Kaine Spurs Curiosity (And Groans) Among Progressives

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First Posted: 07-30-08 12:34 PM   |   Updated: 08- 7-08 05:12 AM

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Tim Kaine - once considered the third most likely Virginian to be a Democratic VP contender - has now apparently ascended onto Barack Obama's short list. The Virginia governor, in the midst of his first term, brings natural appeal to the ticket. Both he and Obama are youthful graduates of Harvard Law School who have lived abroad and espouse a definitively 'new-politics' type ethos. And Kaine's geographic pull could prove pivotal in securing the White House.

But the downsides of his selection were also quickly made evident. After news of Kaine's VP prospects became public, the reaction from Obama backers on the web was a mix of curiosity and disappointment.

American Prospect writer Ezra Klein noted that a key qualification for Kaine was "his actual record in Virginia, which folks seem to suggest is pretty good, but which I know relatively little about." Others were less kind. Choosing Kaine would "signal that Obama has no intention to govern as a progressive," wrote Chris Bowers on OpenLeft.com. "As such, it would be difficult to muster up enthusiasm to work for the ticket." Mellisa McEwan of Shakesville described herself as "decidedly unthrilled."

Foreign policy issues, perhaps surprisingly, may be the least problematic. Kaine was not in Congress when the Iraq war was launched and his office says that he opposed the justifications for the invasion. Since then, moreover, the governor has been an outspoken critic of the way the Bush administration has handled the National Guard and has personally visited troops in the field.

But even his staffers fess up to the fact that he needs to flesh out his positions.

"I don't know that he has ever commented on that on the record," said Delacey Skinner, the governor's communications director, when asked for Kaine's take on the surge. "He felt that there was a clear point in time earlier in the war when Rumsfeld shut down what was being recommended to him in terms of troop levels. Obviously when you have more troops on the ground they are going to be in better control of what is going on." As for now: "he does support Senator Obama's plan to get out."

While a short resume on international affairs doesn't help Obama, it is the view progressives hold of Kaine's domestic agenda that could be more of a irritant. Even before news of a possible VP choice broke, environmentalists were expressing chagrin over Kaine's records; specifically his backing of a Dominion coal plant in Wise County and his support for partially lifting the federal moratorium on offshore drilling.

Objections were raised about Kaine's pro-life policies as well. As governor, Kaine supported a ban on partial-birth abortion and once said that his overarching position on the matter was in line with President Bush, a stance to which female voters aren't likely to warm.

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"I can't think of a better way to further alienate female voters who are sitting on the fence than to pick someone who isn't at least as women's issues-friendly as Obama himself," opined a columnist on Daily Kos.

For others, however, it wasn't simply that Kaine has moral qualms with abortion - he cites his Catholic faith as the backbone of his opposition to the death penalty and stem cell research as well. It is that, in office, he hasn't proven principled in these stances. Citing the preeminence of state law, Kaine has signed off on several executions. In one memorable moment, a death row inmate asked his guards to "tell the governor he just lost my vote" on the eve of his lethal injection.

"He is non progressive on these issues," said Ben Tribbet, who writes about Virginia politics for the website, Not Larry Sabato. "A lot of people think he is hollow. When he ran as a pro-life candidate but would not change abortion law.... Then he says I'm also against the death penalty but then when people support it he says he will sign death warrants. Then on stem cell research he says I'm pro-life. He will execute people despite his moral objections but he won't allow stem cell research? He just won't take a principled stand..."

There are, it should be noted, deeply personal dynamics to each of these issues that help explain Kaine's positions. During his pre-politics career, he represented death row inmates as an attorney. And as governor he commuted sentences including that of a triple murderer who was deemed too mentally impaired to comprehend he was about to die.

"He has talked about himself as a good government results oriented person," said Skinner when asked to label her boss' ideological leanings. "If you go out there and look at blogs and what people have said about him you will find people who say he is too conservative and too liberal, who say he is a centrist. What I would say is that his first question is: 'is this the right policy?'"

An illustrative example of this philosophical maxim, Kaine proponents say, is his policy on gun ownership. While Kaine ran on as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, after the brutal school shooting at Virginia Tech he came out in favor of more restrictions on gun show sales and concealed weapons. The incident is often cited as emblematic of effective executive leadership. The governor immediately upended an overseas trip, traveled back to the Blacksburg campus and delivered a widely praised speech at the school's convocation. Later that week, on a popular evangelical show "Hour of Power," Kaine was interrupted by Rev. Robert Schuller:

"Governor," the Reverend said, "I want to tell you that I am a specialist in sensing and seeing Christ coming through personalities and lives and voices, and I see Him in your eyes..."

And yet, courage under crisis and the ability to appeal to divergent communities may not be enough for Kaine to placate progressive concerns. And political observers are skeptical that Kaine would drastically expand Obama's Virginia reach. While the governor currently has an approval rating of 57% according to an April 2008 Survey USA poll, his candidacy did not play particularly well in Appalachia.

As such, several observers wondered aloud to the Huffington Post whether the floating of Kaine's name was done as a smokescreen: an attempt to test the waters for a running mate that might not, in reality, be so high on the list. But despite the skepticism and the progressive concerns, there seems to be an emerging consensus that Kaine is well regarded within the Obama circle. And, in the end, a shared ethos, a fond relationship, and the potential for traction in Virginia may prove too much for the presumptive Democratic candidate to ignore.

"Obama has realized that a modern Vice President practically lives with the Chief Executive, especially in times of crisis," wrote Larry Sabato, a professor at the University of Virginia who has followed Kaine's career since 1994. And Obama "wants someone he can trust completely."

Tim Kaine - once considered the third most likely Virginian to be a Democratic VP contender - has now apparently ascended onto Barack Obama's short list. The Virginia governor, in the midst of his fir...
Tim Kaine - once considered the third most likely Virginian to be a Democratic VP contender - has now apparently ascended onto Barack Obama's short list. The Virginia governor, in the midst of his fir...
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Tim Kaine endorsed Joe Lieberman for president in 2004--over both John Edwards and John Kerry.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/1/124947/9116

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 08/03/2008

In my job, spoke to women in PA. - one 73-first time not voting. Other, 80, voting Mc- Cain- Hopes Hillary runs 2012.
Two votes lost.
How many seniors are out there like that?!

First lady worked coal mines 30 yrs. Said world NEEDS a woman, but to pick ANOTHER woman is just like a man- thinking ANY will do.
Second lady sees McCain as YOUNG with MORE experience. AND four years goes faster and faster.
She says young people talk about "baggage"." So Bill messed around... look at IRaq? I ask you, what's worse? Kids forget we had a surplus, gas was low and in all my years, Clinton was one of the best. They could only help. Young people don't have the maturity to get along. Obama has to think what's best for country. If he can't see it in his VP pick, has to go to all these advisors, how is he going to run the country? Clintons are smart enough to work with him. "

So, he picks pretty boy Bayh or Sibelisub,(not) sugar Kaine, or Biden.

Personally, of the persons with greater testosterone, I like Biden. ( but remember Iowa- and he has some gaffes)

The best PERSON - Hillary.
21st century. its time. A young, globally, charismatic leader with the accompaniment of mature,strong, female taskmaster.
(Frankly, Bill? In home training in dealing w/ big egos.)

(Sadly, 50% of PERSONS- in life- choose the wrong mate first time out.)

They LOSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 08/01/2008
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I personally believe the VP pick will be Clinton. I think Obama is pump faking the press and the PUMAs to shake those rats off his neck. He might even have Hillary herself fooled. But in the end I think he'll choose Senator Clinton. For the record I am for Biden, but Clinton's okay as VP as far as I'm concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 07/31/2008

How Obama-Kaine spells President McCain:

never mind that Kaine is a virtual unknown, or that he'd drain what's left of the progressive aspirations of Obama's base. i'll give you a much simpler reason. please say the following ten times fast:

Obama - Kaine
Obama-Kaine
ObamaKaine
ObaMaKaine
Oba - MaKaine

anyone? am i the only brilliant toys-R-us kid around here?

names are quite the hot topic this election season aren't they? there is an election this season isn't there? with Senator Osama bin... I mean Saddam Hussein Obama being our only potential salvation from the Bush years, in a country where it's commonplace to note that name recognition is the most determinative electoral factor--when have names mattered more than they do this election season?

there is an election isn't there?

great advertisement for the McCain CamPaign no matter which ticket is being praised by which pundit.

folks, will we really have Ma-Kaines on both tickets? oh, i know... Obama should pick McCain as his running mate. the blogosphere will bitch and moan no matter what. environmentalist fundamentalists... never satisfied.... but think about it, Obama will avoid the whole trademark dilution thing from a Oba MaKaine ticket, continue to make inroads into Mississippi.

Plus, don't forget about the 3 million cracks in McCain's glass ceiling.... perhaps the glass sliding door would be a more apt metaphor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 07/31/2008

"As such, several observers wondered aloud to the Huffington Post whether the floating of Kaine's name was done as a smokescreen: an attempt to test the waters for a running mate that might not, in reality, be so high on the list."

God I hope so. This is not a good pick. What's double downing on change, so to speak, going to do about about the Commander in Cheif issue Obama has? Obama has the change message and those change voters regardless. Kaine is way too chummy with Obama, and it looks to much like he's rewarding someone for endorsing him early. Seems like typical politics to me. And I think a Kaine pick offends Hillary supporters more than a Sebelius pick. Young, inexperienced, and a pick basically rewarding an early edorsment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/31/2008
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yeah, I'm not even a Hi ll supporter and I find this insulting. K is far less qualified than any of the three ladies who have been most frequently mentioned. Why is K on the short-short list? O needs to have his guy-pal with him?? My gosh, someone needs to stop and really consider the seriousness and difficulty of the job he's applying for. This is troubling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 07/31/2008

When there is mention of a first term governor in Virginia, it should be noted that there is no such thing as a second term for a Virginia governor since we do not have second term governors. One shot, that's it - unless they run again at some later time. Hopefully, the next governor will also be a Democrat. Also note that in Virginia to be elected to statewide office, you cannot be too progressive. I do, however, think Bill Richardson is a better pick though that could be a problem as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 07/31/2008

Point noted about Virginia's 1 term law. But experience is what it is. Obama can't afford to pick a VP with so little of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/31/2008
- LisaJeanM I'm a Fan of LisaJeanM 5 fans permalink

Apparently K has accomplished relatively nothing in Virginia. So, we have two guys with virtually no accomplishments aspiring to the highest office in the world at the most difficult time in history?

I'm getting a stabbling pain in my chest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 07/31/2008
- gvidal I'm a Fan of gvidal 5 fans permalink

hey what Barack needs is another CHENEY!!! Hillary is that Cheney!!

Who better?

Hillary to help him govern......Bill on the Supreme Court will get him out of politics.

Now, that would be GREAT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/30/2008

It shouldn't be the first term Governor of VA for many reasons BUT the biggest is that the Lt. Govenor of VA is a Republican. Why hand them the state government for 2+ years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 07/30/2008
- flabingo I'm a Fan of flabingo 7 fans permalink

Instead of blogging I suggest you check the needs of the Obama local campaign. Go to his website and see where you can be helpful. You will be appreciated

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/30/2008
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I cannot but yawn over citizen Kaine. Biden has the credentials and would make up considerably for any deficit Obama may have in international requirements. A heck of a backup in event needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 07/30/2008
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I still say Obama/Biden... he was my pick from the start!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 07/30/2008

I am sorry but it seem Kaine is not Able

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 07/30/2008
- LisaJeanM I'm a Fan of LisaJeanM 5 fans permalink

2 funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 07/31/2008

Obama - Bloomberg '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 07/30/2008
- flabingo I'm a Fan of flabingo 7 fans permalink

Obama is often accused of being an elitist. How does a fellow graduate of Harvard deny it? It would be a dumb choice!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/30/2008
- TooLooze I'm a Fan of TooLooze 3 fans permalink
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I don't care who he chooses; whomever it is will be worthy. I just hope he picks someone that can debate, campaign and speak as well as Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 07/30/2008
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