US, Poland OK missile defense base, riling Moscow

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VANESSA GERA and MONIKA SCISLOWSKA | August 20, 2008 06:09 PM EST | AP

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, left, and Poland's Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, right, shake hands after signing an agreement to place a U.S. missile defense base in northern Poland, at the prime minister's office in Warsaw, Poland, Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2008. The formal signing comes six days after the two countries agreed to a deal that will see 10 U.S. interceptor missiles placed just 115 miles (180 kilometers) from Russia's westernmost frontier. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a possible military response.

For many Poles _ whose country has been a staunch U.S. ally _ the accord represented what they believed would be a guarantee of safety for themselves in the face of a newly assertive Russia.

Negotiators sealed the deal last week against a backdrop of Russian military action in Georgia, a former Soviet republic turned U.S. ally, that has worried former Soviet satellites across eastern Europe. It prompted Moscow's sharpest rhetoric yet over the system, which it contends is aimed at Russia despite Washington's insistence the site is purely defensive.

After Wednesday's signing, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice dismissed any suggestion the 10 missile defense interceptors _ which Washington says are intended to defend Europe and the U.S. from the possible threat of long-distance missiles from Iran _ represent a threat to Russia.

"Missile defense, of course, is aimed at no one," Rice said. "It is in our defense that we do this."

She denounced an earlier threat from a Russian general to target NATO member Poland, possibly even with nuclear weapons, for accepting the facility.

Such comments "border on the bizarre, frankly," Rice told reporters in Warsaw. "The Russians are losing their credibility," she said, adding that Moscow would pay a price for its actions in Georgia, though she did not specify how.

"It's also the case that when you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

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Poland has been a staunch U.S. ally in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It sent combat troops into Iraq as part of the U.S.-led coalition and had 2,300 troops deployed there at its peak. That has been reduced to about 900, who will be pulled out in October. At the same time, Poland has been building up its military presence in Afghanistan, where it currently has some 1,600 troops.

Hours after the signing, Russia's Foreign Ministry warned that Moscow's response would go beyond diplomacy. The system to be based in Poland lacks "any target other than Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles," it said in a statement, contending the U.S. system "will be broadened and modernized."

"In this case Russia will be forced to react, and not only through diplomatic" channels, it said without elaborating.

Democratic Rep. Ellen Tauscher, who leads a key appropriations panel for missile defense, praised the deal. But she said that Democratic lawmakers intend to withhold funding for the interceptors planned for Poland until they are properly tested, a move that could delay the deployment for years.

The deal follows an earlier agreement to place the second component of the missile defense shield _ a radar tracking system _ in the neighboring Czech Republic, another formerly communist country now in NATO.

"We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told Rice after the signing.

Many Poles agreed. "After what happened in Georgia, I believe that this is good protection for us," said Kazimierz Dziuba, 49, a hospital worker in Warsaw.

The Georgian conflict "made the Americans agree to this deal sooner because the Russians are getting too bossy," Dziuba said.

Not all Poles were happy, however.

Alina Kesek, an 82-year-old retired office clerk who lived through World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union divided Poland between them, and then experienced four decades of Moscow-dominated communist rule, said the Patriot missiles were a "kind of provocation" toward Russia.

"This means a threat from the Russian side," said Kesek. "I am not very pleased with this deal."

Some residents in the northern Polish town of Redzikowo, where the missile defense facility will be located, fear it may expose them to retaliatory attacks or other dangers.

Along with the main deal, the two nations signed a so-called "declaration on strategic cooperation," which is to deepen their military and political partnership.

It includes a mutual commitment to come to each other's assistance immediately if one is under attack _ enhancing existing obligations both have as NATO members.

The declaration also was accompanied by a promise from the U.S. to help modernize Poland's armed forces and to place a battery of Patriot missiles there by 2012.

Rice said the deal "will help both the alliance and Poland and the United States respond to the coming threats."

Poland and the United States spent a year and a half in formal talks, which snagged in the final phase on Poland's demands for the Patriot missiles and other points.

However, the deepening U.S.-Polish friendship dominated Wednesday's proceedings.

"In troubled times the most important thing is to have friends," Rice said. "But it is more important to have friends who share your values and your aspirations and your dreams. And Poland and the United States are those kind of friends."

Approval for the missile defense sites is still needed from the Czech and Polish parliaments. No date has been set for lawmakers in Warsaw to vote, but the deal enjoys the support of the largest opposition party as well as of the government.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee, traveling with Rice, and Desmond Butler in Washington contributed to this report.

WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a ...
WARSAW, Poland — The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia _ a move followed swiftly by a new warning from Moscow of a ...
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Here is what I see coming from this. Practically every major nation is seeing America as a rouge state. Look at its behavior it runs around stirring up conflicts. Of course we dont hear this in the Amercian news but it was the US backed Georgians that attacked the Russians first. The Russians have even caught some American mercinaries with the Georgian troops. Also when the Georgians attacked they went from house to house killing women and children. What is to be expected of Russia for them to sit by while their people are attacked remember this section where it took place is still part of Russia having broken away from the Georgian state. So where is this leading us? To me I see this leading the US to the point were sooner or later the other nations will become sick of us and then we will be attacked

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 08/22/2008
- rodnacious I'm a Fan of rodnacious 5 fans permalink
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I think that you are right. Defensive missles in Polland??? What for... Iran is not a threat to Poland. Korea does not have the capability to send missles into Poland. So why are the missiles there?

They are there as a irritant to the Russians. They can be used as a defense from Russia missles into NATO countries. It is another in the continued faulty decisions that the Bush administration is perpetuating to justify the amount of defense spending.

Verify the companies involved with the sale and manufacture of these missiles and you will have found out why they are there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 08/24/2008
- lioness39 I'm a Fan of lioness39 47 fans permalink
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This sudden influx of crises doesn't smell right to me. Do I scent a GOP election scare coming on or am I just being paranoid? Was there any collusion on this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 08/21/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

No SH&^! McCain's foreign adviser is a lobbyist for Georgia!

Read what Wesley Clark has to say about the Georgia attack on Ossetia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/russian-forces-begin-pull_n_120594.html?show_comment_id=14882517#comment_14882517

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 08/23/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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The Poles have to have had the stupidest foreign policy of modern times.

Hitler offered them a piece of Russia if they'd join his invasion. Poland grabbed a piece of Czechoslovakia when Germany grabbed that (so much for Polish morality) but demurred on attacking the USSR.

Instead, they relied on Britain and France to stop Germany. The Brits actually encouraged Poland to fight on after the war started, and Warsaw was razed to the ground -- something that even Hitler wasn't interested in doing.

Then, after the tide turned, the Allies again stabbed the Polish resistance in the back, allowing the Germans to obliterate it as the Red Army stood over the Vistula, waiting.

Then, the West betrayed Poland again by allowing the Russian occupation.

So what's the response of the Poles? They AGAIN trust that the West will save them. The West is more than happy to let the Poles make these Quixotic gestures, but American tanks will never defend Poland, and the result of a US-Russian conflict in Europe will be the obliteration of much of the Polish population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 08/21/2008
- deminmo I'm a Fan of deminmo 16 fans permalink

Syria and Iran are going to be buds of Russia. Now Russia
is not happy that we and Poland are linking hands across
the waters to defend against a rising Russia threat. Russia
doesn't like the threats against Iran from Israel. The administration
in Washington is contemplating at least a partial naval blockade
of Iran.
Anyone besides me see where this is leading?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 08/21/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

Syria and Iran already have mutual protection agreement with Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 08/23/2008

Now that Putin has called Bush's bluff in Georgia, anyone who thinks Putin won't do the same in Poland is fooling themselves.

The chance to break up NATO is too great of a temptation for Putin to pass up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 08/21/2008

Can someone explain why nobody is talking about all of the short range and intermediate range missiles that Russia has in Kalinigrad which is between Poland and Lithuania?

http://russiatrek.org/map.shtml


Russia shouldn't be so offended by DEFENSIVE missiles in Poland if Russia did not already have intentions of shooting missiles into Europe in the first place. Also if Russia did nuke Poland, Russia could look forward to all of the nuclear fallout being blown back into Russia by Eastern Winds.

It appears the ONLY reason why the aggressive Soviet Union was dissolved by Russia in 1990 in the first place was because of the low price of oil in 1990 that hurt Russia's economy.

We must never forget that Russia is the huge size that it is as a result of its constant aggressive nature that has led it to steal land of other nations.

We must never forget that Russia up to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was the biggest COLLABORATOR and SUPPORTER of Nazi Germany until the Nazis turned on Russia. Russia supplied tons of grain and oil to Nazi Germany and even helped the Nazi Germans invade Poland by providing the Nazis with the "best way" to destroy Poland. This is shown in the movie "The Soviet Story". So Russia shouldn't complain about fighting the Nazi Germans when Russia helped supply and build Nazi Germany.

Nazis & Soviet Russians are GOOD BUDDIES

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=11401983

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 08/21/2008

Well if you look at the number of offensive wars that Russia fought VS the defensive ones, you will see that Russia is in fact relatively peaceful state, at least it holds water if you compare it to the US, which somehow i have a feeling that you do not regard as having a "constant aggressive nature"

Now if you throw a stone at Soviet Union for signing a non aggression treaty with Germany in 1939, for sake of decency you perhaps should mention the agreement signed with Germans by Chamberlain which had preceded the aforementioned so called Molotov Ribentrop pact by almost a year (that is 1938), and which had served as a clear signal of weakness of major European powers in the face of the growing German military might.

In other words, stop picking up on Russia when practically every other major power was and somewhat is equally culpable of the shortcomings of the world order, that of the past and present alike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 08/21/2008
- ailbhe I'm a Fan of ailbhe 12 fans permalink

Hitler considered the Slavs to be inferior peoples, just like the jews, gypsies, homosexuals etc... he wanted to exterminate them as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 08/21/2008

The Royal House of Hohenzollern and Her Royal Highness Crown Princess Margarita of Roumania and her husband Radu Duda, His Serene Highness no doubt are thrilled at what this means for their House.

No doubt, at Savarsin Castle in Roumania, this is quite the news item.

Manuel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 08/21/2008
- Andman0121 I'm a Fan of Andman0121 22 fans permalink

For the love of God please remove these missiles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 08/21/2008

Proactive antagonism is the way neocons make their cash, and as they will tell you "cash is king".
The only hope would be for Obama, but as we've seen lately even HE falls for their "you aren't patriotic if you aren't aggressive" trap. So i really don't know what to expect here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 08/21/2008
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Question: How insane is it for the Bush administration to place this 'missile defense system' 115 miles from the Russian border?

Answer: Not insane at all - from Bush's perspective - when you consider just how many billions Bush and his friends make from the act of destabilization: Including the run up to the event, the event itself, and the post-event reconstruction.

Heady days indeed for disaster capitalists...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/20/2008
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This seems like a rhetorical question- Is there anyway we can find out how much money Bush and Cheney gained in their 'blind' trusts? Now or after the election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 08/30/2008
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Never mind, this new 'let's do something to help John' strategy will not work
This is 2008, not 1988

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 08/20/2008

If anyone is interested, I found the following article very informative on how America is viewed in this situation, by both sides: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0820mt.html

Quote:

“I am very thankful to the West,” Maya said as her eyes welled up with tears. “They support us so much. We thought we were alone. I am so thankful for the support we have from the United States and from the West….The West saved the capital. They were moving to Tbilisi.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 08/20/2008

I think this quote you have presented reflects a sheer paranoia on behalf of Georgians, which may only appear reasonable to someone who doesn't know how the wars are actually fought!

if Russians were in fact intending to take over Tbilisi they would have been there already on August the 9th, and even if not so quick, they would have at least targeted it, which we all know had never happened in reality.

But i can clearly understand their frustration: first their crazy president invades and carpet bombs a small neighbor to the north without any necessity for doing so, then the next thing you know the bigger neighbor from the north comes pounding their forces back out of there along the way messing up the infrastructure and disrupting communications... not to mention the high volume of refugees... It is a sad day for Georgia, but it is mr Saakashvili to blame for it, as it was his decision to unleash hell on his own people. Russians did not choose this war despite what the neocon Western media would want everyone to believe. We can also thank G.Bush for his staunch militaristic support of the Caucasus' mad man mr.Saakashvili, as i'm sure everything that happened worked hand in hand with his plans for this year!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 08/21/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 105 fans permalink

brillant absolute brillant

create another cold war with russia

and start it two months before elections

give t he repubs credit they know how to win elections

americans will vote for defense ie the repubs

obama never had a prayer

will follow in the foot steps of gore and kerry and just bitch about repubs being unfair

spineless is as spineless does

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 08/20/2008
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These Patriot missiles are no real threat to the deterrence of the Russian missiles. All they can do is stop a few missiles on rather predictable trajectories, so they have only a possible psychological effect - the belief that they might be more than advertised, and this might embolden the uprisings that have arisen since its seems to demonstrate a resolve on the part of the US. Actually, though, this is merely symbolic, which is the power of money in these situations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/20/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 33 fans permalink

Perhaps Cuba will permit Russia to place a missile defense base on it's island. It is of course a defense to protect themselves against a hostile attack by the US. That would be the best retaliation, not an attack on Poland but then I'm not a military person so maybe Russia is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 08/20/2008
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 103 fans permalink
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I guess you are under age 50. Google Cuban missile crisis and find out what you missed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/23/2008
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