Two Gallup Polls, One Day: McCain And Obama Both Ahead?

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First Posted: 07-28-08 06:55 PM   |   Updated: 08- 5-08 05:12 AM

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Today, the Gallup polling firm was for Barack Obama's lead over John McCain before they were against it.

If that sounds complicated, it's only the beginning. Early Monday, Gallup released the latest of its daily tracking polls, which showed Obama holding an eight point lead over John McCain 48-40. Then, at the close of business, Gallup revealed results of its co-effort with USA Today, in which -- gasp! -- John McCain was shown to have a four-point lead over Obama.

In the latter instance, the metric being evaluated was one near and dear to the hearts of pollsters, the "likely voter." In the earlier poll that showed Obama ahead, Gallup merely surveyed registered voters.

Obama partisans would perhaps point out that the Illinois Democrat's entire campaign is based on drawing new voters -- or "unlikely voters" in the parlance of pollsters -- into in the political process. Many observers have taken the record-breaking turnout from the Democrats' primary season as empirical evidence of an unusual enthusiasm among rank and file voters on that side of the partisan divide.

Which makes investigating the Gallup/USA Today "likely voter" statistics all the more odd. Besides its rare finding of a McCain lead, almost all of the voters deemed "unlikely" to turn out just so happened to be Obama voters.

Emory Univeristy political scientist Alan Abramowitz broke it down for the Huffington Post. Noting that out of the 900 voter sample surveyed by Gallup/USA Today, the pollsters deemed 791 of those individuals to be "likely" ones, and it is their responses which make up the 49-45 figure that immediately got coverage on MSNBC's Hardball.

By contrast, the full 900 person sample of registered voters polled by USA Today showed Obama with a 47-44 lead. So what about those 109 unlikely voters? According to Abramowitz, "among your 109 unlikely voters, according to Gallup, Obama leads McCain by a whopping 61 percent to 7 percent. Putting it another way, according to Gallup 16 percent of registered Obama supporters are unlikely to vote compared with only 2 percent of registered McCain supporters."

Meanwhile, Gallup's independent tracking poll is conducted with an entirely different -- and larger -- sample of 3,000 voters.

And Abramowitz notes that this isn't the first time Gallup has courted controversy in calculating "likely" voters. "Eight years ago the Gallup organization got in hot water for using a likely voter screen several weeks before Election Day that produced wild fluctuations in candidate preference. At one point, the Gallup tracking poll went from an 8 point Gore lead to an 11 point Bush lead in three days. Of course, this was nonsense. The wild swings in the tracking poll were almost entirely caused by the likely voter screen. Those results were not to be believed. And neither are these."

Jeff Jones of the Gallup Poll pushes back on Abramowitz's critique of their joint USA Today poll by noting that the voter model "assumes a 60 percent voter turnout of national adults. The likely voter sample is weighted to match this assumption, so the weighted sample size of likely [voters] is 604."

Therefore, Jones says Obama's lead among "unlikely voters" is merely 51 percent to 21 percent.

Still, that's a huge margin. And it begs the question: How useful is it to try to estimate, 100 days out from the election, which registered voters are likely to vote -- especially when they favor one candidate so dramatically?

Today, the Gallup polling firm was for Barack Obama's lead over John McCain before they were against it. If that sounds complicated, it's only the beginning. Early Monday, Gallup released the latest ...
Today, the Gallup polling firm was for Barack Obama's lead over John McCain before they were against it. If that sounds complicated, it's only the beginning. Early Monday, Gallup released the latest ...
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- Jessegirl I'm a Fan of Jessegirl 49 fans permalink

Obama is ahead almost always. So why is this bad? McCain is the one who's been around Washington for 30 years...long hisory (including a HEROIC military service)....long record...his PRIOR record as a Maverick against Bush (but that was then of course) and the "talking heads" have spun these "good news" polls as if we have nothing to smile over. Like the black guy, who came out of no where, with that name and different image...the ONUS is on him to be 20 points ahead!!! Talking heads say that it is the "rockstar image" and positive media that should make him so far ahead...Oh really?...What ever happened to "America's favourite man" Rudy Guilliani?.....or the "soon to be next Regean" Mr. Law and Order turned politician...or what about the Clintons!!!...That "rockstar" image doesn't make a President obviously....This relatively new, appealing, smart, Democratic black man is beating long known Washington Biggies....that is GREAT NEWS!!!!
After McCain's long history and sevice to the country WHY DON"T THEY ASK HIM:

What is it about you that Ameicans clearly are not trusting?
Why can't you close the deal after your loooooooooong record against a new guy?
Why can't YOU McCAIN close the deal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 07/29/2008
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It seems pretty obvious that you can pick and choose voters in your sample to reflect the outcome you are looking for. State by state polls DO NOT show this race to be as close as the Gallup/USA Today poll of "likely" voters. Gallup itself has admitted that using "likely voters" this far out is a poor measurement of election results in November. So the question becomes... Why in the hell are they doing it? The answer must lie in the CBS radio story today which stated that according to the Gallup poll of likely voters the Obama trip overseas did not result in a bump for him in the polls. Funny that the Gallup poll showing a nine point lead was never mentioned. So whose interest is served by pushing this narrative?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 07/29/2008
- Quotidien I'm a Fan of Quotidien 6 fans permalink
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Obama-Kaine 2008?

Yes we Kaine !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/29/2008
- Hillrick I'm a Fan of Hillrick 130 fans permalink
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If McCain's campaign wasn't running scared I might have little concern over poll numbers. When he is throwing everything he can just to see what works, the desperation is just too obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/29/2008
- pixy242a I'm a Fan of pixy242a 2 fans permalink

Did any of these polls include Bob Barr and Nader?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/29/2008

It is to the advantage of the (cable) news networks to play up a close presidential horse race- gets viewers involved and excited, n'est-ce-pas?
These (ever-changing from day to day) polls are used as ammunition for pundits who want to make their point, back their candidate, excite the viewership.
There were three polls discussed this AM on morning joe- which would you guess was the one they talked about constantly? Yep, the one with McCain ahead... the daily tracking poll with Obama ahead by 8+ they barely referred to.
Buchanan went back to his stump analysis of Obama by proclaiming "he can't close the deal, why can't he close the sale?", the same twitter that he disgorged all through the latter part of the Obama/Clinton primary race.
I yearn for quality journalism on TV/Radio, I salivate for it, would give a lung for it. The closest I find is PBS/NPR and they strive so mightily for neutrality that often they neutralise my interest in their product: factual but dry, dry, dry.
Olberman comes closest to what I like but he's perhaps a little too one-sided. (Not much though...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/29/2008
- StevieRae I'm a Fan of StevieRae 19 fans permalink
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Can't wait for the Olympics. The cables are besides themselves; they're not going to be able to play your great description of the daily game: "to use polls as ammunition for their pundits to make their point, back their candidate and excite the viewership!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/29/2008
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 67 fans permalink
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I recall that just before election 2004, the polls indicated the same sort of wild disparity. I think it was used at the time to create the illusion of a possibility of a surprising swing -actually midnight tabulator vote theft- in the count. It worked. Kerry didn't even challenge the obviously doctored numbers after an incredible swing of four + points-all within minutes of midnight on election night.

I never trust Gallup or any poll that consistently favors the Corporate candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/29/2008

To Obamaniacs everywhere, your saint should be much further ahead than he is. Why is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/29/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 268 fans permalink
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Another ray-of-sunshine comment to brighten our day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 07/29/2008

With a headline like this, it is hard to believe any poll numbers you hear these days.
Would not surprise me to find out that they are just making up the numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/29/2008
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 13 fans permalink

I did my own poll and found two former Republicans who are now Democrats who CAMPAIGNED FOR OBAMA in PA. AND WHO HAVE FREE OBAMA BUTTONS.

GOTV ( Get Out The Vote) for OBAMA by volunteering in your community. Go to Barack Obama's website for more info.

Also, get your FREE OBAMA BUTTON at Moveon.org.

OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/29/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 72 fans permalink
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Lucky you. You know some of the "smart ones." Unfortunately the ones I know mostly still don't get it. (and I live in CA - near SF)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 07/29/2008
- rudiy I'm a Fan of rudiy 3 fans permalink

To all the Hillary/Bill haters, without them helping and you Obama haters telling them to jump off, you better be prepared for all close election. Popular vote polls are not really that meaningful. Remember it is not popular vote, it is Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan where working class support is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/29/2008
- bwither I'm a Fan of bwither 64 fans permalink
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Someone else might have said, but I'll go ahead and pose this question to everyone, since it's significant.

Do we vote for president as ONE NATION or as 50 STATES?

National poling may appear close, but, the state-by-state races are trending towards an Obama landslide comparable to LBJ vs. Goldwater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 07/29/2008
- Wilbur I'm a Fan of Wilbur 25 fans permalink

We vote as 50 individual states. We are NOT a democracy, but rather a democratic republic. If that sounds schizophrenic, it is.....and we ARE!!!

Wilbur

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/29/2008
- poropo I'm a Fan of poropo 3 fans permalink

i can never believe gallup, rasmussen, fox and newsweek. come on if obama is leading in, wa,ca,or,nv,co,nm,mn,la,wi,il,mi,in,oh,va,pa,ny,vt,nh,me,ma,ri,ct,nj,de,md, and dc, which total electoral vote of 322 that means obama is +6 to +7.
pls dont mind all this republicans taking points there just what to cos controvers... and gaff which i believe on election day motana,fl, ga and nc will go to obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/29/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

Can never believe them, but a lot of folks on this site sure have been quoting them lately. Now all the elitist dems on this site can rant about how utterly stupid the populous is. However, maybe they should consider the folks can see what's coming down the line if they put this guy in office. can't fool all of the people all of the time dems, sorry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/29/2008
- Concerned1 I'm a Fan of Concerned1 2 fans permalink

It boggles the mind that FOX News posted poll numbers on Tuesday to show whether he got a bounce from his overseas trip when Obama did not return until the end of the week. POLLS DON'T WORK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 07/29/2008
- dwt I'm a Fan of dwt 19 fans permalink
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IF the race is so close - which seemingly is incomprehensible given the complete and utter disaster of the the Bush Administration, and what should be a massive repudiation of continuing in the same direction with the same party - there is an explanation:

Never underestimate the stupidity of a population which voted G.W. Bush into office for a second term, and the inherent racism of a population which will not vote for a clearly and infinitely superior candidate because of his race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 07/29/2008
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

This is why Obama will lose. you both share an elites disdain for this country and its people. You BELIEVE that you have all the answers to the world's problems. You cannot debate but can only insult. The American people sense that in Obama.

He will lose because he is a horrible candidate. The weakest candidate that the Democrats could ever nominate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/29/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

Tell it brother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/29/2008
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 45 fans permalink
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How much do McCain's shoes cost again???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 08/03/2008
- Chris I'm a Fan of Chris 12 fans permalink

So anyone who does not vote for Obama is a racist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/29/2008
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