Bayh As Veep? Advantage: McCain

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First Posted: 08-13-08 12:25 PM   |   Updated: 09-13-08 05:12 AM

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The buzz on Indiana Senator Evan Bayh's shot at the vice-presidency has escalated this week, and the reaction in progressive circles has ranged from concern to alarm. It's not for nothing: worries range from the practical matter of losing a Senate seat in a tough state, to dissonance on pro-choice issues -- a matter that surely won't sit well with disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. But if there's a dealbreaker out there with Bayh, it's definitely the Iraq War.

Bayh, of course, benefits from hindsight, and he's not been slow to put it to use. Back in April of 2008, Bayh offered up a rigorous performance at the Petraeus/Crocker hearings, where he cautioned against "taking marching orders from Osama bin Laden," and deftly built the case for redirecting our attention to the Afghanistan/Pakistan theatre:

BAYH: The question of opportunity costs was raised and in the intelligence world, at least for the foreseeable future, they tell us that we are much more likely to be subject to a terrorist strike emanating from Afghanistan or possibly the tribal regions of Pakistan than we are Iraq. And yet we are currently spending five times as much in Iraq as we are in Afghanistan on a monthly basis. We have five times as many troops stationed in Iraq as we do in Afghanistan currently. How do we -- how do you square that, when the threat currently is greater in terms of a terrorist strike from one place and yet we're devoting five times of the amount of resources and troops to a different place. Some might look at it and argue that our resources are being misallocated.

Indeed: some might make that argument. And there's no question that Bayh's attention to that point in April of 2008 is nothing but good news. The problem is, back in October 2002, Bayh was a force for misallocation, a sticking point that comes early in Carl Hulse's August 12 profile on Bayh's veepstakes chances:

"There is reluctance in my heart, as I know there is in the other senators, to contemplate the use of force," Mr. Bayh said, adding that he concluded "we were simply left with no other credible alternative to protect the safety and well-being of the American people."

It's that sort of thing that probably earned Bayh this praise from the DLC's Al From:

"The antiwar people cannot define the Democratic Party," said Al From, a founder of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, of which Mr. Bayh was chairman for four years. "I think Evan's real strength is you get someone on the ticket who has a record of being strong on national security, and that is a very important quality to have."

Naturally, I disagree with the poundingly inane From. Where, exactly, is the harm in allowing the people who got it right on Iraq to define the Democratic party? To From, Bayh's half-hearted support of bellicosity implies "strength." That's like saying that the sprained neck that Washington Redskins quarterback Gus Frerotte earned after head-butting a wall proved that he was "strong on cement."

All quips aside, the larger problem with Bayh on the ticket is that whatever "strength" he has on the Iraq War will flow in the direction of John McCain. After all, the grudging consent noted above came at McCain's prompting. And, as Hulse points out: "Mr. Bayh in early 2003 joined Mr. McCain as an honorary co-chairman of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which made regime change in Iraq its central cause."

All of which leaves Bayh not just structurally out-of-step with Obama's stated positions on Iraq, it also effectively inoculates McCain from the "good judgment" argument that the Obama camp keeps using to contrast McCain's perceived experience. That's not to take away from the significant support that Bayh can lend Obama as the race heads for its conclusion, or preclude further examples of the sensibility Bayh showed back in April. But it's clear that Bayh's support will be better received if it comes from his Senate seat than it would from the Democratic ticket.

The buzz on Indiana Senator Evan Bayh's shot at the vice-presidency has escalated this week, and the reaction in progressive circles has ranged from concern to alarm. It's not for nothing: worries ra...
The buzz on Indiana Senator Evan Bayh's shot at the vice-presidency has escalated this week, and the reaction in progressive circles has ranged from concern to alarm. It's not for nothing: worries ra...
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- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 43 fans permalink
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Anybody but Bayh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 08/21/2008

I'm with you Jason...

I can handle Biden, Kaine, or even Kerry.

No to Bayh, and any other Clinton cronie (including Rendell, Clark, and Strickland).

No to Sebelius..­. interesting prospect, but I think in this day and age, a black man and a woman may a bit too much for some folks.

~bh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 08/15/2008
- badfluffy I'm a Fan of badfluffy 5 fans permalink

Bare minimum requirements for November:
I want a president who is smarter than my cat, and a veep who could clear a bar in a fight.
Obama/Clark '08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/14/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 73 fans permalink
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Clark's best--he works as a leader and as a great team player. Plus, he's one of the few (very few) Democrats who's shown an ability to stay on message (and not back down, even when thrown under the bus). Like him!

Biden is growing on me, but I worry about his ability to follow someone else's lead (he says he hasn't done it since his twenties--and doesn't seem eager to start now).

Kerry could work--and I'm liking him better than Bayh or Kaine.

But, demographics make me think "Bayh" or "Kaine". Of them, ..."Bayh".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 08/15/2008

Clark doesnt seem like the type to fight (despite his military background). He seems more the type who wouldn't want to get his suit dirty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 08/15/2008

I like Biden. He's clean and articulate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 08/14/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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I just don't know about Bayh. I don't think he brings more to the ticket than he takes away from it. He may deliver Indiana's 11 Electoral Votes, but he'll cost the Dems a much needed Senate seat. His association with Mark Penn will really rankle a lot of progressives. I despise Penn and his sleazy politics. I would be unhappy with Bayh. Would he be a deal breaker? I don't know. I'm already unhappy with Obama's FISA vote, his statements about not pursuing the Bush crimes and his general shift to the right. Bayh would be just one more negative for me and I feel like I'm personally getting to the tipping point. Bayh and Penn might just do it for me. I would never vote for McCain, but I just might vote the bottom of the ticket only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 08/14/2008
- DWP I'm a Fan of DWP 2 fans permalink

I would rather see someone other than Bayh. Hey, how about Biden? Sure he shoots from the hip at times, but most of it does make sense. He is exciting. He is a great speaker etc. There is also Rep. Joe Sestak from PA. Retired Admiral, PHD in economics, active in health care issues etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 08/14/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

So Mark Penn and his wife worked for Bayh's finance campaign? Does the 'Bayh for VP' have room for any more nails in that coffin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 08/14/2008

Biden or Hillary are his only real chances here. Kerry or Gore would be long shots. The public refuses to put up with another Bush/cheney ticket. You put Evan in there and you have Bush policies all over again. I say it again, Biden or Hillary. Biden as he is an honest guy whom the public loves and trusts, or Hillary whom would work for the average american family. ya really think Evan Bayh has the best interest for the American poor or middle class? Don't think so. You all knock Hillary and Biden, but let me ask you this, when was the last time you ever saw either of them try to screw the public? Never. They demand answers, have the most expirience, play fair and would be the countriy's best chance at pulling out of this recession. Neither are war mongers, both are great at diplomacy, they won't break the laws, spy on people, steal our civil rights. He has to choose one or the other, its his last shot at winning this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/14/2008
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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I think Biden is a great choice. His knowledge, expertise, and demeanor would be just what the Doctor ordered. Obama/Biden '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 08/14/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

If you don't want Bush policies, why would you want Hillary in there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/14/2008

Obamma should kiss his chances good bye if he chooses Bayh. Women won't vote for him, vetsrans won't vote for him, hispanics or blacks won't vote for him. This isn't in his best interest. The guy is a republican in dems clothing, he is another Joe Lieberman. Let's get real here. His track record isn't good. Whoeever is advising Obamma should be fired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 08/14/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 73 fans permalink
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Obama/Bayh vs. McCain / Pawlenty (or Ridge)?

And you think a majority of women, veterans, blacks and Hispanics are going to choose....­McSame????

Never happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/15/2008
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Never say never.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 08/15/2008
- yorkie I'm a Fan of yorkie 5 fans permalink

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO AFTER THE TICKET IS SET? THE MEDIA DRIVES ME CRAZY HOW IT REPEATS ENDLESS SPECULATION OVER AND OVER , IT NEVER GIVES OUTSIDERS A CHANCE. WHERE ARE OTHER WOMEN IN TH VEEP CHOICE LIKE SEN. BLANCHE LINCOLN OF ARKANSAS? WHERE IS BILL RICHARDSON?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 08/14/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

Denver will be more about Hillary than Obama or his VP pick.
The buyer's remorse palpable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/13/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Bahy's war vote does, indeed, make the choice highly laughable, given the left uproar.

I personally think he's fine. He'll be as fine as anyone.

It's a boring ticket to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/13/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

But O wouldn't have to worry about Bayh outshining him which seems to be a requirement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 08/13/2008
- truegreen I'm a Fan of truegreen 22 fans permalink

if i where the Obama campaign i would demand the clintons speeches be read and approved first. The convention is going to be all about Obama not Clinton and her tired supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 08/14/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

But she's bringing Cindy Shehan with her.
Nancy better have security when she goes to the bathroom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/14/2008
- mrmemory I'm a Fan of mrmemory 2 fans permalink

As someone who supported Biden before Clinton, I'd be really happy to see Obama pick him as VP. He can go toe to toe against anyone on any policy questions. He's a tough guy. He's not afraid to speak his mind. He's a fantastic speaker. He has a compelling life story. He connects with ordinary people. And he can really go after McCain and his VP in debates and speeches. He's somebody who actually knows what he's talking about. AND, although he voted for the Iraq War, he is someone who has really done the work to come up with a possible resolution there. I completely disagree with all these pundits and their "first rule is to do no harm." Blah, blah, blah. One way of doing harm is to be so completely BORING and UNINSPIRING as to make you want to eat rocks (Evan Bayh). We need a tough everyday Joe (haha) like Biden to go out there and bring the OH working class to Obama. BIDEN '08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 08/13/2008
- Citizen08 I'm a Fan of Citizen08 7 fans permalink

I heard KO indicate from sources it was: This Guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPev5sEdTjg&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 08/13/2008

God- it better be Biden-- Bayh is a pretty boy- and look where that got poor John Kerry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 08/14/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I personally love Biden but (1) he said he'd do it but doesn't really want to and (2) his mouth has kept him from doing well when he's tried several times to get the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 08/14/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

What about Reed? He wasn't very impressive in interviews post-trip, but I always thought he had the inside track and Dems liked him.

I wasn't impressed with the little I saw, but he's got military credentials and obviously Obama thinks highly of him.

Any thoughts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 08/13/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Is there any democrat that Obama would pick that would satisfy progressives seriously. They have a problem with Kaine when they thought it might be Kaine because it looks like its NOT going to be Kaine they dont say to themselves we thought it was Kaine and it doesnt seem to be no they go right ahead full speed giving why they object to Byah and Obama hasnt picked anyone yet and worse Byah does NOT fit in what Obama said he is looking for in a Veep but that doesnt stop them from speculating and then getting angry saying this will be a deal breaker yada yada.

Perhaps Obama should ask Progressives who do you want MY Veep to be. How foolish are you going to look when its not Byah not that it will stop them since they forgot how foolish they look when they got uspet that it might be Kaine but it turns out NOT to be him.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 08/13/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

No. The Dennis Kucinich Left won't be happy until he picks the most far left person, someone entirely unacceptable to the independents and moderates that Obama will need to beat Exxon John. But the DKL isn't about winning and governing; they're about complaining and self destructing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/14/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 261 fans permalink

This Kucinich Liberal would be happy with Clark, or a least no DLC rats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/14/2008
- Citizen08 I'm a Fan of Citizen08 7 fans permalink

Did you see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZboTEV-hQs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/13/2008
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