Georgia Sees Little Sign Of Russian Withdrawal

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MIKE ECKEL | August 18, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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Russian soldiers sit atop an armored vehicle in the outskirts of Gori, northwest of the capital Tbilisi, Georgia, Monday, Aug. 18, 2008. Gori sits on Georgia's only significant east-west road, meaning Russian occupation could effectively cut the country in half. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)

GORI, Georgia — Russia said Monday it had begun withdrawing from the conflict zone in Georgia, but it held fast to key positions and sent some of its troops in the opposite direction _ closer to the Georgian capital.

Russian troops and vehicles roamed freely around the strategically located central city of Gori, Russian forces appeared to blow up the runway at a military base in the western town of Senaki.

There were few signs Russia was following the terms of a cease-fire to end the short war, which has driven tensions between Russia and the West to some of their highest levels since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

In Paris, the French foreign minister said it appeared "we are witnessing the start" of a Russian withdrawal, but warned France would call an emergency meeting of the European Council to talk about consequences for Russia if that was not the case.

But U.S. defense and military officials said they had seen no significant movement yet of Russian troops withdrawing from Georgia.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, on her way to an emergency meeting of NATO foreign ministers, said Russia was playing a "very dangerous game and perhaps one the Russians want to reconsider."

She said the United States and its allies would not allow Russia to draw a "new line" through Europe and intimidate former Soviet republics and former satellite states.

The foreign ministers were set to meet Tuesday in Brussels, Belgium, to consider whether to go ahead with upcoming activities planned with Russia, from military exercises to diplomatic meetings.

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The European Union-brokered peace plan signed by both Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili calls for both sides to pull forces back to the positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 7. Medvedev had told French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Sunday that Russian troops would begin pulling back on Monday, but stopped short of promising they would return to Russia.

Russia sent its tanks and troops into Georgia after Georgia cracked down on the separatist, pro-Russian province of South Ossetia. Fighting has also flared in a second breakaway region, Abkhazia.

In Moscow, the deputy chief of the Russian general staff, Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, told a briefing that "today, according to the peace plan, the withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers and reinforcements has begun" and said forces were leaving Gori.

But Russian tanks and troops roamed freely around the city and made forays toward the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, 55 miles to the southeast. Russia also kept control of the critical highway that slices through Georgia's midsection.

AP reporters saw four Russian armored personnel carriers, each carrying about 15 men, rolling from Gori to Igoeti, a crossroads town even closer to Tbilisi, passing Georgian soldiers who sat by the roadside.

The Russians moved into Igoeti then turned off onto a side road. As the Russian vehicles rolled past a group of Georgian soldiers and policemen, one swerved and scraped a new Georgian police car. The Georgians looked down at their fingernails.

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing intelligence reports, said at least one Russian battalion equipped with more than a dozen SS-21 missile launchers had moved into South Ossetia, within range of Tbilisi. Nogovitsyn disputed the claim.

The RIA-Novosti news agency reported that the leader of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoity, asked Russia on Monday to establish a permanent base there.

Nogovitsyn said the Russian troops were pulling back to South Ossetia, but the boundaries of the Russian presence remained unclear. He said "troops should not be in the territory of Georgia," but it was unclear whether that excluded patrols.

Russian troops were restricting access to Gori, where shops were shut and people milled around on the central square.

"The city is a cold place now. People are fearful," said Nona Khizanishvili, 44, who fled Gori a week ago for an outlying village and returned Monday, trying to reach her son in Tbilisi.

Georgia's Rustavi-2 television showed footage of a Russian armored vehicle smashing through a group of Georgian police cars barricading the road to Gori on Monday. One of the cars was dragged along the street by the Russian armor. Georgian police stood by without even raising their guns as the Russian vehicle crushed through the roadblock.

In Senaki, a series of explosions were heard from the military base in the afternoon. Later, three separate blasts that appeared to destroy the airport runway shook the leaves on trees more than a mile away.

Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian forces had blown up the runway. There was no confirmation from Russian military officials.

Earlier, Russian troops had allowed displaced people to get to the base to retrieve their belongings. Cars emerged loaded with goods, including televisions and refrigerators.

A planned exchange of prisoners captured during the fighting fell through, with each sides blaming the other. It was not clear how many prisoners were to be exchanged. Georgian officials another attempt could take place Tuesday.

In Vladikavkaz, near the border with Georgia, Medvedev gave medals to 30 soldiers and servicemen involved in the conflict. He called them heroes and said they had fought "a cowardly aggression.

"I am sure that such a well conducted, effective peacemaking operation aimed at protecting our citizens and other people will be among the most glorious deeds of the Russian military," Medvedev said.

While Western leaders have called Russia's response disproportionate, Medvedev repeated Russian accusations of genocide.

"The world realized that even now there are political freaks who were ready to kill innocent people for the sake of political fashions and who compensated for their own stupidity by eliminating a whole nation," he said.

An Associated Press cameraman was slightly injured outside Gori after four men in camouflage, possibly from an Ossetian militia, pulled up in a car and told him to stop filming.

When the cameraman resisted, the driver produced a pistol and started shooting at the ground. The cameraman, who sustained light ricochet wounds to his legs, handed over the cassette.

The Pentagon said that up to five C-130 aircraft are expected to fly into Georgia Tuesday with supplies, and that three had landed Monday as part of the relief effort. In addition to food, medical aid, tents and bedding, the U.S. is sending forklifts to help unload and move the supplies.

The United Nations refugee agency said more than 158,000 people had been displaced by the conflict, most of them within Georgia.

"I think the Russians will pull out, but will damage Georgia strongly," said Givi Sikharulidze, who lives in Tbilisi. "Georgia will survive, but Russia has lost its credibility in the eyes of the world."

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Associated Press writers David Nowak, Jim Heintz, Steve Gutterman and Jill Lawless in Moscow, Matti Friedman in Gori, Georgia; Christopher Torchia and Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Georgia; Bela Szandelszky in Senaki, Georgia; Mansur Mirovalev in Vladikavkaz, Russia; and Lolita C. Baldor and Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.

GORI, Georgia — Russia said Monday it had begun withdrawing from the conflict zone in Georgia, but it held fast to key positions and sent some of its troops in the opposite direction _ closer to...
GORI, Georgia — Russia said Monday it had begun withdrawing from the conflict zone in Georgia, but it held fast to key positions and sent some of its troops in the opposite direction _ closer to...
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Although the USSR behaved as if it wanted world domination, it didn't send masses of soldiers anywhere they couldn't drive to. So today, a resurgent Russia will be the greatest threat to states right on the border. For now, however beastly the Russians behave, the US would do better by swallowing its pride and thinking long term. If we wish to have any voice in how Russia behaves we must: end our military over-involvement in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN, develop a reasonable defense perimeter for US interests (perhaps including Poland, but certainly not the Ukraine) and we must help the Europeans replace Russian gas. But right now, we are but a PAPER TIGER.

http://dailyrevolution.net/?page_id=1169

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 08/19/2008

The Russians are blatantly engaging in a barbaric effort to be bigger than they really are. Truly, if the US acted in the same way Russia was, we would have satellite states all over the world. However, that is not the case, despite whatever opposition would voice otherwise. But the fact of the matter is that if they are engaging in Cold War routes near Alasks with nuclear bombers.... who is the barbaric nation? If they are threatening Poland with a nuclear strike, who is the barbaric nation? Russia is a very, very sad state that wishes they were more powerful and influential than they really are. It is pretty pathetic that a nation like Iran has more influence over energy prices than Russia. And the sole reason Iran is influential is because of the volatility they share with the US. If there was no chance the US would attack Iran, then energy prices wouldn't fluctuate. There is no chance that Russia and the US would come into direct conflict. Neither nation is interested in ruling each other, and neither wants to deal with 70% of their population instantly dying. I find it... funny how these patriotic Russians want to play with the big boys, and they bring run down tanks and drunken soliders! Their fighting for is not even half as effective as the fighting forces of NATO. I'm sure there are those that would disagree, and I'm sure those people are living in a 1970 dreamworld.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/19/2008

My semi-ex-husband asked me to help spread these. He's back in Tbilisi, a producer at Rustavi 2 -- the country's top broadcasting company. They've started doing mini-documentaries about the Georgian refugees. These are non-profit shorts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfTHIVn9Tk

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=sKnVudDuIN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auGv9WcfSbk

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/18/2008
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After five years of an illegal occupation of Iraq, the US is now negotiating a withdrawal with the Iraqis. The Iraqis want them out now but the logistics of a complete troop withdrawal they say will take time.

Despite numerous UN resolutions the jews still illegally occupies Palestinian land. How much time do THEY need to vacate land the International Community/UN decrees is not theirs? Russia needs to take all the time necessary to withdraw and in the process haul Saakashvliis fat a$$ and that of his security advisers off to la Hague to await Bush and the other cronies of this murderous regime. All must be charged with genocide against the Iraqis and the S. Ossetians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 08/18/2008

I really shouldn't dignify this post with a response but....


You have proven that your understanding of the Georgia - Russia conflict could be considered infantile at best. Comparing the likes of the Iraq war with the situation in S. Ossetia is intellectually disingenuous on many levels. Furthermore, using terms like the 'Jews' the way you did is not only anti-semitic but it makes you look like a wacko.


Here is some advice: 1) go do some research on the events, 2) look at the information you are reading and analyze it critically and 3) make an argument that makes more sense than the conspiracy theory you put forth. Then maybe you can be taken more seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 08/19/2008

I am proud of the active role that Obama played in bringing about the cease-fire. I also wouldn't be surprised if Bill Clinton was helping out behind the scenes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 08/18/2008

am proud of the active role that Obama played in bringing about the cease-fire
WHAT active role?! He was on vacation. is this a spoof post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/19/2008
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But the Georgian President is planning, apparently, something big. Pravda reports:

"“An armed group consisting of Georgian and Ukrainian nationalists and Georgia-based Chechen terrorists is being urgently formed on the outskirts of Gori. They plan to make their way to Gori and wear Russian military informs to pillage and torment the local population,” an official of the Russian Defense Ministry said. He added that the information had been received through intelligence and radio intercept.

All the actions will be filmed on video tape and then presented to the world as “the proof of Russia’s military atrocities in Georgia.”

Russia ’s peacemaking headquarters informed the population of Gori of the imminent provocation.

“Russian peacemakers remain on their positions. None of them has entered Gori. We officially proclaim that the Georgian authorities will be wholly responsibly for the provocation in case it becomes impossible to avoid it,” a statement from the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Needless to say that Georgia’s Foreign Ministry rebutted the information.

"...In addition, a group of people wearing Russian military uniforms was spotted in the area of Zugdidi.

Zaur Alborov, an independent military observer told Utro.ru that a group of Ukrainian and Baltic mercenaries had been formed in Kutaisi.

“They were seen wearing the uniform of the Russian army and wielding Russian weapons. Several people carrying photo and video equipment were seen with them too,” the observer said.

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/18-08-2008/106135-provocation-0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/18/2008

Georgia's population is less than 6 million and its area is less than South Carolina. Its importance geopolitically is a result of the petroloum pipeline that crosses its land. Half of Georgia's 1500km border is shared with Russia and 20% of that is in dispute between the two countries.

This will soon be recognized as the first step in a multi-national expansion of Russia back into former USSR territory. The purpose is to dominate more and more of the petroleum sources and transportation avenues to its south. If the Russians decide it to their advantage they may proceed to incur the everlasting loyalty of the Kurds by reuniting the Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iraq and Iran into an extremely destabilizing client state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 08/18/2008
- Nicolaus I'm a Fan of Nicolaus 9 fans permalink

That is why Russia started the conflict... right?

I feel so moved by the hearing voices of the Cold War again. I thought they were pushing daisies... It turns out they were pushing weapons and membership of NATO and 'Rocket Shields' to start up another Cold War.

Not so fast... You blew it when you lied so much about Iraq. Get your puppy to get out of South Osettia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 08/18/2008

This is a comment based entirely on fear mongering. Do some deep breathing and relax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 08/19/2008
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