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Obama Opposes Slavery Reparations

CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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thankulord13
Believing absurdities one will commit atrocities
09:32 PM on 08/04/2008
Part 2

White America has to stop the stupid analogies like pulling oneself up by the boot straps because one would have to have boots and straps to pull up and some in this country based on skin color (yes even today in 2008) are not given the same opportunities as others in this country based on skin color. The point of my missive is that White America has to stop trying to tell AA what they need to do but lead by example. In any situation the individual or group with the power has more responsibility and in this case that is White America. AA have fought wars on your behalf, slaves have built the buildings in our nation's capital which in turn have contributed to the economic power of this nation. What has America done for AA in return?
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thankulord13
Believing absurdities one will commit atrocities
09:29 PM on 08/04/2008
What amazes me about White America is that they are quick to point fingers may it be Hitler and the holocaust, China and Tibet, the atrocities in the Balkans, even Durfur but when ever the issues of Slavery and Jim Crow come up White America is quick to want to brush it right underneath the carpet and pretend like it never existed or the also quick comment of why don't they get over it because people from other nations come over here and made it. America and White America have a responsibility to the descendants of the African slave. The first step is to admit that there is a problem. Secondly you can't compare the AA coming to America to any other group of people immigrating to this country. Why? Because while most where coming here on the Mayflower the AA ancestors where coming her on the La Amistad (slave ship.) White America has systematically taken so much from the AA people. Their history, families, freedom and then under the guise of they are better off here then in some war torn African country. The issue at hand is not political or social stability of these countries but of the also the right of man to choose his (or her) on destiny. I am for reparations in the form of a free education up til post graduate studies.
03:10 PM on 08/04/2008
Reparations? No!
Part 1.0 of 2
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If we go down the road of reparations, at what point do we draw the line and say no more? Who has the moral right to decide which group of people should be granted, or which historical wrongs should be redressed, through reparations?
03:08 PM on 08/04/2008
Reparations? No!
Part 1.1 of 2
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Economic repression? Yes, slavery created economic repression for the slaves and for their descendants. But this is also true for the people who were deprived of the opportunity to earn a wage working at the jobs the slaves were forced to perform. The economic effects of slavery go far beyond those who were held in bondage. If economic repression is just grounds for reparations then we must hold the whole system of capitalism liable and all individuals who endured lives devoid of capital ought to be due the reparations.

As I understand it tort laws require a definable agent of liability, i.e. someone (not necessarily an individual) who is at fault and, some cases, also an illegality. So, while slavery is morally wrong, it was not illegal at the time of the infraction and no reparations based on torts where legality is in effect apply.

Furthermore, since slavery was a pre-existing condition, the government of the United States cannot be held wholly liable. If I purchase a house I assume liability for injuries caused due to negligence—but I do not become liable for any negligent injuries that occurred prior to my ownership. So, it would seem, the United States would not be liable for any slavery, or the results thereof, prior to September 17, 1787. Does this mean that the descendants of humans brought in bondage to this continent prior to 1787 are to be excluded from reparations?
04:18 PM on 08/04/2008
Moral law supersedes human law but its realization of precedence often lags due to the slow nature of humans to get a clue. You can rest easy Bertrand for reparations are unlikely. However, on another front, mass revolt is becoming increasingly likely. We may not see beyond Thunder Dome at the present rate.

A loving and just implementation of society is the call, not welfare, not reparations, not a handout, not anything that is more or less than nurturing, just, kind, loving, and fair.
05:20 PM on 08/04/2008
"A loving and just implementation of society..."

Indeed so. Well said.
03:01 PM on 08/04/2008
Reparations? No!
Part 2 of 2
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Suppose my great-grandfather had $100,000 and that he was on his way to invest this capital into a new industry, an industry that is today thriving. Suppose further that his friend and partner, John Doe, deprived my grandfather of this money and invested it himself. My great-grandfather dies destitute, leaving his progeny forever deprived of fruits of his lost capital. John Doe, on the other hand, dies wealthy and his offspring continue to live in luxury. Under tort law, am I able to demand that the current generation of the Doe family make reparation to me and my family? If so, then how many generations can we go back before the right to reparations becomes void?

The point is this: the applicability of tort law to question of reparations is, to the best of my limited understanding, anything but “well-established”.

Of equal import is the question of justice. Without launching into a philosophical diatribe permit me to suggest that we cannot redress the atrocities of history through reparations without introducing new injustices, some of which may be as egregious as the fault the reparations intended to redress.

Lastly, it is my firm belief that any reparations that one might contemplate as due as a result of the institution of slavery within the borders of the United States has been paid in full measure—and more—by the blood and treasure expended to rid our nation of that heinous institution during the Civil War.
01:45 PM on 08/04/2008
From reading some of the blogs there seem to be some AA's who would not take any monetary compensation that is good, because that will be less the Government would have to get off of. So this reparation thing might not be as bad as the Government thinks. The AA's who does not want to be compensated can make it know and be exempt. If Ronald Regan in 1988 through the Civil Liberties Act saw fit to compensate Japenese American survivors $ 20.000.00 for imprisionment during WW II for loss of liberies and property then I want mine. Being a decendant of AA slaves who's blood sweat and tears, humility, and death help build this country yes I think it's fair.
01:11 PM on 08/04/2008
September 1952 West Germany paid 450 million marks to the Jewish Congress for the Holocaust.
Civil Liberties Act of 1988 signed by Ronald Regan,US apoligized for Japanese American internment during WW II. Each survivor was awarded 20,000.00 for loss of property and liberties. For many years Native American tribes have received compensation for land ceded to the US by them in varies treaties. The act of Slavery and Jim Crow were just as wrong,reperation yes it can be done.
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steamboat
09:01 PM on 08/03/2008
Has anybody really really said what the reparations would be?..I'm serious, is it a check to individuals, is it in form of job training and education vouchers, what would it be?

And since we're a copy-cat society, it'll have a domino effect. Hey, Mexican-Americans will want there's. And rightfully so. Afterall, big bad America took what is now Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Colorado, and even as far as the southern parts of Oregon and Wyoming from Mexico. And kicked alot of the ancestors of today's Mexican-Americans off their land...So is everybody prepared to give them their rightful reparations? What about all you folks who are for reparations as far as African-Americans go? Ready to give your fellow citizens (Mexican-American) their rightful compensation.....You say we had nothing to do with it. Well guess what, neither did today's whites. Matter of fact, its said ONLY 4% of today's whites had ancestors who had anything to do with slavery....Personally, my great-grandparents didn't even come to America until around 1900. And I know the vast majority of Eastern European, Italian, and Scandinavian descendents have similar backgrounds. The Irish around 1850 due to the Potato Famine. So who pays?
10:31 PM on 08/03/2008
you're wrong: companies, industry, individual wealth were all created due to the economic advantages of wage-free (and forced) labor. The better analogy would be to the bank accounts of holocaust victims stolen by Nazis or Swiss banks.

The problem with all the current reparations talk, is that people are talking about the U.S.taxpayers footing the bill, which is incredibly wrong-headed and doomed to the political waste bin. The reparations are just, are totally justified under tort law, and need to be settled much like a class-action suit.

I don't know about the veracity of your 4% of whites statement, but I can tell you that there's a hell of a lot more wealth which survives than 4% of the wealth out there. That's wealth which was garnered with forced labor and it certainly put the forced laborers at a distinct economic disadvantage, since they were, essentially, getting robbed of the fruits of their labor... EVERY DAY... FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE... and FOR THE LIFE OF THEIR CHILDREN in many cases.

Much like the Holocaust victims' stolen money was tracked and, where possible, forcibly taken from the thieves who stole it and returned to the families of victims, the wealth needs to be traced and, to whatever extent possible, taken forcibly and returned to the families of victims.

is it the right thing to do? Just ask Bert Linder or others who are recovering stolen money and valuables from the Swiss banks and others.
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steamboat
10:51 PM on 08/03/2008
(1) You didn't even read my comment.....I was not taking a position, per se, on reparations. I only asked what form would reparation be in. (Read the 1st paragraph?)

(2) You did NOT answer my concern when Mexican-Americans ask for there reparations. You are AFRAID to answer that one....Hey, look at a map and see just much territory America TOOK from them? Look where Los Angeles and San Francisco is located? Look where the Grand Canyon is located? Look where the Los Alamos Science location is? Our NASA station? Our great and rich hotels and casino's of Las Vegas? Yes, where the Democratic Convention will be? .....They ALL happen to be located on land TAKEN from Mexico. Properties once owned by ancestors of many of our patriotic Mexican-American population. Well, answer the beginning of my 2nd part of my comment?
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
01:18 PM on 08/04/2008
Slavery built this country and the financed the industrial revolution here and in Britain. Your people came here to a place that appealed to them because it had already been built on the backs of other people. Your people reaped more benefits than these people who built this country without payment under penalty of death. To say that your ancestors did not enjoy these benefits is disingenuous. To deny what they did for this country makes them more than freeloaders, but hypocrites.
02:51 PM on 08/03/2008
look.
i am black, all well and good

apologies, yes.
remorse, yes.

but whats all this money madness about? please?!! its ridiculous.
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
01:26 PM on 08/03/2008
As a human being I apologize for all the world's atrocities. Why do I hear people, whom I do assume to be white, get so upset at this notion of apology. Even your ancestors who may not have been here during slavery have reaped the benefits of the invested slave money which fueled the industrial revolution which made America the great place that appealed to your ancestors. It is all connected. To say anything else is disingenuous.
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LarBear
02:35 PM on 08/03/2008
http://www.dur.ac.uk/4schools/Slavery2/Timeline.htm (Timeline Atlantic Slave Trade)
1444 First public sale African slaves takes place... Lagos, Portugal.
1510 First slaves arrive in Spanish colonies of South America, having traveled via Spain.
1776 Declaration of Independence (USA)
1807 Britain passes Abolition of Slave Trade Act... Outlaws British Atlantic slave trade.
1808 United States passes legislation banning slave trade.
U.S. Civil War 1861-1865
Dec 6, 1865 - Thirteenth Amendment to Constitution, passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, finally ratified. Slavery abolished.

http://www.anointedlinks.com/amazing_grace.html (Amazing Grace/ John Newton)
Amazing Grace is about Reparation (To repair)...

Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound)
That sav’d a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears reliev’d;
How precious did that grace appear,
The hour I first believ’d!

As long as people continue looking outside them self for reparations, I do NOT believe they will find that which they seek... John Newton was Captain of a Slave Ship... John Newton was behaving "wretchedly"... John figured out true FORGIVENESS is about For giving ones self love... Opening to Love's Light of Heart and Soul, chasing out darkness... That Love and Light continues to touch people even today...
The "Black" Community, IMHO, needs to repair themselves... Cast off blame and darkness... For giving ones self love knows NOT, Race, Color, or Ethnicity...
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
12:31 PM on 08/04/2008
I like your post and believe in what you're saying, but it does nothing to address the lack of education in this country, the destruction of the black family that slavery caused, etc. There are still people alive today who knew people who used to be slaves. You make it seem very long ago. I'm sure you would never address a holocaust victim this way. Black's position on this is very nuanced with many different opinions. I think that the capital that slaves produced for this country should be reinvested for all this country's people, to make sure that everybody has a level playing field, to not rely on the brain drain of other countries, to start educating our citizens, help families help their children do well by helping them spend more time together, exercise, and how well they eat. I do believe that people who have had slave ancestors should get some special benefits, for example, two years without having to pay taxes, special job training, not having to pay for the first four years of college and/or special loans. We were promised forty acres and a mule. Most blacks do not whine about it, but we do want it to be at least acknowledged and we do want change for the whole country.
01:05 PM on 08/03/2008
I'm black and don't agree with reparations either. There is no amount of money that will make of up for centuries of injustice. How can you put a price on lynchings, rapes, and beatings? Sen. Obama is right. Make up for it by helping blacks help themselves. Making a whole-hearted effort to close the educational gap will help.
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LarBear
09:41 PM on 08/03/2008
I am of English, Irish, Dutch, Welsh, French, German and Cherokee, Ethnic Ancestry... I am of 7 different Ethnic mixes... Likely I would get labeled as "White"...
I worked for Public Transit... We drivers pushed to get Women Drivers and Minorities... There were not a lot of people with black skin, for example, who lived in our area... WE pointed out women are statistically safer drivers then men... First we were told it's "to dangerous" for women to drive a Transit Bus in the evening... We answered, then is so for us males, too... We wanted more minorities, in that we thought that would be "healthy" for our Community...
I do NOT like Obama's Rhetoric versus his behavior... I do NOT trust him... FISA, where he voted to give himself the ( if elected) right to broad spectrum spy on American Citizens, was a defining moment for me... Obama, same as Bush!
Many of us have worked to make life better for other people, regardless of skin tones, or sexual nature... 4 years U S Navy taught me much... Narrow minded, manipulative, Obama supporters only show their ignorance labeling me Racist, Repuke, McCain supporter... I continue to believe women and minority employees are a positive health for our Community... Daily contact with Minorities brings comfortable with, as people... We "White" guys actively worked to bring change...
IMHO the ONUS is on the "Black" Community to "repair" itself, but all can help..
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
12:41 PM on 08/04/2008
If he didn't vote for FISA, they would have staged or let some terrorist attack happen and would have blamed it on Obama and the Democrats. Have you ever thought about that?
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
01:12 PM on 08/04/2008
Have you ever thought that this mendacious, corrupt government of ours would do if Obama and the Dems didn't vote for FISA? Don't you think that would be the perfect time to allow something to happen and then blame it on Barrack and the Dems?
10:34 PM on 08/03/2008
you don't have to be against helping people help themselves or better education in order to be for reparations. there's a whole lot of old-money wealth that was stolen from laborers. what do you call taking some of that wealth from those who stole it and returning it to those it was stolen from (as best you can)? I call it a good start.
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mouselion
12:52 PM on 08/03/2008
Off topic, but relevant: Why am I seeing double-posts all over HfP, like never before?
12:35 PM on 08/03/2008
Repair this Atrocity!
12:34 PM on 08/03/2008
Repair this Atrocity.
12:31 PM on 08/03/2008
A different kind of Reparations.