Veepstakes: What Happened To Sebelius?

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First Posted: 08-19-08 04:42 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-08 05:12 AM

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Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blind darts. But one thing can be tangibly gleaned: which potential candidate is receiving the preponderance of coverage.

A curious aspect of the recent VP go-around has been the relatively scant attention paid towards Kathleen Sebelius. The Kansas Governor once was seen as a frontrunner for the spot. She was the gubernatorial compliment to Obama's new generation, Washington outsider message. But while her close relationship to the presumptive Democratic nominee has always made Sebelius -- at the very least -- a viable option, confidence in that choice has waned. Compared to other candidates, Sebelius has not been subjected to intense speculation. (On Tuesday, for example, Bloomberg News delved deep into the lobbying ties of Evan Bayh's wife.)

What can tea leaf readers make of this? On the most direct level, the silence suggests nothing more than that Sebelius is highly disciplined and not prone to unnecessary chatter or drama.

"I would definitely say that she, to her credit, is somebody who doesn't leak, and I think that there is probably a good shared mindset with the Obama team on that front," said a Democratic official in Kansas. "I'm almost sure she is still in the running and I think it is to the credit of the Chicago team, because their mores aren't guided by beltway chatter."

Indeed, the source adds, Sebelius' low national profile could be attributed to a press corps that is more familiar and comfortable reporting on Washington figures like Joe Biden or Bayh. Another Kansas official told the Huffington Post that a major national political reporter was still trying to figure out whether Sebelius was considered a progressive or a centrist within her own state. (For the record, she is regarded primarily as a principled progressive who has built consensus rather than tacked towards the middle.)

And yet, conventional wisdom suggests the opposite. The absence of serious buzz around Sebelius seems, observers say, reflective of a vice presidential candidacy that never really left the ground and is now viewed as a poor choice in such a tight race.

"Her strength is mostly symbolic, as a blue governor in a red state," said Bird Loomis, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has advised Sebelius in the past. "A lot of it is her personal relationship with Obama. And I think if Obama was ahead by ten points right now he might choose Kathleen. But in a two-point race I don't see how you give up a major political card [like a more dynamic pick] to play."

If that's the case, it represents a somewhat paradoxical political development. Several months into the general election, the major battles being waged are over economic policy and the woman vote. Sebelius, a widely respected administrator and one of the nation's most prominent female figures would, on the surface, seem well equipped to charge into that breach.

But outside factors have been at play. Several sources, stating the obvious, argued bluntly that the press and possibly Obama have ruled out Sebelius strictly because of the backlash her nomination would engender among Hillary Clinton supporters. "There is one reason," said a source close to Clinton. "And that's: 'no woman but Hillary.'" Others have argued that Obama's primary need right now is someone with foreign policy gravitas or geographic symbolism.

"A lot of it is pretty sophisticated, good reporters look at this and say, 'I know she has been named, but honestly, what does she bring to the ticket?' said Loomis. "And once they look they don't find that much politically in terms of her helping Obama. She doesn't have the foreign policy or military expertise and she doesn't come from a key state."

In the end, all this could be a moot point. Obama is expected to make his selection in a matter of days and few beyond the most inner circle of his staff know who he'll choose. But should Sebelius get the nod it would, in a way, be a remarkable political feat -- a vice presidential selection process that was navigated with a relatively low amount of speculation and even less expectation.

Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
Speculation abounds these days as to whom, exactly, Barack Obama will choose as a vice presidential candidate. The secrecy that surrounds the process makes predictions the political equivalent of blin...
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- elan4444 I'm a Fan of elan4444 7 fans permalink

Sibelius is just lucky to be Gov. of Kansas. Many, even Republican women, feel that she took a big misstep in not supporting Hillary, who, in light of her speech tonight, would be so easily elected to the Presidency right now. I just can't buy the whole Obama thing, I don't think he has been tested, and with Russia rattling its cage again, we need someone who knows what to do. And Biden will be Vice-Pres., not Pres. There is a difference, not like the present set-up. Yes, I am a long-time Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/27/2008
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So Clinton, Bayh, Kaine are all out!
The press is covering Biden like crazy tonight.

WHERE IS SEBELIUS??
Where is she and what is she doing right now?

I still think it will Sebelius !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 08/23/2008
- slc20 I'm a Fan of slc20 4 fans permalink

Oh, i wish so much he would choose her!
Unfortunately, what i keep hearing is that she doesn't have enough foreign policy cred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 08/21/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

Doesn't need it, she will refocus this election back on to our own shores, with the economy, energy, enviroment, education, ealth care.

Let you're potential SecState/Defense be the foreign policy bulldog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 08/21/2008
- plages I'm a Fan of plages 17 fans permalink

Haven't you heard, its going to be Michelle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/21/2008

Earlier today wikipedia said that Kathleen Sebelius was confirmed as the VP choice due to this: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=1747 WHY ISN"T THE MEDIA WILDY SPECULATIONG ABOUT THIS? AHHHHHHHHHH hjdafsljkf­sioehfadfj­kl;fsafiso­afpa;kl

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 08/20/2008
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Obama has so many good one's to choose from that it won't be easy. I hope he isn't (meaning ruling out) chosing Sebelius because of the 'Clinton Crazies'. They think it would be a sign of disrespect. It would truly be a shame and a blemish on womens rights not to pick her because another woman would be offended it wasn't her. What is this, 'A Woman Scorned' stereotype? C'mon Hill, get over yourself and let a honest woman lead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 08/20/2008
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Oh Goodie. Two people with no experience trying to run the country. Just what we need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 08/20/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

Go do your homework kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/21/2008

well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 08/21/2008
- Keith52 I'm a Fan of Keith52 35 fans permalink
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Jeeeze can't we just wait until we hear it from Barack??? This is all just so bitchy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 217 fans permalink
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Politico is just now running this piece, for those of you who like Bayh...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12659.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 08/20/2008

Sebelius as VP is a great choice. The other VP choices have drawbacks: Clinton -- too much dirt in the closet, ran a nasty campaign against BO, cannot be trusted, Bayh -- voted for Iraq war, on pro-war committee with Liebermann and McCain, Biden -- voted for Iraq war, plaglarismcharges, political incorrect comments, Kaine -- anti-choice. Sebelius has been a thorn in Bush's side for several years, voted against the war, not a Washington insider, has empathy for others like Senator Obama. OBAMASEBELIUS rule!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 08/20/2008

yeah, a great choice, terrible thorn in bush's side. Smoke and mirrors folks. those might be her "for public consumption" positions, but again, to see how they are in lock step google "bilderberg group members". bush and sebelius are ideally connected, as many of our "leaders" are, at the hip. wake up folks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 08/20/2008
- kevinw I'm a Fan of kevinw 9 fans permalink

How did a Governor vote against the war. How is she a thorn in his side. She does have executive experience in being Governor, but that is it. She also seems to get along with Obama. If her speech as response to the State of the Union address had been any good she might have been considered a thorn I guess. If you like her fine, don't make crap up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 08/21/2008
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She is unknown and 2.5 months is not enough time to get her known

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 08/20/2008

EXACTLY, cheshire! I dont want to play 'getting to know you' again and that woman gave the most boring speech ever in the dem response to bushs SOTU address. Its got to be clinton or biden for any dem success.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/20/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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O wasn't well known either and he is now the Dem nominee...

Hillary isn't going to be VP, too much baggage for the GOP to lob at O and fully energize the GOP base behind Johnnie Mac...

Biden... too much ego to be VP...

Obama/Whomever 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 08/20/2008

If he wants a chance to win at this point his choice has to be Hillary. There's way too much more of the "arrogance" thing out there on Mr. Biden. If he were to choose Sebelius I am afraid a very large # of the Hillary supporters would walk out.

The problem would be then that everyone would be waiting for the Vice Presidential debates rather than the Presidential debates. I'm not sure that he wants to relinquish his position. Mr. Obama seems to be out of his comfort zone in a debate setting.

I want to see him pick Hillary. I think that would really energize both sides and we would have a very high turnout and engaged election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 08/20/2008
- ssb752 I'm a Fan of ssb752 5 fans permalink
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First, I'm a native Kansan who has known Gov. Sebelius and her husband's family for, well, forever. She is without a doubt a considerate, intelligent, thoughtful and an inherently kind person. This makes her unfit for national office. Having said that, I sincerely hope that she will run for Brownback's (our national embarrassment) seat in 2010. Please, Gov., please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 08/20/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

Back to school with ya.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 08/21/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd 16 fans permalink
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So, the biggest reason that this particular woman would not break the #2 top spot is becasue of other women who wanted nothing more than for a woman in the white house but despite the fact they probably have nothing against this woman would mount a feminist movement against her just becasue she isn't someone else who doesn't want the job anyway?

Is that even sane?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/20/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 15 fans permalink

Any more or less sane than those who think that HRC has fouled the nest for all women for near perpetuity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 217 fans permalink
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No, it isn't sane. It's blackmail. Someone do something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 08/20/2008

It may not be sane, but this is America after all. I believe you answered your question very well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 08/20/2008
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

There was no chance in hell Obama would pick any V.P. but a very White and very male candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 217 fans permalink
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Forget what happened to Sebelius, what happened to Obama's lead in the polls? Apparently, McCain is now five points ahead in a Reuters/Zogby poll:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080820/ts_nm/usa_poll_politics_dc

What now, fellow Obama supporters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- DennyCrane I'm a Fan of DennyCrane 20 fans permalink

Anyone who says that Obama can't pick a woman besides Hillary is sexist. If you disqualify someone for the job based on gender, that makes you sexist. The big irony is that it's women who supported Hillary that are guilty of sexism. They're the ones who insist that Obama can't pick Sebelius because she's a woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/20/2008
- Rockerbabe I'm a Fan of Rockerbabe 6 fans permalink

When I saw and heard Governor Sebelius's presentation rebuttal to the last State of the Union Message from Dubya, I was underwhelmed to say the least! Who is this person and what has she done? She definitely doesn't have 18+ million votes; what are her views on various topic, especially regarding women's rights, racial equality and fiscal responsibility? She is a very unknown and untested quantity. Why would I vote for such an unknown? Write in votes are allowed in all 50 states and Hilliary Clinton is my choice until someone a lot better comes along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 08/20/2008
- DennyCrane I'm a Fan of DennyCrane 20 fans permalink

All these people who dismiss Sebelius because of her SOTU response have short memories. Bill Clinton gave a god-awful speech at the 1988 convention. If he can learn to be a better speaker, so can Sebelius. Second, the 18 million who voted for Clinton did so in large part because they didn't like Obama. So how can you be sure they'll still vote for him just because Clinton is on the ticket? Lastly, if you're really interested in learning about Sebelius' views, look them up. She lines up pretty well with Obama, a lot more than Clinton does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/20/2008
- utd I'm a Fan of utd 16 fans permalink
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Little early for smoking the wacky tabacky isn't it? The reason you think she is an "unknown quantity" is because like most uneducated H!ll4ry supporters you think that somehow you are expected to vote for people but refuse to learn anything about them. The information is out there I assure you. She has been an amazing governor of Kansas, dare I say even more impressive by a long shot than Bill was when he took the top spot. If you want to write in HRC by all means do it, pretty sure we got over your threats a couple months ago. You have no juice. 18 Million people may have voted for her but as the primary drug on there was a lot of buyers remorse becasue of her behavior, it's a shame no one told you fine ladies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 08/20/2008
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