLOST.I GUESS CRYIN MEDIA BIAS WORKS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 07/25/2008
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He was nervous, made a lot of verbal mistakes. I was on the edge watching him, but he recovered from most of them. A difficult speech to make (i.e. what's the point?), but ultimately successful.

What a great mind, what a deserving person. I hope America can reward itself with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/25/2008

Why do I feel the MSM is trying to brainwash us with the idea that the polls are closer than they really are? If so, why can't McCain draw anyone to any of his events? Not all of them are ashamed of showing support for him because they can't vote for a man of color. Perhaps the electronic voting fix is already in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 07/25/2008

We'd better be thinking about that!! Mc & the repubs are too smug!! I've said it before ... is this really the person RNC presents as a presidential hopeful!!?? It's too surreal!

As far as these polls MSM is bringing ... their candidate, their media, their polls!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 07/25/2008
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But there's REAL HOPE on the horizon:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4951

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Quote:
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Looks like, Diebold is digging it's own grave, actually!

Heeehaaa!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 07/25/2008

Polls can be skewed however the poller wantys them to be, its all about who is asking, how they phrase the question, and who you ask the question to. As long as the "polls" appear close, they can steal the election with electronic voting machines.

I am and will continue to be cynical of every poll provided to us by the MSM which has been trying to sidetrack O's candidacy since he started to show signs that he can win the presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 07/25/2008

This has nothing to do with color. I do not want to pay more taxes. Barack needs to put people to work -where is the plan? I have as much experience as Obama-but if I had a mass of socialist staffers behind me-preparing specces, ect, we could all run. He is nothing but a empty suit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/25/2008

FACTS ABOUT OBAMA: Posted 04:21 PM on 07/25/2008 by larstein on HP: "Barack Obama graduated in the top 1% "Magna cum Laude" from Harvard Law and was elected the first black President in the history of the Harvard Law Review. What is so surprising about this whole story is that Barack Obama didn"t even have a famous Admiral or President as a Father to rely on. This is truly what the American dream is all about! I believe that Barack Obama is without a doubt the obvious choice on having the highest IQ.

John McCain graduated the 894TH person out of 899 students, fifth from the bottom at the U.S. Naval Academy but when he was asked by a reporter he claimed that he was the first person in history to have gotten a perfect score on the U.S. Naval Academy entry examine. If so, there is no doubt in my mind that he had to have gotten previous. knowledge of the test with the help of his father. This is some serious stuff

FACTS, FACTS .............................. "

Here is a link to a list of Obama's activities so far as senator:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

There isn't an empty suit here, but you made some vacuous assertions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/26/2008

Who are doing this polls? And who are they asking? I mean--people really are taking a break from politics especiallly college students (Vacation) This election haven't started until the convention.

It amazed me how some of the media is now thinking that it was a bad idea for Obama to speak in Berlin. When McCain spoke in Canada--go figure.

Now Obama can't even visit the wounded troop in Germany because of the gov't policies. Isn't Obama a senator?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 07/25/2008

Perhaps they are accurate and you have been brainwashed by the hype. I'm not saying that is so (please take it with a grain of salt), but it's more likely that the polls are fairly accurate.

While the presidency certainly is a popularity context literally, I don't think we should draw too much from who shows up for live performances. The Greatful Dead regularly had one of the top 3 attendance ratings for live shows each year but one could hardly call them the most popular band of the last thirty years. Maybe Obama supporters are more history-minded or just more committed to seeing him live. My $0.02.

And I would add in response your take on McCain's supporters, not all of Obama's supporters are shamed into voting *for* him because he is a man of color.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 07/28/2008

Does the Pentagon (ordered by Bu$h, Inc.) deny O his senatorial right to visit our troops in Germany?? Most probably .... damn right!! Repubs continue to treat O, a US sentator in disparate manners. Reportedly, a Pentagon representative states that O would not be visiting the troops in German hospital, and he didn't know why!! Liar, liar!

In the meantime, Mc's attendance in a bar represents more than O's presidential representation yesterday in Germany!! Sure, some MSM ... but, haven't we had enough already of seemngly alcohol induced representation!!????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 07/25/2008
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Gladys,

as critical as I am about the US-military - but I don't think they sabotaged a senator's right to visit american troopa abroad. They wouldn'r DARE.

I rather think, BO has used the "free" time to meet people, to make contact, to make friends for the future - which, in this instance, might have been the more important thing to do.

McPain to me resembles more and more the evil leprechaun in the Holliwood-Marvel-movie "The Fawn". I see him already before me, wearing a badly applied clown's face, a green wig, a yellow suit and huge shoes, parading over a stage from left to right and back, yelling: "I AM YOUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF! OBEY TO THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF!"

RAAAAAAAAH...!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 07/25/2008

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Too funny!

But, did you notice just how suddenly the Pentagon (memo instructions from Condi) gave O no US embassy respects as they had to Mc! And, why wouldn't the Patagon representative responding state "I don't know why" ... that's lame, especially if you're trying to prove no involvement in "denying" O's visit to that German hospital! Reportedly, O's response was that the visit would be "inappropriate" ... actually, I think that's the operative word used by the Pentagon to deny O's visit!!

Anyway, I agree with some pundits who say that the American people are adored around the world ... it's this disgusting (to say the least) Bu$h, Inc. foreign policies and his administration that the world loathes ... and justifiably so ... that administration is responsible for the deaths of soooo many and the destruction of the infrastructure of a soverign nation!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 07/25/2008

"why would the Pentagon state ..."

Correction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 07/25/2008

Obama is Hope personified......a new day breaking. McCain is another prince of
darkness and despair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 07/25/2008

this is the kind of over the top hyperbole that has a growing segment of the country wondering if we have a candidacy...or a cult! the most successful and accomplished administration could NEVER match up to they hyperinflated hopes and visions of the obamanite faithful...the hangover and letdown is likely to be intense

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 07/25/2008

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/an-obama-panora.html

Saw this panorama view of the 250,000 people listening to Obama in Germany, it is awesome!
Check out this link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 07/25/2008

" McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement. "Barack Obama offered eloquent praise for this country, but the contrast is clear. John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it.
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Doesn't this sounds very familiar? Remember Hillary's "I have a life time of service,john McCain has a life time of service,and barack has a speech he gave in 2002"

The McCain team is truly running a Hillary Campaign,even though it failed s miserably. I mean ,there's nothing wrong with copying,but copy a winning formula.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 07/25/2008
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Failure you can Xerox. HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/25/2008

the hillary campaign did not fail miseralbly. she had basically the exact same amount of votes as Obama. if it were an electoral college campaign it would not have been an O landslide. I garuntee that McCain will run a hillary campaign as he rightly should. All those criticisms hillary made of obama are going to be played back verbatim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/25/2008

I guess Obama wont be picking John Edwards to be VP anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 AM on 07/25/2008

I was waiting on someone to comment on his news this week. . . the love child. I tried to post a link to an article about it but the HuffPo's Big Brother made it disappear to never, never land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 07/25/2008

"Sekoffed" as I like to say..................must not have raved about the o-man

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/26/2008
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I have seen every interview with 0bama and McBush this week in the MSM.

With McBush it goes like this why doesn't 0bama admit the surge worked and related questions? No one asks McBush how he is going to "win" the war or even if the war was worth fighting in the first place? No one asks McBush about the increased violence in Afghanistan. About the worse question he gets is why does Maliki now support a time line or horizon or whatever they call it. Not one reporter has made him face his own words that he said in 2004 that we should leave when the Iraqis tell us to leave. No one says is it unpresidential to accuse you opponent of not wanting to win the war in Iraq.

With 0bama it's why won't you admit the surge worked when it's obvious? Would you support the surge now? No one even asks what he thinks of Maliki's government of saying we should be out by 2010.

I'm telling you people the MSM is eating into the talking point of the right. Now the favorite talking point in the media is something like this. Is the media being fair covering 0bama's trip so much. When I say McBush getting his traditional free pass from the media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 07/25/2008
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After the Great(ed) Cheeze explanation of the "surge".... I hope they never ask his maverickyness anything again!

I agree.... it has been like Invasion of the Body/Mind Snatchers....... the media gives the maverick a free pass, and have nothing nice to really say about O......... I tend to agree with Groucho on the fact that the media needs a race.... for ratings sake...... come November the truth will become self evident..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 07/25/2008

you have GOT to be kidding...the press has been kissing obama's butt since day one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 07/25/2008
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It's very frustrating isn't it? The MSM has a huge interest in keeping this close, and an interest in a Repug getting into the WH as well,

O'bama is still going to win anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 07/25/2008

That is because the MSM has become largely irrelevant and is seeking to reassert itself with this (however impotent) display of muscle flexing. They have to demomstrate that they still have the power to influence the outcome of events.

The only audience left for the MSM are those so-called "low information" voters. For the rest of us, the world has changed because of the Internet and our ability to communicate at zoom-zoom speed across international lines. We actively search for information and seek to keep abreast of current events and opinions.

Perhaps the reason the MSM is so sympathetic to John McCain is that they've become, in large part, like John McCain. And America has no need for either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 07/25/2008
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7-25 TALKING POINTS



BO speech lacked substance,no policy, what was the purpose of that speech.

The surge worked, why won't BO admit it.?

McCheesey has been talking policy all week no coverage.MSM in for BO

A. Mitchell should be on point @ noon....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 07/25/2008
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He was supposed to outline policy to Germans? Yikes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 07/25/2008
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Talking points before coffee? Give a girl a break!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 07/25/2008

The slighest accuracy you bring IS .... Mc has been talking policy all week, yeppers, that same old Bu$h, Inc. mess! Otherwise, he's been following O around like a lost puppy!!

O' speech was not supposed to bring US presidential policy to foreign soil ... his was to bring respect between friends once again ... surely "some" people understand that ... O certainly did! that's why O is so much more smarter than Mc!! And, so much more qualified for POTUS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/25/2008

MSM is in the tank for the establishment and McCain is their man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/25/2008
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Be glad, DARPA once invited the internet (Or was that AL...?) 8-)

Without the internet, O.b.a.m.a. wouldn't even be the nominee of the Democratic Party, now. And the Internet will also provide the only voices of reason which will, in the end, help him get elected.

I am convinced that, the MSM, as well as the right-wingers, actually HATE the free internet like the PLAGE.

But my greatest FEAR actually is, that the free internet will disappear one day soon - once somebody like Murdoch will have accumulated enough money and credit, so as to buy every existing internet-provider and, declare the internet his property, to which only

a. news have access, which are approved by him; and

b. people have access, who pay for every single dot (while constantly being monitored... -

thus providing a total, complete and, irreversible mind-control over people. I am absolutely convinced that, behind the scenes, there are already forces planning and preparing such a scenario.

The only force that has kept them from doing so until now, may have been the recent collapse of the financial institutions worldwide - thus rendering them unable to supply the huge heaps of credit neccessary to conquer the net, yet.

But the resurrection of the big banks and financiers wil only be a question of time. We may have won a few more precious years of a free internet by sheer coincidence. But this situation will not prevail for ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 07/25/2008
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How very pessimistic of you.... would you give this up so easily? I have a feeling the net will always exist in some form or another....... they will never be able to control all of it... how can you completely control something that is so honestly ambiguous..... In the past there have been those who have tried to control the voice of the people, and still.... somehow... the people are eventually heard...

On a lighter note..... Wasn't that a nice speech to an absolutely huge crowd!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 07/25/2008

Hey, that is a real possibility ... However, with a proper government in place, an Obama administration, I doubt very seriously whether or not the regulatory agencies would allow that kind of monopoly to exist!! Mudock would be up against a hugh legal battle .... hopefully!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 07/25/2008

anyone who thinks the internet is somehow more pure than the MSM is seriously deluded...the internet provides more QUANTITY...the QUALITY is questionable...i'm not so sure that much critical thinking takes place in the 'echo chamber' of partisan websites, any more than i believe that faux news is 'fair and balanced'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 07/25/2008
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Well, I'm off to try all the suggestions here to fix my ailing Mac. Thank you all very much.
I wish you a GN, Gute Nacht or Guten Morgen and a hearty Oyasumi nasai. Now the fun
begins because I don't know what I'm doing, if I'm not back at the same time tonight, I've
crashed my computer and will have to beg hubby for a new one. Wish me luck. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 07/25/2008
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Luck!!! *sends you air kisses from America*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 07/25/2008
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Good night! Pleasant dreams!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 07/25/2008

Good night to you dear.... and best of luck! You don't need to ask for a new computer... if it gets that bad just take it to the Apple store and tell them to wipe the hard drive clean and start over... much cheaper than buying a new Mac...... : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 07/25/2008
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Anoushka sends kisses to Ollie as well..... : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 07/25/2008

Is it under warrantee? If it is just take it to Apple. If they find that the problem is to hard to fix they might give you a new one.

Kalimasan mo Oyasumi nasai.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 07/25/2008
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