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MARYCLAIRE DALE | 08/ 6/08 07:42 AM | AP

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Gun-control activist Bryan Miller, the executive director of Ceasefire NJ, poses for a photo next to a picture of his brother, left, in his office in Philadelphia, Tuesday, Aug. 5, 2008. Miller said he feels betrayed by Mary Lou McFate, a gun-control activist who championed the cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two anti-violence groups but is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National Rifle Association. Miller's brother, an FBI agent, was shot to death in 1994. (AP Photo/Justin Maxon)

PHILADELPHIA — A gun-control activist who championed the cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two anti-violence groups is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National Rifle Association, and now those organizations are expelling her and sweeping their offices for bugs.

The suggestion that Mary Lou McFate was a double agent is contained in a deposition filed as part of a contract dispute involving a security firm. The muckraking magazine Mother Jones, in a story last week, was the first to report on McFate's alleged dual identity.

The NRA refused to comment to the magazine and did not respond to calls Tuesday from The Associated Press. Nor did McFate.

The 62-year-old former flight attendant and sex counselor from Sarasota, Fla., is not new to the world of informants.

She infiltrated an animal-rights group in the late 1980s at the request of U.S. Surgical, and befriended an activist who was later convicted in a pipe bomb attack against the medical-supply business, U.S. Surgical acknowledged in news reports at the time. U.S. Surgical had come under fire for using dogs for research and training.

McFate resurfaced in Pennsylvania and has since spent years as an unpaid board member of CeaseFirePA and an organization called States United to Prevent Gun Violence. She also twice pushed unsuccessfully to join the board of the nation's largest gun-control group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

"It raises some real concerns with the tactics of the NRA. If they've got one person, maybe they have more. If they've done this dirty trick, what else have they done?" said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, which planned to search its offices for listening devices and computer spyware.

The Brady Campaign and other groups said they are also researching whether McFate's alleged spying constituted a crime.

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"Under some circumstances, it could be trespass," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a former prosecutor. But "if they're open meetings, it may be underhanded and sneaky; it may not be illegal."

At States United, McFate served as federal legislation director, meeting with members of Congress on Capitol Hill and writing letters. Over the years, she also stuffed envelopes, attended rallies and took part in conference calls and strategy sessions.

In retrospect, Helmke said, he now realizes McFate stopped by the Washington office for meetings and conference calls that could have been handled by phone, and perhaps pushed too hard to join the board or lobby Congress.

But as for any secrets she might have been privy to, the gun-control groups said they have little to hide, since they put their message and information about their budgets on the Web.

The allegations against McFate stem from a lawsuit brought against officials with Beckett Brown International, a now-defunct security firm based in Maryland. A former beer distributor who bankrolled the firm accused them of defrauding him.

Boxes of documents filed in the dispute reveal that McFate worked as a subcontractor for Beckett Brown and that the firm's clients included the NRA. And they show that McFate billed the firm for unspecified intelligence-gathering services, submitting among other things a request for a $4,500-a-month retainer in 1999.

The documents also reveal that McFate _ that is her maiden name; her married name is Mary Lou Sapone _ tried to get daughter-in-law Montgomery Sapone hired by Beckett Brown. Montgomery Sapone worked as an intern at Brady Campaign headquarters in 2003, the gun-control group said.

John Dodd III, the Maryland beer distributor who bankrolled Beckett Brown, told the AP that he did not condone the infiltration of activist groups.

Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, said he feels betrayed by McFate. Miller's brother, an FBI agent, was shot to death in 1994.

"To have somebody that I consider a friend, have been with dozens of times, shared meals with, treated as a friend, to have her be an employee, a subcontracted spy for the NRA, is just mind-boggling. It's so venal," Miller said. "In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we're at a constant disadvantage because we're honest."

Timothy Ward, a former Beckett Brown principal who said in a sworn statement that McFate worked for the firm, declined comment Tuesday through a person who answered the phone at his new company, Chesapeake Strategies Group. The NRA now uses that firm for intelligence-gathering, another Chesapeake official said in a deposition.

The CeaseFirePA leadership plans a vote Friday on whether to expel McFate, a board member for seven years.

"I feel flattered that the NRA would feel that they would have to infiltrate Ceasefire of PA. Obviously, they're hearing our footsteps," said Phil Goldsmith, the group's president. "Frankly, I think it's a waste of their money. We don't deal in state secrets."

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Hi gang!

If anyone of the pro-civil rights crowd is spoiling for a bit of a fight, take a look at Sam Stein's HufPo column. Amazing how the anti-rights crowd forgeets about Ted Kennedy's bodyguard who tried to bring submachineguns into the Capitol Building and was arrested.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/15/mccain-adviser-arrested-o_n_119140.html

Michael

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/17/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

The antigun crowd also forgets that Ted Turner and Jane Fonda are gunowners, Dianne Feinstein had/has the ONLY CCW IN San Francisco and the same "comedienne" (Rosie O') that has stated on national televisiion that she wants law abiding citizen put in jail for owning guns has armed bodyguards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 08/18/2008

Somebody should ask Brian Miller if he drives his Volvo to Center City Philly every day, or if he commutes via public transportation, with people being beaten to death on SEPTA platforms and all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 08/08/2008

Oh so what. I don't see anyone writing any blogs when Bloomburg hires people to go out of state, with false identities and orders to lie on their background checks, in order to deceive, entrap, and ultimately close down law-abiding gun shops.

What goes around comes around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/08/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

It's funny. There are a half dozen anti-gun blogs right now on Huffpo, and not one anti-gun blogger has breathed a word about stiffer penalties for perpetrators of violent crimes, or even imposing the full penalties on the books already.

However, these same people are all too ready to whine about over-crowded prisons, when a violent offender is put away for a long time. Seems to me, if gun-control was doing any good, maybe the prisons wouldn't be so crowded.

You need a deterrent to control crime. Gun control, being soft on criminals, and disarming the law abiding are not working, obviously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 08/08/2008

Why shouldn't the NRA do some snooping. The gun control advocates have been spying for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 08/07/2008
- Melodyl I'm a Fan of Melodyl 2 fans permalink

Because that would be fair play

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 08/07/2008

The motto of the gun control advocates is: "I can do anything I want, lying, spying, etc. However, if a firearms advocate even forgets to dot an 'i" or cross a "t", they should be indicted and prosecuted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 08/09/2008
- Melodyl I'm a Fan of Melodyl 2 fans permalink

gun control advocates hate an even playing field.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 08/07/2008

As far as The Constitution Of The Unted States, it is all about WE THE PEOPLE. It does not state WE THE GOVERNMENT.

It is about an INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS and is there to protect those RIGHTS against government.

The Constitution does NOT give RIGHTS, it PROTECTS THEM. Especially from our government., but also from those people who think they are BETTER than others.

If you DO NOT like The Constitution Of The Untied States, there are other places to go.

Like any immigrant who wishes to LEGALLY become a United States Citizen, you MUST agree to The Constitution.

If you don't, GO HOME, or for those so called citizens who don't like it, MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/06/2008

Didn't Mayor Bloomberg do some serious infiltration with his minions in OTHER STATES?

And you are complaining about THIS?!

You all DO want the government to run your lives.

You are NOT AMERICANS. Please leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 08/06/2008

Some of the activity, of Bloomberg's toadies, was of a highly illegal nature, such as staging straw purchases, and falsification of Form 4473. One might conclude Bloomberg's lackeys were engaging in felonious activity.

It is highly suspect, that the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center were completely silent about this alleged criminal activity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/07/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

He broke the law by sending private citizens to make straw purchases in other states and sued gunshops using sympathetic judges. And the NRA is bad???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 08/11/2008

..

Offensive.

"...The muckraking magazine Mother Jones.."

Impartial, ain't it?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 08/06/2008

Hypocrisy Alert... I'm trying to remember all those indignant leftists complaining about the PETA (or whatever) folks who spied on animal farms, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 08/06/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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No hypocrisy here, lol, I believe that what they did was just as illegal. So what's your point? And for the record, this same lady was the very person who spied on those animal farms. Just was doing it for US Medical, not PETA. However, to her credit, she did help to nab an animal rights zealot who was going to pipe bomb a clinic somewhere.

If I said it once, I'll say it 1,000 more times. Extremists, no matter which side they are on, are just as bad as any extremist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 08/06/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 49 fans permalink
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You also 'believe" the NRA is a communist organization.

And, for the record, PETA DID send people into farms w/ hidden cameras. It wasn't her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 08/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

I sure don't remember liberal bloggers saying much about ELF torching HUMMERs a few years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 08/18/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 49 fans permalink
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Miller said. "In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we're at a constant disadvantage because we're honest."

That's to funny.

Images were obtained clandestinely by Dr. Gary Wintemute using a cell phone camera at gun shows. He did not inform any of the dealers or attendees that he was conducting research nor his history of prior anti-gun efforts. He used them in a report claiming that "straw purchases" were rampant in states outside California w/o any evidence besides his personal opinions of various transactions he 'observed'.

This study has been hyped by the Brady Campaign, LCAV, MAIG, and others. It was funded in part by the Joyce Foundation which is the same group that funds the VPC, FSA, and other anti-gun efforts.

Josh Sugarmann: The Mother Jones revelation of Mary McFate's soulless undercover mission

Paul Helmke: Whatever the case, it's clear that some over there have too much money and no moral compass.

Bryan Miller:The McFate operation, says Miller, "would confirm for me the way that the gun lobby works, which is no rules, no question of fairness or honesty. Anything that they can do they will do to protect the profits of the gun industry."

These are the statements of "gun control" executives on the recent discovery that one of their prominent members was a paid informant to the NRA. This is the double standard present in the "gun control" lobby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 08/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

I am not sure which is more ridiculous--Bryan Miller claiming the gunbanners are honest, or Paul Helmke claiming that the Brady Campaign is not a supporter of gun bans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/06/2008

Bahhh...the Brady Bunch and Paul are PERFECT INDIVIDUALS (of the Collective).

They can do no wrong. Just ask them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 08/06/2008

Both of those claims, "Bryan Miller claiming the gunbanners are honest, or Paul Helmke claiming that the Brady Campaign is not a supporter of gun bans.", are completely absurd and completely untrue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/07/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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So when will the US Govt investigate this?? After the elections to see if the Dems have enough seats for something?? The lack of action by our Govt is laughable at all levels, to allow this travesty, and all others the past 8 years, to go unpunished.

And when will communist organizations like the NRA be banned?? Oh, I forgot, they charge money for their membership, which means they are capitalists?? Har-har, funny how the commies can hide in plain sight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 08/06/2008
- molonlabe I'm a Fan of molonlabe 16 fans permalink

Daddy Gubberment! Daddy Gubberment! Please come save me from the evil NRA!!

Fan of Socialism are you? Obama '08, right?

Too funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 08/06/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 49 fans permalink
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A "communist organization'?

Did someone forget to take their meds today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 08/06/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Well, you got a better term for an organization that is trying to overturn our laws, rewrite our Constitution and trying to force their narrow-minded thinking upon the rest of the country???

If you do, I wanna hear it. Cause the Cosntitution says it's illegal, the same document that says it's my right to label them communists for carrying out communist methodology. At least the definition of communist as defined by the US Govt as a totalitarian system, and not to be confused with the same, but leaderless, Biblical system. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 08/06/2008

There was a recent article by Amitai Etizoni, a communitarian, arguing people did not have a right to keep and bear arms. Communitarianism is the same thing as Communism.

Therefore, the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center seem to be arguing the Communist line, not the NRA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 08/07/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

How about investigating Bloomberg first on the straw purchasers and the illegit lawsuits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 08/11/2008

This is all very psychologically interesting. The NRA types I have known are generally very paranoid about the government spying on them. It appears that their paranoia is actually projection. Query: Do they think that in the real world there are spies everywhere and that having spies working for you is a good and reasonable tactic? It sure looks that way. People seem to fear themselves more than anything else, they just don't know it. Do they fear terrorists because they can identify with them? Ramble. Ramble. Very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 08/06/2008
- Melodyl I'm a Fan of Melodyl 2 fans permalink

"are generally very paranoid"

Think you are talk about the Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 08/06/2008

BMBTHC:

Let's talk about being paranoid.

Is it paranoid to be concerned about the government prying into our privacy without reason? Is it paranoid to be concerned about the government spying on what we read at our local library without probable cause? Is it paranoid to be concerned about wiretaps that are not properly supervised by our court system, again without probable cause?

If you don't think so, then you probably agree with all of the PATRIOT Act and apprive of how our civil liberties have been trashed the last few years.

Michael

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 08/07/2008
- Kremfresch I'm a Fan of Kremfresch 7 fans permalink

Oh you simple minded hooples and your guns. So do you lay them out on the bed and jerk off over them? mmmmmm guns... ahhhhhh!!!!
You all should seriouosly consider therapy, or just go all the way and start hanging around airport bathrooms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/06/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

Today's comment brought to you by...

Did you think that up all on your own? I'm impressed, honest. This gun owner would like to know where you got that impression of gun owners, since he knows none that meet that description.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 08/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

his description also matches noone I know

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/08/2008
- molonlabe I'm a Fan of molonlabe 16 fans permalink

In case anyone was wondering why the gun control movement is a complete and utter failure in the United States, one only needs to look at the actual statistics which prove time and time again that gun control does not reduce violent crime.

Also, you can look at sheeple like KremFresch who are the "voice" of the anti-gun movement who provide such educated and factual dialogue such as the comment above, which REALLY contributes greatly to the 2nd Amnedment debate.

By all means, KremFresch, continue. Sheeple like yourself do more for the pro-gun side than the pro-gunners themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 08/06/2008
- Melodyl I'm a Fan of Melodyl 2 fans permalink

Please spare the rest of us your fantasies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 08/06/2008

It sure sounds like Kremfresch is having a 'Ted Haggard' episode, claiming others have his problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 08/07/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

While I adimit to a good case of hoplophilia, the only reason for them to be on my bed is while I am doing some combination of going to or coming back from the range (paciking or unpackig), I am cleaning them or some such administrative chore. As far as preferred company--give me an athletic 20year old with a major randy exhibitionist streak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/08/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

She sounds like a pro at infiltrating to me. My hat's off to her. I'd congratulate her if she were paid by and did the same for anti-gun lobbyist groups as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 08/06/2008

Fantastic job. Those orginizations who would attempt to destroy the constitution and it's ammendments need to be penetrated.

Note to anti-gunners. Repeal the 2nd ammendment, that's your only hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 08/06/2008

Idiot!

So its logical for the side that OWNS ALL THE GUNS to spy on the side that OWNS NONE? Startling logical there, almost as good as your spelling. Now, put down the gun and open a dictionary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 08/06/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

You're a funny guy. Google Josh Sugarmann, and the multiple gun control advocates who've had issues obeying gun laws (starting with one of the higher-ups in the Million Moms March).

But, as you were. Don't let the facts get in your way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/06/2008
- molonlabe I'm a Fan of molonlabe 16 fans permalink

Nice. An irrelevant point (still not sure what you were trying to say there) and an ad hominem attack all rolled into one.

Now put down the keyboard before your parents come home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 08/06/2008

banana:

Goggle Barbara Lipscomb or Barbara Graham (the same person). She was a Million Moms organizer.

Michael

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 08/06/2008
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Banana--gun control people have no problem wtih their friends owning guns (Feinstein had the only concealed carry permit in San Franciso when she was mayor and Willie Williams had one of very few in Los Angeles when he was chief of the LAPD--and they both had bodyguards). I can go on, but you get the point. Gun control advocates only have a problem with law abiding Americans having guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 08/06/2008
- muffinman2 I'm a Fan of muffinman2 3 fans permalink

All you people have are insults?

"So its logical for the side that OWNS ALL THE GUNS to spy on the side that OWNS NONE?"

Define "NONE". Many well known anti-rights activistst either have carry permits (and guns to go with them), or hire armed body-guards to follow them around; notables such as Sen. Dianne Feinstien, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Chuck Schuner, Sen. Ted Kennedy, Rosie O' Donnell, and Jesse Jackson, for example.

Josh Sugarmann (VPC Chairman) has a Federeral Firearms License so he can infiltrate firearms trade shows and, dare I say it, SPY on the gunnies, trying to dig up all that super secret dish that we're keeping from everyone. He also keeps a "research" stash of evil assault rifles at a private home (not his) in Arlington VA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 08/08/2008
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