Dowd: McCain "Cheapening" POW Experience

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First Posted: 08-24-08 11:50 AM   |   Updated: 09-24-08 05:12 AM

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NY Times:

My mom did not approve of men who cheated on their wives. She called them "long-tailed rats."

During the 2000 race, she listened to news reports about John McCain confessing to dalliances that caused his first marriage to fall apart after he came back from his stint as a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

I figured, given her stringent moral standards, that her great affection for McCain would be dimmed.

"So," I asked her, "what do you think of that?"

"A man who lives in a box for five years can do whatever he wants," she replied matter-of-factly.

I was startled, but it brought home to me what a powerful get-out-of-jail-free card McCain had earned by not getting out of jail free. ...

So it's hard to believe that John McCain is now in danger of exceeding his credit limit on the equivalent of an American Express black card. His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength -- and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he's reticent to talk about his P.O.W. experience -- by flashing the P.O.W. card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated. The captivity is already amply displayed in posters and TV advertisements.

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My mom did not approve of men who cheated on their wives. She called them "long-tailed rats." During the 2000 race, she listened to news reports about John McCain confessing to dalliances that caused...
My mom did not approve of men who cheated on their wives. She called them "long-tailed rats." During the 2000 race, she listened to news reports about John McCain confessing to dalliances that caused...
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- pcplz I'm a Fan of pcplz 7 fans permalink
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By the definition of torture voted on by McCain himself...........he wasn't tortured during his confinement...just intensively interrogated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/25/2008

I think in praising McCain's war prisoner record, which on its own does not qualify a guy whose class rank was 894 out of 899 when he graduated war college at Annapolis to be President, it is important to note that in addition to his courage, he also made many propaganda films for the Vietnamese. Many P.O.W.s did not make propaganda films for the Vietnamese.

McCain was more in league with Bill Ayers than Obama was, as Obama was just a little kid at the time, somewhere between 8 and 12 years old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 08/25/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 27 fans permalink

Even the other POWs who were with McC do not want him to be Prez; that should say it all plus the fact that 40 years ago has no relevancy on today being the leader of the US.
It's the economy, stupid! You don't get points to break all the rules because of what happened 40 years ago. The last thing we need in office is another macho warmonger. Enough already. Go Maureen!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 08/25/2008

Dowd is absolutely on target. Being imprisoned and tortured does not constitute qualification for the Presidency. Perhaps Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, of 9/11 fame, should be the Emir of Kuwait (his country of birth), given his imprisonment and torture at the hands of the Bush Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 08/25/2008
- TroubleNYC I'm a Fan of TroubleNYC 9 fans permalink
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Noun, verb, POW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/25/2008
- rcpmac I'm a Fan of rcpmac 6 fans permalink

Speaking of plagiarism ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 08/25/2008

I'm sure that Mrs. Dowd's parish priest told her that adultery is not a mortal sin if you were a POW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 08/25/2008

Thank you for Stating that.

Being a POW however courageous it is, is not the same as being qualified to be president...i.e. make good decisions for Americans. Being POW does not = immune to criticizm or = immunity to Morals and values, and lack of integrity. Being a POW does not guarentee good character or wisdom. Being a POW does not make it ok, to tell people you are running for President 'because its the final prize" back in 2000, as opposed to running for any noble purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 08/25/2008

Hey Maureen,
when can we get together. I love M I L F s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 08/25/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 87 fans permalink
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Who cares what Tallulah Bankhead thinks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 08/25/2008
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Ms. Dowd is one of the few remaining decent things about the N Y T.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 08/25/2008
- Aabby I'm a Fan of Aabby 30 fans permalink
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YUP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 08/25/2008
- gtt I'm a Fan of gtt 18 fans permalink

Exactly right !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 08/25/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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How come he never mentions the confession he was forced to sign in which he admits to being a war criminal? While I realize that he was probably beaten into the situation, still, if he wants to glorify any part of it for his political gain, then let's bring out ALL of the dirt on the subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 AM on 08/25/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Why does no one ever ask about the enduring psychological effects? Is McCain's legendary temper a result of internalized anger from that experience? Is his obsession with military victiory in Iraq reflective of a need to re-fight Vietnam and win? Shouldn't there be some discussion of these issues before McCain is given the command of our military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 08/25/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Excellent comments that I agree with. I'm sure there is quite alot of angst going on in McCain's head. And probably explains his hardcore obsession to go against anyone who he thinks is a repeat of the 60's protesters (who i'm sure he blames for what happened to him, and for the stigma of a seeming loss in that war). So by coming out against the Iraq War, he probably thinks it's another 60's movement.

I can understand if he does have angst. Hell, I probably didn't go through 1/10th of what McCain did. I was never a POW. But what little I did go through, I have ALOT of angst and what I consider "unfinished business" myself. Difference between me and him is, is that I'm not trying to hold the innocent people accountable like he is. I realize that it wasn't the "hippies" or protestors, or those 4 innocent souls at Kent State, who were in any way a problem. The problem was then, and is now, THE GOVERNMENT. I saw that first hand while I was in the military, and later as a civil servant. We, the people, are not the problem, as McCain believe. We are the solution, and now that he's in government, defending the very government who put him in his POW position, he is horrified of it as much as he is of being considered doing something wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/25/2008

I agree that experts should be looking into possible psychological effects from his POW experience. He constantly keeps referring to that experience, which suggests to me that this is not normal behavior. Why are his medical records not available?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 08/25/2008

Is beating the same as torture? Was signing the paper treason? Is breaking the law a crime?What else can POW's do. Was this a Hogan's Heroes type of deal no one wanted to leave?. HQ 5th Marines, Da Nang 1964/65.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 08/25/2008

The "get-out-of-jail-free card" McCain has also means he never has to wear a flag pin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 08/25/2008

Multiple Choice test:

In the case of John McCain POW means:
Prisioner of:
a. War
b. Wealth
c. W ( Dubya)
d. Wife
e. All of the above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 08/25/2008
- Wirehedd I'm a Fan of Wirehedd 3 fans permalink
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I'll choose E

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 08/25/2008
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"Dancing Queen" by ABBA? Grounds for disqualification alone!
That highly disturbing song has such a sugary sweet, empty, worthless, shallow message, oh wait, that is the GOP message.
But I beg you all to hear the true hidden message....The fact that it was manufactured by those socialist loving borderline communists the Swedes is even more telling. What is McDinosaur's real agenda? Is he a true American or a brainwashed Taliban operative? CIA field workers have documented the Taliban listening to Dancing Queen when they do their drag shows.
Perhaps a more serious question: What is Mitt's favorite song? "Lola" by Barry Manilow? Same vintage, same subversive message. What about Rudi? "The Candyman" Sammy Davis Jr.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 08/25/2008
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