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CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI | August 12, 2008 11:54 PM EST | AP

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A Georgian woman reacts beside her burning apartment building in the city of Gori, Georgia, Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008. Russia ordered a halt to military action in Georgia on Tuesday, after five days of air and land attacks sent Georgia's army into headlong retreat and left towns and military bases destroyed. More than 2,000 people were reported killed. (AP Photo/Bela Szandelszky)

TBILISI, Georgia — Declaring "the aggressor has been punished," the Kremlin ordered a halt Tuesday to Russia's devastating assault on Georgia _ five days of air and ground attacks that left homes in smoldering ruins and uprooted 100,000 people.

Both sides accepted the general outlines of a cease-fire plan, but Georgia complained hours after the Russian endorsement that bombs and shells were still falling.

Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili said Russia's aim all along was not to gain control of two disputed provinces but to "destroy" the smaller nation, a former Soviet state and current U.S. ally.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, speaking in Moscow, said Georgia had paid enough for its attack on South Ossetia, a separatist region along the Russian border with close ties to Russia.

"The aggressor has been punished and suffered very significant losses. Its military has been disorganized," Medvedev said.

Still, the president ordered his defense minister at a televised Kremlin meeting: "If there are any emerging hotbeds of resistance or any aggressive actions, you should take steps to destroy them."

Hours later, Saakashvili told reporters that he backed the cease-fire plan negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, which calls for both sides to move back to their positions before fighting erupted.

Saakashvili said that he accepted the "general principles" of the deal but said he saw no reason to sign it as it was only a "political document."

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Hundreds, perhaps thousands, were believed to have died since Georgia launched its crackdown on South Ossetia on Thursday, drawing the punishing response from its much larger northern neighbor.

There appeared to be signs fo Russian forces attacking Georgian targets within hours of Medvedev's televised order, if not after.

An Associated Press reporter saw 135 Russian military vehicles headed toward the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia.

Georgian officials said Russia was attacking their troops in the gorge, but a commander in Abkhazia said only local forces, not Russian ones, were involved in push the Georgians out of the region.

The commander, Maj. Gen. Anatoly Zaitsev, said the Russian-backed separatist forces in Abkhazia had driven Georgian troops out of the gorge, their last stronghold in the region, after days of air and artillery strikes.

Hours before Medvedev's order, Russian jets bombed the crossroads city of Gori, near South Ossetia. The post office and university there were burning, but the city was all but deserted after most remaining residents and Georgian soldiers fled.

Saakashvili, speaking to thousands at a square in the capital of Tbilisi, red and white Georgian flags fluttering in the crowd, said the Russian invasion was not about the two disputed provinces.

"They just don't want freedom, and that's why they want to stamp on Georgia and destroy it," he declared.

He was joined by the leaders of the former Soviet bloc states of Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Polish President Lech Kacyznski warned the crowd that Russia wanted a return to the past.

"Everyone knows the next one could be Ukraine, and then Poland. All of Europe should be here now," he said.

Russia accused Georgia of killing more than 2,000 people, mostly civilians, in the separatist province of South Ossetia. The claim couldn't be independently confirmed, but witnesses who fled the area over the weekend said hundreds had died.

The overall death toll was expected to rise because large areas of Georgia were still too dangerous for journalists to enter and see the true scope of the damage.

The first relief flight from the U.N. refugee agency arrived in Georgia as the number of people uprooted by the conflict neared 100,000. Thousands streamed into the capital.

Those left behind in devastated regions of Georgia cowered in rat-infested cellars or wandered nearly deserted cities.

In Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian provincial capital now under Russian control, the body of a Georgian soldier lay in the street along with debris as separatist fighters launched rockets at a Georgian plane soaring overhead.

A tour by AP journalists found the heaviest damage around the government center. Near the city center, pieces of tanks lay near a bomb crater. The turret of one tank was blown into the front of the printing school across the street. A severed foot lay on the sidewalk nearby. Several residential areas seemed to have little damage beyond shattered windows.

A poster hanging nearby showed Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the words "Say yes to peace and stability." Broken glass and other debris littered the ground.

Besides the dead, tens of thousands of terrified people have fled the fighting _ South Ossetians north to Russia, and Georgians east toward the capital of Tbilisi and west to the country's Black Sea coast.

Among those left behind was 70-year-old Vahktang Chkekvadze, a Georgian villager living in Ruisi who was picking away what was left of a window frame torn by an explosion.

"I always hide in the basement," he said, used to living in a conflict zone. "But this time the explosion came so abruptly, I don't remember what happened afterward."

Two men and a woman in the village, in undisputed Georgian territory just outside South Ossetia, were killed just half an hour before Medvedev went on television to announce the pause in fighting.

Russian officers accompanying journalists visiting Tskhinvali argued that the battle damage showed Georgian troops specifically targeted by Georgian troops. While the most widespread destruction was confined to the area around the government center, several residential areas seemed to have little damage, except for shattered windows, perhaps from bomb concussions.

Separatists in South Ossetia declared an overnight curfew Tuesday. Georgia said its people still in Tskhinvali were being shot at Tuesday night despite the truce, but the claim could not immediately be confirmed.

Amid the suggestions the military action was cooling down, the Russia-Georgia dispute reached the international courts, with the Georgian security council saying it had sued for ethnic cleansing. Earlier the Russians accused the Georgians of genocide.

The conflict _ and its Cold War echoes _ continued to play out on the international stage. The leaders of five former Soviet bloc states spoke out against Russian domination at a rally in Tbilisi.

"Our neighbor thinks it can fight us. We are telling it no," said Polish President Lech Kaczynski, who was joined by the leaders of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine at the rally. Kaczynski says Russia wanted a return to "old times.

The Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin told CNN his country is seeking details on what started the fighting.

"We do not want to believe that the United States has given a green light to this adventurous act," he said. "But our American colleagues are telling us that they're investigating now what may have happened in the channels of communication for Mr. Saakashvili to have behaved in such a reckless manner."

President Bush, one day earlier, had called the Russian invasion unacceptable, and on Tuesday the Russian president assailed the West for supporting Georgia. "International law doesn't envision double standards," Medvedev said.

U.S. officials were focused on confirming a cease-fire and attending to Georgia's urgent humanitarian needs.

"The Russians need to stop their military operations as they have apparently said that they will, but those military operations really do now need to stop because calm needs to be restored," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said.

A U.S. senior defense official in Washington said the U.S. has decided to dump a major NATO naval exercise with Russia that was scheduled to begin Friday.

Georgia, which is pushing for NATO membership, borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s. Both separatist provinces are backed by Russia, which appears open to absorbing them.

Medvedev said Georgia must allow the provinces to decide whether they want to remain part of Georgia.

"Ossetians and Abkhaz must respond to that question taking their history into account, including what happened in the past few days," Medvedev said grimly.

Medvedev said Russian peacekeepers would stay in both provinces, even as Saakashvili said his government will officially designate them as occupying forces.

In Tbilisi, U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza declined to say whether the U.S. would provide military support if Russia expands its assault.

Georgia sits on a strategic oil pipeline carrying Caspian crude to Western markets and bypassing Russia. The British oil company BP shut down one of three Georgian pipelines, saying it was a precaution.

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Associated Press writers Christopher Torchia reported from Zugdidi, Georgia, and near the Kodori Gorge. Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili reported from Tbilisi, Georgia. David Nowak in Gori, Georgia; Sergei Grits in Ruisi, Georgia; Douglas Birch in Vladikavkaz, Russia; Jim Heintz, Vladimir Isachenkov and Lynn Berry in Moscow; Pauline Jelinek and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

TBILISI, Georgia — Declaring "the aggressor has been punished," the Kremlin ordered a halt Tuesday to Russia's devastating assault on Georgia _ five days of air and ground attacks that left home...
TBILISI, Georgia — Declaring "the aggressor has been punished," the Kremlin ordered a halt Tuesday to Russia's devastating assault on Georgia _ five days of air and ground attacks that left home...
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I demand that Merriam-Websters changes the term " Russian roulette to: "Georgian Roulette."
In solidarity with Georgian freedom kebab fighters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/13/2008

It doesn't make sense to overplay the Russian might........ Georgia is a population of 5 million, Russsia 140 million.............. notice they are not so fast to take on the Ukraine, pop. 50M. We have been antagonists in this story, but the fact that we cannot back up the Georgian government we installed tells you how bad the republicans have handled our policies and international diplomacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/12/2008
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The USA took Iraq, with a population of 25 million with 150,000 troops - Your math is bunk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 08/12/2008

Disproportionate Retaliation? Only ONE thing to say about that: LEBANON! While the world pleaded to have Bush stop the Isreali's...Bush smirked and Condolleezza Rice smiled and turned her face away. SHAME!

Isreal kidnapped and falsely arrested hundreds of Palestinians - so four of their soldiers are kidnapped and they DESTROY A COUNTRY? 1300 civilians dead - that we know about. And it had to be our planning, because Isreal got their back sides whipped! It's called arrogance.

We're being Bushed again, with this 'terrible Russia' propoganda. Bush plans on putting MISSILES in Poland and in Georgia! (use Google) Right on Russia's border. Russia is not happy about it. GEORGIA went into this area first and harmed people - Russia came to the people's aid. And while they were at it, showed Bush's ignorant arrogance, just how UNpowerful he is.

The media and even our presidential nominees on both sides - are buying it. You would think, after all the lies, the Iraq WMD's and everything else and what it's cost us - we would all be a little more careful falling for the Bush propoganda.

Most of the world looks at us like a dear old friend who has some terrible affliction and brain damage, thrashing around, starting wars... at least a million innocents killed (collateral damage). And they all hope and pray for someone like Barack Obama, sensible, intelligent, compassionate, to heal their old friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 08/12/2008
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Boy, did YOU dial the wrong number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/12/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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Yes, Putin should tell Bush and Rice that what we're witnessing is the "birth pangs of a new Caucasus region."

Hypocrisy is distasteful, but impotent neocon hypocrisy is comical.

The final act of this comedy may come when the enraged Georgians hang their idiot president for creating this disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 08/14/2008

Ah, half of Ukrainian population are ethnic Russians. At least learn to google, if nothing else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 08/13/2008

I, for one, am heartened by the alleged cease fire in the Russia/Georgia conflict. Even though Russia is still bombing Georgia with no plans to leave. Hey, they carted the misses over there, this just saves on transit costs. I'm sure those tanks are just advancing to tell Georgian soldiers that there's a cease fire.

Rest assured, if things get worse, Condi has swore that she'll totally cancel her vacation and go over and mediate. She promises, till then, deputies will do.

http://digg.com/world_news/The_Georgian_conflict_is_over_that_s_just_thunder_you_hear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 08/12/2008
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

uit getting your news from Fox. Several EU leaders in the past few days were privately pleased the Russian invasion occurred, in the sense that it demonstrated why Georgia SHOULD NOT have been accepted to NATO, let alone Ukraine (where 20 percent of the population is Russian).

The EU, overall, is openly opposed to antagonizing Russia; it's countries like Poland, Estonia and the US that are vociferous supporters of enlarging NATO, despite what Russia may do. Honestly, America is really at fault. Notice how the Czechs began expressing private reservations against the missile defense on their soil when Putin said any such system would be obliterated - yet, America pushed on.

Georgia = No NATO membership ever.

Ukraine = No NATO membership ever

Turkey = No EU membership until Kurdish question is solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 08/12/2008

Bush said...

"Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century," Bush said in a televised statement."

What exactly did you do Bush when you invaded Iraq??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 08/12/2008
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Iraq's government was democratically elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/12/2008
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 253 fans permalink
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Given the events of Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, America's government was democratically elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

As democratic as Eygpt, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Kuwait, Dubai and etc...

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

AlwaysFairDem,

Bush invaded Iraq, which was a dictatorship stealing billions from the UN, while Hussein was offering rewards for dead Israelis and Americans.

Hussein was also committing genocide against the Kurds and murdering dissidents.

You don't have to agree with the war in Iraq, but everything isn't Bush's fault. Neither situation is black and white enough to draw comparisons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 08/12/2008
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I still don't see your point - Israelies and Americans were their enemies - The sanctions hurt the country badly and caused the death of many. The Kurds were trying to overthrow the Iraq govt with the blessing of the US (Just like Georgia) Hussein was putting down open revolt - The same as this govt would do if, say, Arizona decided to leave the union. The US took Iraq for it's 115 billion bbls of crude and 112 trillion cu ft on natural gas - That is pretty black and white -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

iraq was not stealing billion s from the U.N.. The oil for food deal evolved illegal payments to Iraq by private companies for oil... and bribery of U.N. officlas to allow the deals through... Some of those companies involved in the corruption were U.S. such as Bay Oil in Houston.

And if had been, dont know how, but then it would have been up to the U.N. the damaged party to decide on what action to take and they voted against authorizing our attack of Iraq, making the war illegal.

And the Saudi Royal family is not dictators who torture and behead and imprison disseters?

By the way in the Iraq/Iranian war, where we supported the iraqis, the Kurds supported the iranians... Confussing yes.. we supplied the Helicopters and chemical the Kurds were gassed with... Hmmmm

Regards


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

The rewards were payments to the suicide bombers, the same as the Saudis were doing! The same as several other Arab countries were doing.

And who was funding Iraq during the 80s... US.

Same Dictator and was our man...

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 08/12/2008
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Just another utter humiliation. Russia pacifies a whole Country in less than a week. All the people of Europe and the US get are empty words from all the politicos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 08/12/2008
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

A European country with a GDP the size of Iraq and a western trained military. By all accounts, fighting in the mountains and hills is not easy. I'm impressed with Russia's $50 billion military. Imagine what they'll be like after their $300 billion military modernization plan is complete.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/12/2008
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Maybe they base their procurement on the combat needs of the military instead of the bottom line of the defense contractors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

yes we spend now as much on our military as all other countries in the world combined and have 750 bases in foreign countries.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

TrollCryBabies,

Georgia is hardly pacified, and the US isn't humiliated. I'd like to see an explanation on how this is really an embarassmant to the US or Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/12/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 161 fans permalink

Putie has much on his plate. As does the right wing presidential candidate. Hopefully we are not on the cusp of the Age of Fright. This lunitic war freak, JM must be defeated this November. It'll most likely be a matter of life or non-survival for human kind. A president JM will make this georgia thing look like a tea party. Mc. is a virtual deathtrap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

mazdenn,

I fail to see the connection between McCain and the situation in Georgia. This Age of Fright you mention is a device of your own choosing, not a direction this country is headed under either presidential candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

You did not hear McWars statements then... he wants to be a War President just like Bush Jr... And if president he gets to finally out rank his Father and Grand Father...

Another mediocre son trying to out do his father... again.... remember he knows how to win wars and there will be other wars.. his statements!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 08/12/2008
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As long as our government and the CIA keep antagonizing the Russkies, there will be trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 08/12/2008

listening to the bbc last night...........the russian people are not prone to be lectured to by US....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

lex811

I fail to see the US lecturing the Russian people by telling Putin not to invade Georgia.
I also fail to believe the Russian people are thrilled with the dictarship Putin is setting up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 08/12/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

This is obviously and ILLEGAL WAR not sanctioned by the U.N. based on misleading intelligence to secure the oil pipeline. This clear act of aggression by an imperialistic, thug regime should be condemned in the strongest way by rational nations. Okay, I'm confused........right, it's Georgia and Russia, not U.S. and Iraq.....damn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/12/2008
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You're right.

You ARE confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

BlueStateman

Why should the US be the only bad guy. Russia is acting Imperialistic by invading a sovereign nation.

Regardless of how you feel about our past actions in Iraq. Russia is not acting out of any noble causes. Be fair to support any country fighting for its survival and not just those being tampered with by the US

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 08/12/2008
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Pootin is laughing at Cheeney's empty threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 08/12/2008
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Who could blame him? It is laughable how little influence we can exert. Bushco is a bunch of lightweights when it comes to diplomacy skills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

trollabwild,

What is your solution, aside from bashing your own government? You sound somewhat pleased by the fact that Russia has steamrolled a free country. You should be just as upset over that as you would be by the US invading Iraq if not more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 08/12/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 34 fans permalink

Unfortunately, the worst may be not behind us, but ahead of us, particularly, as seems likely, NATO admits militaristic Georgia.

Bush/Cheney still intend to press for Georgia's admission into the UN, despite the unnecessary provocation to Russia that would be, and despite the possibly grave implications of such an alliance in any future clashes in the Caucasus. The neoCON plan requires a revived "cold war" to complete the militarization of the US.

Obama promises no change, only more of the same Cold War revivalism:
"I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 08/12/2008
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

"Unfortunately, the worst may be not behind us, but ahead of us, particularly, as seems likely, NATO admits militaristic Georgia."

Quit getting your news from Fox. Several EU leaders in the past few days were privately pleased the Russian invasion occurred, in the sense that it demonstrated why Georgia SHOULD NOT have been accepted to NATO, let alone Ukraine (where 20 percent of the population is Russian).

The EU, overall, is openly opposed to antagonizing Russia; it's countries like Poland, Estonia and the US that are vociferous supporters of enlarging NATO, despite what Russia may do. Honestly, America is really at fault. Notice how the Czechs began expressing private reservations against the missile defense on their soil when Putin said any such system would be obliterated - yet, America pushed on.

Georgia = No NATO membership ever.

Ukraine = No NATO membership ever

Turkey = No EU membership until Kurdish question is solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

rwe2late

You are starting to see the that the Democratic Party and Republican Party are more the same than they are different.

Thanks for sharing your insight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 08/12/2008

For almost the past thirty years the US has squandered its assets economically and militarily. Behind every great power in history was a great economy. Now we make nothing and are in very serious debt. If we went to war, we couldn't make our own uniforms. Militarily we attacked either teeny island nations (Grenada) or developing (not by the time we're done with them) nations with little ability to defend themselves and declared ourselves masters of the universe. Now that we face a potential for great danger, we have little behind us. Our military is stretched beyond any further effective action. "Speak loudly, and carry a toothpick!" could be our current phrase of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

CeruleanBlue,

I agee with some of what you say, but the fact of the matter is we have plenty of military power available. Plenty of bombs and uniforms and troops.

You should try to get news from multiple sources so that you don't succumb to groupthink. Only having one side of the story doesn't keep you fully informed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 08/12/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

The top general in the Airforce testified in front of Congress recently that since 1990 we have gutted our MFG base so much that it can nolonger support our military!

Hmmmm... If we dont escalate to nukes.. we are weak on the ground.

It took a 3 million man army in WW2 when our population was half as much.. comparatively that would be a six million man army today.. of course that would use up our entire Federal Budget and then some...

The reality is that if we want to go up against larger nations, especially ones with Nukes.. we dont have the stick and cant afford it and if we could the Communist Chinese would have to make it for us and first loan us the money!

You have to win economically and we have been giving our economy away with our jobs for years.

Obama may sound bellicous.. he has to get the older crowds vote who like McCain remember a post WW2 America when we were truly first in all things and dont understand that the 1950s are no more in part to McCain and his Free Trade!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 08/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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oh, "Peacekeepers" - I see.

maybe Georgia hates Russia for their Freedoms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 08/12/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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That seems very unlikely

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 08/12/2008

This is clearly a result of tax cuts for the rich and global warming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 08/12/2008
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I just got off the phone will Rev's Graham and Hagee.

Apparently it's God's punishment for gays and not genuflecting to the flag 5 times daily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/12/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

emptinessoftruthiness,

I fail to see the humor or in making the gay correlation in a conflict that has nothing to do with US domestic policy.

We have our right wing nuts and our left wing nuts but at least we are free to make all sorts of our own decisions because we are free and we have a free press....

Besides, I don't think Russia has Gay Pride Parades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 08/12/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 636 fans permalink
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dear god in heaven.

get over the idea this has ANYTHING to do with da jooooooos.

it doesn't.

look at a map. and reread the ONE sentence that mentions the caspian sea pipeline. the baku region and the oil rich regions of russia are right there.

the chinese already made a play for the pipeline that we now have fourteen military bases neatly running parallel, all the way to a port city. so convenient for shipping oil. the chinese were a bit smoother though, and came waving eighteen billion dollars in cash for a controlling interest in unocal, the operator of the pipeline. in direct violation of american laws, MANY republican congressmen supported the sale, until enough other members of congress reminded them that such a sale was ILLEGAL.

religion is only an EXTREMELY peripheral issue to this whole disaster. it is NOT the motivation, and anyone who doesn't realize that, please repeat that phrase until it sinks in.

don't ever forget this is an extremely deadly game of chess, which is, after all, a WAR game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 08/12/2008
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Spoton about the oil. Follow the money! The Iraq war was not only for its mother lode of oil, but also to set up our military bases near the Caspian Sea mother lode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 08/12/2008
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Same with Afghanistan......

Do you REALLY think we went there for JUSTICE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/12/2008
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.... with OUR guy playing tic-tac-DOH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 08/12/2008

Honorary Huffpick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/12/2008
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