Wall Street pulls back as financials fall

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TIM PARADIS | August 18, 2008 11:16 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — Wall Street retreated Monday after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fell to their lowest levels in nearly 20 years on concerns that the government might need to bail out the mortgage financiers. Weakness in the overall financial sector sent the Dow Jones industrial average down more than 175 points.

Investors were again uneasy about the health of financial companies after media reports of further problems in the sector. Barron's said the U.S. Treasury might have to bail out government-chartered Fannie and Freddie, which, the weekly noted, would likely wipe out shareholders' equity in the companies.

Meanwhile, The Wall Street Journal, citing unidentified sources, reported that Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. might surprise Wall Street with weaker-than-expected third-quarter results.

The continuing bad news about financials wasn't a surprise, but it nonetheless depressed a market that is hoping for concrete signs that banks and brokerages can put the year-old credit crisis behind them and return to significant profit growth.

Even neutral news about the housing market couldn't ease Wall Street's mood. The National Association of Home Builders monthly index on the housing market remained flat at 16 in August. That met the expectations of economists surveyed by Thomson Financial/IFR. Benchmarks related to current sales and expectations of future sales improved, but not enough to move investors to buy.

Todd Leone, managing director of equity trading at Cowen & Co., said the worries about Fannie and Freddie dominated market sentiment in an otherwise light day.

"It'll be one of the slowest days of the year and I think it just kind of fed into itself," he said, referring to the effects of very light volume and the unease over the mortgage companies.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell 180.51, or 1.55 percent, to 11,479.39. The Dow had been down about 225 points at its lows of the session.

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Broader stock indicators also declined. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 19.60, or 1.51 percent, to 1,278.60, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 35.54, or 1.45 percent, to 2,416.98.

Last week, the Dow finished lower, but the S&P and the Nasdaq composite index ended higher, with financial sector problems again helping to bring stocks down.

Fannie Mae shares fell $1.76, or 22 percent, to $6.15, and Freddie Mac fell $1.46, or 25 percent, to $4.39, after the Barron's report.

Lehman shares fell $1.14, or 7.1 percent, to $15.03, after the Journal's report.

UnionBanCal Corp. was one of the exceptions in the financial sector. Japanese bank Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc. raised its bid to buy the rest of UnionBanCal, the California bank that it partially owns, to $73.50 a share in a deal worth $3.5 billion. UnionBanCal shares rose $7.69, or 12 percent, to $73.18.

Oil prices declined slightly after briefly jumping above $115 per barrel as Tropical Storm Fay approached Florida, but appeared unlikely to disrupt installations in the Gulf of Mexico. Light, sweet crude fell 90 cents to settle at $112.87 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after rising as high as $115.35.

Crude's retreat _ down more than $35 from its record high of $147.27 set July 11 _ has given the stock market a boost over the past month. But Wall Street has generally backtracked from its rallies amid continuing signs of problems among financial companies and also on unexpected signs of weakness in the economy.

Bonds rose modestly. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.82 percent from 3.84 percent late Friday.

On Monday, the dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices rose.

John Merrill, chief investment officer at Tanglewood Wealth Management, said investors are realizing that the financial sector troubles aren't likely to soon disappear.

"The degree and depth of what's happening in the financial industry is beyond anything we've seen in decades and it takes time to get your arms around the severity of what's happening and what the long-term and short-term ramifications are," he said.

In corporate news, Lowe's Cos. rose 4 cents to $24.54 after issuing a third-quarter forecast that came in below analysts' expectations, adding to investors' uneasiness about consumer spending and also about the housing market. The home improvement retailer, however, posted a smaller-than-expected decline in second-quarter profit, and raised its outlook for the year.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 11.40, or 1.51 percent, to 741.97.

Declining issues outnumbered advancers by about 3 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where consoliated volume came to a light 3.75 billion shares compared with 3.99 billion Friday. Light volume can exacerbate price movement.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average rose 1.12 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 slipped 0.08 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 0.20 percent, and France's CAC-40 lost 0.11 percent.

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(This version CORRECTS price Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc. raised its bid to buy the rest of UnionBanCal to $73.50 a share.)

NEW YORK — Wall Street retreated Monday after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fell to their lowest levels in nearly 20 years on concerns that the government might need to bail out the mortgage financ...
NEW YORK — Wall Street retreated Monday after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fell to their lowest levels in nearly 20 years on concerns that the government might need to bail out the mortgage financ...
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- getoffmedz I'm a Fan of getoffmedz 110 fans permalink
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Please notice that your Executive Branch intends to bail out the mortgage banking industry with a virtual "nationalization" for about the same amount of dollars it would take to give universal health care to everyone.

Do the math, y'all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 08/20/2008
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In January of this year, Russia had about $100 billion in Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Federal Home Loan debt. In the past eight months, that has been reduced by about 40 percent.

Yesterday, Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin at a press conference said Russia would continue buying these securities, but at a lower rate than in previous years.

With Russia's $600 billion foreign investment package, this would seem to be a good time to stay on friendly terms. How much money does the Republic of Georgia have to invest in the USA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 08/19/2008
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From China Daily:
As of June, China held $503.8 billion worth of US treasury bonds, $3 billion less than in May, according to a report released by the US Department of the Treasury. This is the first time since February that China has cut its holding in the US government finance department..
Moreover, the large depreciation of the US dollar in June might dash investors’ confidence and lead to a slash of dollar-denominated assets in the foreign reserves of many countries, he said.

The Bushes went to China for a reason, Olympics plus: http://www.chinationreport.com/bushputingates.html

From:
http://www.chinationreport.com/#EditorsChoice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 08/19/2008

It is approaching the time when we will have to consider closing our consumer markets to imports and starting over with renegotiated import deals. No more most favored nations or trade deals that are put on the books for political reasons. We can't just keep sending our incomes overseas and getting nothing for it. We are probably the largest consumer market in the world and we have to start using our leverage in this area for our benefit. Another thing is the false image of Wall Street. Why is it that they go up and down a little but remain high when everyone else in the country is on a decline? As long as we keep shipping our jobs and paychecks overseas we are headed for a major crash. Corporate lobbyists that keep pushing the current agenda have to be stopped. If you advocate for low import fees and tax shelters for American companies that took the jobs overseas, you are traitors to our country and we don't need you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 08/19/2008
- Woggles I'm a Fan of Woggles 7 fans permalink

Regardless of why the market drops, it will never be for the reasons given in these editorials.
All the financial papers are Monday morning quarterbacks selling aftershave, and plane tickets. The sooner you learn this the better. As Gordon Gecko said in Wall St., "if you're not inside, you're outside"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 08/18/2008

Gordon Gecko is Wall Street's role model.

If you like Gecko, you will also like Gondo. He is the Japanese version in the movie "A Taxing Woman". This movie will teach you a lot of nefarious business trickery and deception. Gondo is a smooth talker and manipulator... and loves his money. It is worth renting this Japanese classic with english subtitles from blockbuster or Netflix. The third best of all Japanese flicks behind Kurasawa's "Ran" and "Seven Samauri" .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/19/2008

Will China let us lock up all the oil in the Mid east? I doubt it. They saw what happened to Japan when we cut their oil off right before we got into WWII. Our economy is 67 percent consumer. That is about to take a perannual beating as purchsing power for US consumers drops due to recession/­depression­/inflation­/devaluing dollar. The dollar drop in value is inevitable due to huge trade imabalances with both China an the Oil exporters. China has $400 billion invested in US Fannie May securities and has threatened our government (Paulson) that we must make good on that debt and not allow a bankruptcy. This means the government will accelerate the creation of US money which will accelerate the decline of the dollar and decline of the value of the consumer based part of the economy. The US slide has begun but has a long way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/18/2008

China steel manufacturing is 4 times larger than the US. China is the world's largest manufacturer of electronics including computers. China's manufacturing base is as large if not larger than the US's. The US manufacturing base is shrinking a few percent per year while China's manufacturing base is increasing about 20 percent per year. China is rapidly working up the technology food chain and will soon import cars to the US. They already launch their own satellites and manufacture the electronics you are using to read this. China graduates 500,000 engineers per year and they have jobs for them. China engineers taught in our universities and trained for 10 years in our top technology corporations already are returning to China to help set up Chinese competing companies. When they return, they receive great respect and money goes much farther over there so they live very well. As our economy nose dives over the next 5 years, expect a flood of US taught and trained engineers to return to China. Engineers in the US have a bleak future as companies move their engineerring to China to save money and to keep the engineering where it needs to be ... next to manufacturing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 08/18/2008
- aBr1t I'm a Fan of aBr1t 13 fans permalink

yep and they sell that stuff to us!! but if the west goes belly up china will be the main loser not us in a funny way its very ironic. Im in no way or could be a ceo but that seems to me very logical india and the other rising nations just cant afford to impor the amount of crap the EU does and USA we... use to have the money but now china has it lol

I think our CEO just want to rape us and dont care very silly and shortsighted to say the least.

great post btw wTVgS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 08/18/2008
- elpollo I'm a Fan of elpollo 3 fans permalink

"if the west goes belly up china will be the main loser not us "

What a brilliant observation. Makes one envy all those dead fish - they're not the big losers after all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 08/20/2008

Our financial institutions are on life support. Money for R & D & Manufacturing advances is drying up in the US. Who would set up a factory here when they can put it in China where labor is almost free? CEOs take all the money and get golden parachutes and walk away from the bamkruptcy after pushing short term profits at the expens of long term viability. Our Congressmen set thmselves up as lobbyists for international corporations and even foreign governments. We are sold out and a dying breed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/18/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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We could have fixed the Sub Prime crisis without using one dime of Tax Payer money by simply pegging these mortgages at 3% above the Fed rate or even Prime rate...

Then the lenders would not have lost money and the vast majority of borrowers could have remained in their homes..

This would have also averted a housing crisis and the negative downward pressure on the Rental market which is already limited and also inflated...

These mortgages would not be allowed to go below 6.25% so the lenders would have made money not as much as they hoped under the outrageous 11-14% but still profit and not a loss, and also they would not have to borrow or gouge the America tax payer for billions in bail out money...!

All it would have taken is a sense of fairness and leadership to accomplish this...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 08/18/2008

Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are the large core of our whole financial infrastructure. If they go bankrupt, then kiss our whole economic system good bye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 08/18/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 265 fans permalink

The recent boost to Wall Street probably had more to do with money being moved out of oil in the first place. The same dynamic exists now in the market as did before the recent rally ... so we should expect the same ebb and flow movement downwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 08/18/2008
- aBr1t I'm a Fan of aBr1t 13 fans permalink

The west is facing a very real problem "to many rich greedy men" is the problem.. who want to move MY JOB AND URS to china so they can sell there crap back to us, the only logic i dont get is how can we go shoping IF WE DONT HAVE JOBS idiots...


The more greed they show watch the markets shrink its very simple. There are way way to many rich ppl with ALL the money.. just look at the silly amount of money a CEO gets to some cop who comes to you house to risk his life for u!! ye this lot will see u with home and just think OH WELL OFF TO CHINA WE GO

GREAT BRITAN PLC....

there is no such thing as a free market everything comes at a price

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 08/18/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Excellent point!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 08/19/2008
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